title: Is Moshiach a Vengeful Warrior or Peacemaker? | Classic Take S2: 32 source: Tut Altz
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ulPu_UBkT0

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Question: What is the pain & suffering necessary to not only get the
Jewish people to stop listening to Rabbinical Judaism with its Hillel
and Rambam, but to make certain they will _never again in all eternity_
listen to the Rabbis. This is the amount of suffering you are now
creating, and which you are facing as a people. A clue to the amount
of suffering which will be attempted next is in the Torah: 7 times
worse. The last time was the Nazis. While there is no guarantee that
Israel will finally overthrow the Rabbis after this, it looks like the
system is set up along the lines of opportunities and choices. When
you are destroyed as a people, it is not only a catastrophe, but it
apparently is an opportunity for you as a people to stop listening
to these Rabbis. Hence I guess we cannot really define the amount of
suffering necessary to remove Rabbinical Judaism _forever,_ because it is
more along the lines of heaven creating opportunities to overthrow them,
such as the Nazi holocaust and the current exile, and then the final step
needs to be taken by Israel by choice. If this choice never comes, then Rabbinical Judaism will still be overthrown in the end, by way of Israel
no longer existing as a people. Then they would have hardened their neck
to the point of their own extinction, or so few of them would be left
they cannot be called a people anymore. How does it make you feel you are creating this kind of hell for your people ? That's a rethorical question
of course, because you feel nothing, because you simply deny the reality
you are creating with your Rabbinical Judaism. You simply deny reality,
and then you feel whatever you want to feel about it, to make yourself
happy in the moment. The mindlessness of humanity and Israel as well,
is shocking, and I think it means this species certainly in its current
form, cannot exist and will not exist. This mess belongs in the Stone Age, where the harm they do is at least limited by their lesser capabilities.

Remember you read this, so that when it happens you know it was your own
free choice to create the disasters which you are likely to be suffering
from. It was your own free choice to rebel against the Torah to the bitter
end, with the rest of the Rabbis and your mindless following. Religious nutcases is what you all are, mindless and with a cult attitude. A lost
people, now put on the slaughtering block of history, having reach a
point in history where this kind of madness can no longer be sustained
but it has to be dealt with - probably by putting this mindless and evil species back in the Stone Age, which is a state of mind they have for
the most part refused to leave. If you don't want to get your minds
and hearts out of your hunter-gatherer Stone Age animalistic state,
then that is the choice you make about the future you want. Reality
will eventually adjust to that, and you can live up all this greed and
violence which you apparently love so much. Heaven will then be doing
nothing more, than providing this species with the wishes it has. It can
look at this species, especially when the suffering becomes bad, see
"aha these creatures want to be violent and mean to each other, they
want to rage with greed and fight, then we will give them a world in
which they can freely explore those choices". It will then be a simple
process of wiping out most people in a series of catastrophes, until a
small remainder of primitives groups living like Neantherthales remain,
and that will then be your future for say the next 100 000 years.

You think it won't happen ? If you go on with Hillel and Rambam and the
rest of humanity behind you, there is no other good choice, because what
you are creating is like a high technological hell world, which is likely
going to be much worse than the Stone Age. It is animal violence with high technology, which are also levels of technology we are now just getting
into, such as DNA manipulation on the small scale, to Country destroying
weapon systems on the other hand on the large scale, and every manner of
hell evil humans can think off in between. You think the criminals don't
have all the money, or the will to do it ? They are already doing it,
and have always tried to do it.

Heaven will then convict you to your own choices, which is both horrific,
and absolutely beautiful, isn't it. Just like you have been given the
exile you created with your Hillel and Rambam. You want that exile,
because you want to follow Hillel and Rambam, and there you are, you
are living it, exactly as promised, with all the death and misery you apparently where craving for. You wanted it, because your actions where
clear: you are against the Torah and also against HKB'H, and then heaven
gave you what you wanted. Now the bombs are getting very big, so I guess
all choices humans make are going to be coming true to a greater extend, because technology allows more to be achieved in whatever direction it
is deployed. Humans like deploying technology according to their will
of course, which is both toward luxury but also toward violence. Both
ends will be strengthened, and in the end, the species can probably
not survive that which it is creating, because humans are too evil and
mindless to survive their own choices.

