• A call for an independent inquiry into the origin of theSARS-CoV-2 viru

    From Nick@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 1 16:16:12 2022
    A call for an independent inquiry into the origin of theSARS-CoV-2 virus

    Neil L. Harrison and Jeffrey D. Sachs

    Since the identification of theSARS-CoV-2 in Wuhan, China, in January 2020 (1), the origin of the virus has been a topic of intense scientific debate
    and public speculation. The two main hypotheses are that the virus emerged
    from human exposure to an infected animal [“zoonosis” (2)] or that it emerged in a research-related incident (3). The investigation into the
    originof the virus has been made difficult by the lack of key evidence from the earliest days of the outbreak—there’s no doubt that greater transparency on the part of Chinese authorities would be enormously
    helpful. Nevertheless, we argue here that there is much important
    information that can be gleaned from US-based research institutions, information not yet made available for independent, transparent, and scientific scrutiny.

    The data available within the United States would explicitly include, but
    are not limited to, viral sequences gathered and held as part of the
    PREDICT project and other funded programs, as well as sequencing data and laboratory notebooks from US laboratories. We call on US government
    scientific agencies, most notably the NIH, to support a full, independent,
    and transparent investigation of the origins of SARS-CoV-2. This should
    take place, for example, within a tightly focused science-based bipartisan Congressional inquiry with full investigative powers, which would be able
    to ask important questions—but avoid misguided witch-hunts governed more
    by politics than by science.



    This lack of an independent and transparent US-based scientific
    investigation has had four highly adverse consequences. First, public
    trust in the ability of US scientific institutions to govern the activities
    of US science in a responsible manner has been shaken. Second, the investigation of the origin of SARS-CoV-2 has become politicized within
    the US Congress (5); as a result, the inception of an independent and transparent investigation has been obstructed and delayed. Third, US researchers with deep knowledge of the possibilities of a laboratory- associated incident have not been enabled to share their expertise
    effectively. Fourth, the failure of NIH, one of the main funders of the US–China collaborative work, to facilitate the investigation into the
    origins of SARS-CoV-2 (4) has fostered distrust regarding US biodefense research activities.



    Participating US institutions include the EHA, the University of North
    Carolina (UNC), the University of California at Davis (UCD), the NIH, and
    the USAID. Under a series of NIH grants and USAID contracts, EHA
    coordinated the collection of SARS-like bat CoVs from the field in
    southwest China and southeast Asia, the sequencing of these viruses,
    the archiving of these sequences (involving UCD), and the analysis and manipulation of these viruses (notably at UNC). A broad spectrum of
    coronavirus research work was done not only in Wuhan (including groups at
    Wuhan University and the Wuhan CDC, as well as WIV) but also in the
    United States. The exact details of the fieldwork and laboratory work of
    the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership, and the еngagement of other institutions in
    the United States and China, has not been disclosed for independent
    analysis. The precise nature of the experiments that were conducted,
    including the full array of viruses collected from the field and the subsequent sequencing and manipulation of those viruses, remains unknown.

    останалото може да се прочете там:

    https://www.pnas.org/doi/epdf/10.1073/pnas.2202769119

    не ме интересува дали двамата автори са педофили, педераси, тръмписти или
    путинисти под прикритие, също така не ме интересува дали списанието е
    трето-, пето- или n-то класно. наукометричните показатели също не ме
    интересуват.

    интересува ме само написаното в статията, защото опитите на някои идиоти
    да изкарат други идиоти, прикривали данни и изкривявали научни изводи,
    бели и пуфкави като ангелчета, взеха да стават досадни.

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 1 18:29:20 2022
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Sat Jul 2 21:05:33 2022
    On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 18:29:20 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    не ме интересува дали двамата автори са педофили, педераси, тръмписти
    или путинисти под прикритие, също така не ме интересува дали списанието
    е трето-, пето- или n-то класно. наукометричните показатели също не ме
    интересуват.

    Списанието е реномирано, но статията не е научна (тя е публикуване като
    мнение и като такава не била "peer reviewed") и в този контекст
    ренометно е без значение. Jeffrey D. Sachs е интересен екземпляр -
    харвардски икономист (не ми е изестно да има каквито и да било
    компетенции по биомедицински въпроси), който навремето се хвалеше, че е
    бил главния консултант за шоковата икономическа терапия в Полша
    (1990-1991), която сложи начало на неолибераланата икономическа докртина
    като шаблон за бедни/неразвити страни. След това зави силно наляво с все

    само че той не коментира биомедицински въпроси, а нещо друго.

