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On 2023-07-20, nickname unavailable <[email protected]> wrote:

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:06:47 AM UTC-5, Jos Boersema wrote:

On 2023-07-20, nickname unavailable <[email protected]> wrote:

February 16, 2022 at 10:08:57 AM UTC-6, nickname unavailable wrote:

yes yes free trade is fascism, everyone knows it: The Nazis Globalist
Liberals Prefer to Ignore

the white supremacy of free trade: nazi lawyers even stated that the
roots of fascism can be traced back to free trade

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-nazis-globalist-liberals-prefer-to-ignore/

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the founding fathers of the free trade E.U. included former Nazis,
an Italian fascist, and a French collaborator

nazi lawyers even stated that the roots of fascism can be traced back
to free trade, and fascism is based on free trade

the nazis knew there was no evidence at all that free trade helped people, >>>> its exactly opposite

fascism it seems to be in the blood of any free trader.

In a system where not only products of effort are sold, but also the
land itself, groups of working people (companies) themselves are sold
and limitless accumulation of wealth is allowed, the power centralizes,
and more companies tend to be dictatorships. "Free trade" becomes
"unfree trade", and likely becomes a tyrannical war economy.

With a right to land and an open market not crushed by monopolies,
cartels or other signs of Plutocracy, a trade economy would work to
benefit (working, decent) people. Without these rights, the trade system
becomes a feeding ground of power centralization: Dictatorship, Tyranny,
Fascism.

interesting. looks like something thomas jefferson and thomas paine
would have wanted. and actually if you look at the american constitution, some of your proposals are already there.

Markets are for products (and services). The price is dynamically
adjusting to the amount of effort it takes to produce it, including
transport if that takes effort.

Raw land (natural resources) are not produced by humans within the
economy. Free and equal access to raw natural resources is an essential
part of a trade economy. This used to be a natural state before
agriculture. With the advent of agriculture, a single person became
capable of holding down more and more land. It became necessary to start
giving people land for free in an organized way, and keep it that way
forever.

Presumably, greed, stupidity and evil prevented humanity from doing
this, but it still has to be done.

but there is some libertarianism underlining a few of you proposals.

It is based on the natural laws / logic of how a market works, and on a rejection of Tyranny for various obvious reasons. If there is any base
for these ideas, it is the overarching idea of "distributing power".

Personally I don't care if the truth matches parts of some existing
ideology or political group within European politics, because European
culture is such a failure on the issue of land ownership.

Some tribes who still live in old ways know that land needs to be
distributed for free. The best known and probably most impressive
example of a functioning economy in world history was Israel. They have distributed the land for free on a large scale, and had clear laws on
how this land should remain free. Sadly they corrupted themselves and
have not been able to overcome the corruption of their own culture to
this day.

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