Once you accept Rambam Shemita 10:8 or the prozbul, it is all over for
you as a people. You are enemies of the Torah from then on, and you have remained enemies of heaven since then. I think the only reason you are
still alive, is because the gentiles are even so much worse than you,
but that doesn't mean you are good enough yourselves to live either. It's
the best of the worst, but in the end, it all goes into destruction,
almost nothing seems capable of existing. But who am I talking to,
right ? Religious people are known for their mindlessness and illogical irrational attitudes, and absolutely closed minded dogmatism and cult behaviors. Not a chance in hell these people will care for the truth or
a logical argument. That being so, there is only one way forward then: suffering. If the suffering doesn't help, then extinction can eventually
also stop the suffering, and then everything will be good again. The
creation is eventually perfect, even when Israel is not.

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Continuing on Usenet: the comment was apparently deleted, potentially
due to some language filter since I was a bit rude in it. I guess I
should not be rude, but it is hard no not be upset with the lying Rabbis
and their mindless following, and the hell they are creating in the end.

I think at this point, I regret having had the will to help. People
truly are incomprehensibly ... whatever. They just don't want to be good
or even half decent, they just want to be violent and dumb to the bitter
end. They don't want to listen with a minimum of care to the other side
in for example something like a war, or contemplate the cost of the war compared to ...

... but who am I writing this even for ? We have Governments, seemingly
staffed by adults (you would think, 3 year old toddlers with nobody
around to change them) who have organized the State debt, a roll over
debt insanity. That is potentially already enough to give up, never
mind all the great issues of the right to land and so many other issues.

The only thing humans seem to excell at, is tinkering with technology
and making it more & more powerful. They can be quite hard working and
crafty. They can also suddenly be genius when it comes to avoiding
taxes, or at least some of them. On the whole, there is a lot of great
stuff and nice people, but this "a lot" is just not enough against the destructive and selfish elements.

Humanity as a whole: generates a large amount of suffering, and almost
no to very small amounts of happiness, is my personal subjective
opinions. The lives of these creatures is mostly suffering, a lot of it
is more or less neutral, and there is almost no real happiness. On the
whole I think the species is a negative to existing (including my own
wretched life, if I may say so). On the whole, this species is not
adding anything worthwhile to existence, at least at the moment. As it
stands, happiness would likely be greater if this species where to go
extinct.

The only reason this mess is still existing then, is the chance & hope
that eventually all the negative can still be turned around. This
requires a significant change in the behavior of humans. Personally I
often think of the problem as that of horse breeding or any other animal
or plant cultivation. You constantly choose the best ones, while letting
them all do whatever they want.

If humanity is a cultivation process, the best ones are stimulated and
made to survive, the bad ones should die out. You could also see it as a cultivation *attempt*, where ti is not even certain even any one of these creatures will become good, but an attempt is made anyway. After then a
process of attempting leads to nothing, eventually the point may come to
give up on it all and just extinct the entire species. If one or a few
specimen will still be good enough, then more or less the entire process
was succesful, and only they can then be made to survive and the rest
gets destroyed (only heaven can do that, of course; if humans where to
attempt this, it would almost certainly only be more hell and evil as
usual).

Rabbinical Judaism belongs to the class of crime and failure, so this
can obviously not survive in the end. It can only survive if it wants to restructure itself to the necessary degree, however it clearly refuses
up to this point.

To have a Nation which is functioning, you need a necessary combination
of mind & heart. IF the heart is good but the mind is lost, you could
still have perhaps a Stone Age tribe or something, although this kind of
life should also not be underestimated in its difficulty. If the mind is working well but the heart is evil (heart, I mean soul), then there is
probably no hope.

Perhaps within all these issues is then the answer to what the future
for the Nation of Israel will be:

- It will be much smaller, even a shadow of itself. All who refused to
be good may be destroyed, and at a 7 times worse death rate than the
Nazis to shock the people into overthrowing Rabbinical Judaism
finally, it may be that 95% to 99% is dead (7 times the Nazi death
rate).
- It will be technologically primitive, because of the mindlessness of
the people not being able to handle anything too complicated or
powerful.
- It may be technologically primitive, because of the remaining evil in
the hearts of the jewish people, making it dangerous to give this
species too much technological power.

