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    From Nick@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 15 07:31:01 2022
    Calling Russia’s Attack ‘Unprovoked’ Lets US Off the Hook

    In 1997, dozens of foreign policy veterans (including former Defense
    Secretary Robert McNamara and former CIA Director Stansfield Turner) sent
    a joint letter to then-President Bill Clinton calling “the current US-led effort to expand NATO…a policy error of historic proportions.” They predicted:

    In Russia, NATO expansion, which continues to be opposed across the
    entire political spectrum, will strengthen the nondemocratic opposition, undercut those who favor reform and cooperation with the West [and] bring
    the Russians to question the entire post-Cold War settlement.

    …

    New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman (5/2/98) in 1998 asked famed
    diplomat George Kennan—architect of the US Cold War strategy of containment—about NATO expansion. Kennan’s response:

    I think it is the beginning of a new cold war. I think the Russians
    will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I
    think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No
    one was threatening anybody else.

    Of course there is going to be a bad reaction from Russia, and then
    [the NATO expanders] will say that we always told you that is how the
    Russians are—but this is just wrong.

    https://fair.org/home/calling-russias-attack-unprovoked-lets-us-off-the-hook/

    останалото може и сами да прочетете. както каза някой -- има много истина
    в това. не че ще има полза от това, но пък защо да не видим :)

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  • From Ivaylo Ivanov@21:1/5 to Nick on Tue Mar 15 09:41:11 2022
    On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 3:31:03 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:
    Calling Russia’s Attack ‘Unprovoked’ Lets US Off the Hook

    Calling Nazi Germany's Attack on the USSR ‘Unprovoked’ Lets US Off the Hook

    Изказване на тогавашния (1990-1996) външен министър на Русия:

    "This argument about NATO is just propaganda fed to Americans who then regurgitate it in
    their opinion and journal essays."

    https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/russias-ex-foreign-minister-on-his-totalitarian-country/


    In 1997, dozens of foreign policy veterans (including former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara and former CIA Director Stansfield Turner) sent
    a joint letter to then-President Bill Clinton calling “the current US-led effort to expand NATO…a policy error of historic proportions.” They predicted:

    In Russia, NATO expansion, which continues to be opposed across the
    entire political spectrum, will strengthen the nondemocratic opposition, undercut those who favor reform and cooperation with the West [and] bring the Russians to question the entire post-Cold War settlement.

    …

    New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman (5/2/98) in 1998 asked famed diplomat George Kennan—architect of the US Cold War strategy of containment—about NATO expansion. Kennan’s response:

    I think it is the beginning of a new cold war. I think the Russians
    will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else.

    Of course there is going to be a bad reaction from Russia, and then
    [the NATO expanders] will say that we always told you that is how the Russians are—but this is just wrong.

    https://fair.org/home/calling-russias-attack-unprovoked-lets-us-off-the-hook/

    останалото може и сами да прочетете. както каза някой -- има много истина
    в това. не че ще има полза от това, но пък защо да не видим :)

    --
    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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  • From Nick@21:1/5 to Ivaylo Ivanov on Tue Mar 15 18:31:13 2022
    On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 09:41:11 -0700 (PDT), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

    On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 3:31:03 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:

    Calling Russia’s Attack ‘Unprovoked’ Lets US Off the Hook

    Calling Nazi Germany's Attack on the USSR ‘Unprovoked’ Lets US Off the Hook

    Изказване на тогавашния (1990-1996) външен министър на Русия:

    "This argument about NATO is just propaganda fed to Americans who then regurgitate it in their opinion and journal essays."

    що ли не съм изненадан?

    ама там интервютата с американските дипломати не бяха ли след 1996 г.?

    или ти даже не си прочел статията, но караш по стар тоталитарен навик --
    „я солженицин не читал, но осуждаю“.

    дано осъзнаваш колко си жалък.

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    «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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