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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed

http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm

(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence

Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of
this literature is the high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus, Josephus, and Philo, a few
non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho, Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on earlier
sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD 200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that remains of his description of Moses are two references made by Diodorus Siculus, wherein, writes historian
Arthur Droge, "he describes Moses as a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and colonized Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by Hecataeus, Moses had founded cities, established a temple and religious cult, and issued laws:
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only
great of soul but also in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE), portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court. According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal,
cultural and military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71] Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he taught the people the value of the ibis as a
protection against the serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of the same by Moses
gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a
rod, in remembrance of that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old, "tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration for Moses' gallantry in helping his
daughters, and chooses to adopt Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography (c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity.
He writes, for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared
and taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of their gods after the human form.
For God [said he] may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he describes various stages in its development: from the first stage, including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded
by an aura of sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus who "described
Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being whom no image can represent. . . [and] the
only way to approach this god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image. His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy,
as a result of the Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76] Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement that there was an Exodus from
Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses, advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves,
and accept as divine the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown for certain. However, most scholars agree that the
author lived in the time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero,
Moses is the only non-Greek writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes Solomon's Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark of the Covenant was first moved into the newly built
temple:
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote
to the rulers and elders of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole body of the people to
come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad, ... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and
all the vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which God spake to Moses in Mount Sinai, and
which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage, temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness
to undergo toil and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king, Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria, wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the
prophets, and the life of Jesus . . . "[79]:194 He describes his background: Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures which distinguished him from other Greek
philosophers. He refers to Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet. Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165 AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts. Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more trustworthy, profound and truthful because
he is older than the Greek philosophers."


(6)Chris Lee tells another lie

Here is what he said

" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the

14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."

Here is what the 14th amendment says:

14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities
of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors
for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years
of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the
whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or
as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given
aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any
state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
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There is Nothing there about religion or politics.

Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.

(7)Lee lies about British history

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ

(8)Lee Lies about evolution

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE

(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs

On Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:07:25 PM UTC-7, Joe Bruno wrote:

On Sunday, May 4, 2014 9:03:27 AM UTC-7, Christopher A. Lee wrote:

He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated

creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.

Creationists talk about the bible and God. I don't. Here is what I said:

Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.

Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.

SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.

(10)Chrissy claims Joe Bruno is a Jew for Jesus:

On Monday, May 5, 2014 6:17:05 AM UTC-7, Joe Bruno wrote:

From: Los Angeles Branch <[email protected]> Add to Addresses Block Sender

Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM

To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Add to Addresses

Subject: Jews for Jesus

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Hello, Mr. Tandy,

You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for Jesus. I do not find you in our database.

God Bless!

Susan Montroy

Jews for Jesus

Los Angeles

(11)Lee Lies About Scientists

On Saturday, May 3, 2014 9:19:19 PM UTC-7, Joe Bruno wrote:

On Saturday, May 3, 2014 6:00:24 PM UTC-7, Christopher A. Lee wrote:

This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution

Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?

 http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html

(12)Lee lies About Tacitus

On Friday, May 9, 2014 8:55:36 AM UTC-7, Joe Bruno wrote:

On Monday, May 5, 2014 5:28:23 PM UTC-7, Christopher A. Lee wrote:

On Mon, 5 May 2014 16:35:08 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] wrote:

On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:34:49 AM UTC+8, [email protected] wrote:

On Sunday, May 4, 2014 6:53:42 PM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:

Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians

as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that

connection.

That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"

Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus

provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]

(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting

On Friday, May 9, 2014 6:21:16 PM UTC-7, Joe Bruno wrote:

On Friday, May 9, 2014 2:59:40 PM UTC-7, Christopher A. Lee wrote:

On Fri, 09 May 2014 22:17:40 +0200, Malygris <[email protected]>

Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense

over and over again somehow defends it?

I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything

on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.

(14)Lee lies about what Joe said:

On Saturday, May 10, 2014 3:59:06 PM UTC-7, Joe Bruno wrote:

On Saturday, May 10, 2014 3:50:09 PM UTC-7, Christopher A. Lee wrote:

On Sat, 10 May 2014 17:32:33 -0500, Tom McDonald <[email protected]>

So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a

specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have

signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being

a voting matter.

Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400

signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this

stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.

He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams

"EVIDENCE???????????????"

LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.

(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 2:01:44 PM UTC-7, Joe Bruno wrote:

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 8:01:40 AM UTC-7, Christopher A. Lee wrote:

In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to

evolution actually are.

That's a lie. Here is what I said:

Joe Bruno <[email protected]> wrote in

 news:[email protected]:

On Sep 24, 9:49�pm, Calvin Ramsey <[email protected]> wrote:

Joe Bruno wrote:

Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion

is evolution.

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