Perhaps you can even make some sort of formula for it:

The larger Israel will be after the Redemption, the less refined the
entire group of survivers will be, because more of the less reliable
elements will be part of it. The less refined Israel is, the more time
it needs to refine itself in the end still, and the less technological
power can be entrusted to them (because otherwise they will abuse it).
The lower the technological level, the longer it is going to take
humanity to build up nuclear bombs again, and start developing DNA
weapons and all the evil they are into today (which for the common
street fool is called: helpful medical sience, they are trying to help
people - yeah fool, in your dreams; and now you think I don't believe
there are good medical people who do their best ? of course I know that,
but they don't rule the world on the strategic level with the money the
wars and the Tyrannies, and these supposed good medical people still
usually are dumb enough to read the newspapers which are ultimately
owned by the criminals, and which are used to create the wars and the
Empires with their support).

This then would lead to the idea: the more Jews survive into the
Redemption, the lower the technological level of the world needs to be
to sustain that situation, which is a sort of a contradiction because
the more people are killed (especially if we near 100%), the lower the technological level will likely end up being after the catastrophes.

This is what you got yourself into, by overthrowing your Torah and
admiring the snake on the roof, Hillel with his cute smile, although you
where already a lost people when you split in two and stopped following
the Jubilee. You are a lost and mindless people, who seem to be dead set
on refusing to understand anything. Death will be what you create for yourselves. You have been warned. If you act like the garbage you have
turned your Torah into, don't be surprised if heaven dumps you in the
trash bin where you apparently want to be.

I wonder how future history books (if we will haev books) will call
this long period of Rabbinical opposition to the Torah. 21 centuries of opposition more or less, some 80 generations of opposition. That is not
a small thing, is it. The "Great rebellion of the Jewish people against
the truth" ? The "reign of the criminal Rabbis for thousands of years" ?
The great period of darkness and evil ? Simply: the Failure ?

What am I ranting about at this point, sorry. lol

Israel: you are a lost and evil people.

Gentiles: you are even more lost and evil than them.

Sum: a lost species, idiots with nukes and DNA sequencing capabilities.
(May heaven have mercy, and protect those who deserve another chance.)

Don't expect me to act like Moshe Rabbeinu however, to want you be
protected even though you have done all this evil and stupidity. He
protected you, right ? That's how the story goes in the Torah. It turned
out to be one huge mistake in my opinion. You should have all been wiped
out.

Only Moshe Rabbeinu would then live, and if necessary he finds a new
wife and starts a new Nation from nothing, because you all turned out to
be worthless in the end. Then maybe if things work like that, those with
good souls might still be allowed to live and come back. I don't know
how that works, it is above human life on Earth to know about it. We see
the mess Israel has created for itself and the world, which now seems to
mean an unbelievable level of catastrophy is necessary to either correct
this species at the last moment, or to extinct them so they won't do
even more damage still (damage to happiness, so to say). You think this
is good that Moshe Rabbeinu protects you, and you fantasize that good
peolpe pray for your survival is good, yet you live these often wretched
lives and then you get to suffer more pogroms, and then after you cry:
why are we even alive to suffer all this (and quite rightly I guess, you
would cry like that). What is it worth, if that has to be your life ?
Better to die as a people, but then the children of Moshe Rabbeinu would perhaps be a little better than you. Less dumb. Less evil. More good,
more smart. Then maybe they can live well, lives worth living at least.

Hence we see I guess, Israel was all one big mistake in the end. Wasn't
it the father of the 12 children, who already knew how evil they are ?
He wasn't exactly saying a lot of good about his 12 children, if I
recall. With the gentiles even being worse if not much worse, it is
clear that the situation on Earth is basically one big disaster, even
already now due to all the suffering and lack of happiness that exists everywhere.

I warn you and describe your bad nature for you, so that you hopefully
realize how bad you are. I you don't realize how bad you are, even if
that might insult you, then why would you put serious effort in
improving your behavior, but improving it is absolutely necessary. You
going on with these liars Hillel and Rambam is absolutely unacceptable.
If you think you are a good people (comparing yourself with the crazy
gentiles who are worse, but that doesn't ultimately mean anything), why
would you put serious effort into getting to the state you need to be in
to even survive as a Nation ? You would be feeling good about yourself,
and if there are a few minor points to deal with, then you can always do
that later.