    по-налудничеви идеи. На името Neil L. Harrison не бях попадал. Изглежда
    е професор по фармокология в Ню Йорк.

    Нямам представа "кое е и за какво се бори".

    Нямам против някой да разследва каквото и да било по въпроса за
    произхода за ковид вируса. Не виждам абсолютно нищо лошо в това.

    помни си думите.

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 3 19:05:59 2022
    On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 10:29:58 -0700 (PDT), Радостина wrote:

    On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 2:05:41 PM UTC-7, Nick wrote:

    On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 18:29:20 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    не ме интересува дали двамата автори са педофили, педераси,
    тръмписти или путинисти под прикритие, също така не ме интересува
    дали списанието е трето-, пето- или n-то класно. наукометричните
    показатели също не ме интересуват.

    Списанието е реномирано, но статията не е научна (тя е публикуване
    като мнение и като такава не била "peer reviewed") и в този контекст
    ренометно е без значение. Jeffrey D. Sachs е интересен екземпляр -
    харвардски икономист (не ми е изестно да има каквито и да било
    компетенции по биомедицински въпроси), който навремето се хвалеше, че
    е бил главния консултант за шоковата икономическа терапия в Полша
    (1990-1991), която сложи начало на неолибераланата икономическа
    докртина като шаблон за бедни/неразвити страни. След това зави силно
    наляво с все

    само че той не коментира биомедицински въпроси, а нещо друго.

    по-налудничеви идеи. На името Neil L. Harrison не бях попадал.
    Изглежда е професор по фармокология в Ню Йорк.

    Нямам представа "кое е и за какво се бори".

    Нямам против някой да разследва каквото и да било по въпроса за
    произхода за ковид вируса. Не виждам абсолютно нищо лошо в това.

    помни си думите.

    Изпреварил си ме, Ник. -)

    Тъкмо мислех да публикувам по въпроса.

    Джефри Сакс каза, че е почти 100% сигурен, че произходът на ковид е от
    биолаборатория. А аз го казах преди повече от 2 години.

    абе аз не виждам такова нещо, той по-скоро иска независимо, политически
    необвързано разследване. и то на основата най-вече на данни от американски
    субекти. казва, че е добре и китайците да сътрудничат, но ако не искат,
    има достатъчно информация в американски субекти, която може да бъде
    използвана. и че досега такова разследване не е правено.

    Няма нужда да разбираш от вируси и биолаборатории на професионално ниво.
    Има хиляди други причини и "знаци" че беше, както аз го наричах от
    изкуствен произход. Русия вече има доказателства за биолабораториите в
    Украйна и България.

    аз тук съм по-предпазлив -- какво може да има за доказателства русия.

    Тези лаборатории (които според мен трябва моментално да се унищоцат)
    днес са превърнати във военно оръжие на НАТО за биоатаки. Затова е много
    важно независимо разследване, а ООН дори не пожела да изслуша руснаците.

    тук тактично ще замълча :)

    Осъзнавате ли изобщо колко ниско са паднали САЩ и западноевроГейците
    (англосаксонците).

    това само времето ще покаже (imho).

    Ако светът не прогледне в най-скоро време, ни чaка или изтребителна
    ядрена война, или смyртоносен вирус. Къде блеем по дяволите? Една
    глобална ядрена война има потенциала да изсмучи атмосферата на земята,
    ядрената зима и радиоактивността дори няма да ги коментирам. Блеещи
    овце. Да бе, да, конспиратор съм.

    забрави за ядрената война, прекалено непредсказуема. за смъртоносните
    вируси не знам, за мен те също са толкова непресказуеми (imho).

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue Jul 5 04:20:18 2022
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 20:14:10 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    Джефри Сакс каза, че е почти 100% сигурен, че произходът на ковид е от
    биолаборатория.

    При положение, че няма _никакви_ компетенции в тази област как може да е
    "почти 100% сигурен"??

    а стига с тези компетенции, това може да е мнението на другия автор. да не
    говорим, че не това казва точно джефри сакс.

    защото ако ще говорим за компетенции, ти би трябвало да си държиш устата
    затворена почти през цялото време.

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