I tell you this: YOU ARE A BUNCH OF MORONS. EVIL STUPID MORONS. Just
like the rest of the Nations on a mass scale. Stupid evil morons for
even listening to a liar like Hillel. Your Rebbes are fools, your Rabbis
are liars, and your politicinas are criminals. You are ALL criminals,
all under a death penalty relative to the Torah.

I'm not even going to say: but there are good people, because then you
will just assume you are the one good, and still not do anything. No,
you are also evil, because where are you opposing the Rabbis wit their
lying Prozbul ? Why am I the only one in this group, which is a main
Jewish group, or don't you know how Usenet works.

Then of course, rather than realize how evil you are, you will call me
evil for calling you evil, and then you save yourself out of it that
way. You always find a reason to not do what you need to do, whatever it
is. Whatever works, you do that. Then in the end, you get thrown into
the oven, into the death camps, and there is nobody to save you, and you
just die there, end.

Funny how in the above paragraph, in a even spaced font, there is a
verticle line of spaces. The words behind it read "you yourself you end,
nobody just". I guess I'm being a religious nutcase now myself also, and
it say that I will end and there is nobody who is just. That's fine with
me, it was already a goal of me to stop existing because of the
unbearable pain. One way or the other I guess, there are no good humans
on this planet. They are always so easy to be whipped up into something
evil like another horrible war or to support some disgusting policies or
ideas. If this species then doesn't want to be good, if they want to be animals, then let us all die as animals, like the flies in the winter.
How many insects die every winter ? Does anyone count, does anyone care ?
Why should we even care. It is part of nature, it is how it is. It would
be the same with humans then, they die like flies when the time has come
for them to no longer exist.

I thought there was some hope for humanity, but it seems I was wrong.
The level of stupidity is beyond all comprehension, and the evil and
craziness just adds to that so much suffering. To the side of the good,
humans just basically don't experience almost any sort of happiness.
Some fleeting moments here or there, a cookie or a small moment of
satisfaction when they did something right, and that's it. Against this severely muted good, is a whole world of nightmarish suffering. Why does
this species exist ? Why is this worth it, and for what, if they don't
want to be good in the end and create a happy life for all in the future ?
Why would a species, whose intention is to create suffering for others,
be allowed to exist ?

Because they do some good also ? So they do just enough good to stay in existence, and then they use that existence to create masses of
suffering for themselves and others, either by intention or ignorance.

I hope such an angry and insulting, offensive post like this, may still
serve some purpose by making Israel realize how bad they are, and then
maybe a few of them will want to stop being liars about the Torah, and
make the world a lot better in the end (which will likely take thousands
of years, although typically some achievements can be made within a
generation and then out to some centuries for an initial cultural
period, after which like 2-4 centuries there is typically some upheaval
and major change I guess; which is what the system in the signature is
designed for already, since you can re-deploy the systems in it against
the corruption crime Empire and other evil which you can expect when a
Nation becomes decadent).

Sorry about using bad words. I do not see any way forward anymore, and I
guess I haven't tried this yet. Israel, you are an evil moron. Rabbis,
you are evil and stupid, criminal and under the death penalty in the
Torah many times over, for your Hillel andh Rambam, which are evil
suckers whom you idolize because of your idiocy and your idolatry, and
all the fakery of your shulls and beautiful books are nothing more than beautiful illustrations and frames around the turd the poop on the
street that you have become.

May Israel be Redeemed, speedily in our days. May heaven bless Israel,
forever, with peace & justice, and to all the humans so we can live.
Israel is a great Nation, comparative to the gentiles at least, but it
is not good enough to even exist. That is the problem. From my
perspective bein another failude human who is also poop on the street
and a failure and unfit to exist, Israel or others may be great people
and lovely individuals, but still as a whole, this humanity is
absolutely bonkers and ultimately evil as well and that is not argued
relative to me personally, but relative to the demands of surviving and
being happy. A species who builds nukes everywhere to bomb each other to
hell, is evil and is a moron, and that is relative to its own needs to
survive, thus you could argue that there is an objectivity to it. If we
don't make the bar, we destroy ourselves.

Once the nuke war is over, it may become more apparent to more people I
guess. I just shudder to think what the new Tyrannies are going to look
like, whith all this technological ower deployed by the armies and their usually evil bosses. Perhaps there is still some kind of a chance to
life, after Rabbinical Judaism is destroyed and their lies will never get
back ever again (and also their sister system, the Roman idol, is also completely going to be ended and those lies also never come back; I hope).

It might help you get closer to heaven (or God as you put it, which to
me simply means do more Torah and Torah is laws about this world, and I
don't care what you tell yourself to do good), if you realize as a
people and as an individual, how bad you are, and that all the hell that
you may be experiencing in the coming years or decades was deserved in
spades for you, and that you survive at all is already an act of mercy.
You think yiou do good when you send your child to the SHull where they
learn Hillel and Rambam, but that is already close to or completely a
death penalty in the Torah. You are part of organized crime, but you
are so ignorant you don't want to know, so careless and evil you don't
even care. Then when you get destroyed, you are upset "I didn't deserve
this, I send my child even to the Shull to learn Torah". You send your
child to criminals, to learn evil and to destroy Israel and though it
the world and any future it may have had. That's what you did, and then
that's what you get punished for. Understand ?

You choose to commit these crimes, but then you don't see it, and you
think you don't deserve punishment, but you are committing crimes, and
if you suffer pogroms and Nazi holocausts, that is the punishment you
created for yourself. What you think is serving Hashem, is serving
criminals, and by the standards of the Torah, you barely have a chance
to survive it at all, let alone escape punishment.

I hope you at least have a sense of how bad and evil you are.

Period. Nothing more to say. Just absorb that fact for once. Stop and
absorb: we Jewish people are evil, we Rabbinical Judaism followers are
evil, and our Rabbis are evil. This is not really the question. The
question is only: do you want to remain evil, or do you want to change
it, and perhaps live forever happy ever after.

WHat evil, is this about the "original sin" or some vagueness ? Nope, absolutely crystal clear and simple:
Rambam shemita 10:8.
Prozbul.
Heter iska.
Breaking the rest day in two.

You overthrew the Torah economy, which had freedom andh justice for all, stability for the Nation, a life for all. You overthrew that, and
brought criminals to power who want dictatorship and make slaves out of everyone, and that's evil. That's the evil that you are doing, that is
very specifically what I ask you to stop doing. The most important of
these is probably Rambam Shemita 10:8, due to the impact on everything,
but the whole Torah is also important, including its many laws such as
to be decent, to be good for the children (which means stable
marriages), to not speak rudely (so, to not speak like Jos is doing in
this particle :-( ), and so on and so forth, to treat old people and
sick people will, and so on and so on and so on and so on.

(Sigh, I was so determined to stop writing today, and now this came out.
I am truly hopeless with this idea of giving up on it.)

Israel: get your head out of your arse, and get to it. NOW. Today !
If you go to our Rabbi and scream on the top of your lungs about the
prozbul, I would definitely aplaud it. Better might be to organize a new
Shul where the lies of the Rabbis are no longer taught, because it looks
like the Rabbis will never give up on their lies. Just start something
better then I guess, and ignore the liars or throw them out when the
power is there to do it. It might be more peaceful to just start
something which is true. Avoid the fight since there is already too much violence in the world.

(Not sure I should post this, but whatever, so far nothing worked so who
knows this might be the day ;-). It's not funny though. We can already
expect the rivers of blood which will be spilled in the coming years.
The wars will very likely get worse, and get to an intensity perhaps
never seen before even, with the nukes and who knows what. It may be a
good time finally to overthrow the Hillel and return to the truth.

Oh about Hillel, the house of Hillel doesn't have rulings on cases. The
prozbul is not a ruling, and the house of Shammai is not a competing
ruling to that ruling. THe prozbul has nothing to do with a ruling on a
case. The house of Hillel is criminal. Criminals don't make rulings. The prozbul is a huge crime, and so is Rambam with his Shemita 10:8. You
don't just change from one house its rulings to the other, as if there
is any legitimacy whatsoever to the prozbul as a ruling. They are
criminals, Rambam is a criminal for Shemita 10:8. That was a world
destroying crime he wrote down there.

Rabbis and their hard neck, unbelievable. How can they besmerch their
own memory like this, by going along with things like Rambam and Hillel.
How can they recover from such lies ? I guess they have no relation to
the idea that you shouldn't be lying or that it will in the end hurt you.
You should lie in war though, but that is different, and maybe that is
how they somehow see the world, that they are in a war against Israel
still in the hope of getting some sort of ancient Egyptian Empire out of
it, with Temples and great power or something. Not that they are
anywhere close to that, as some gentile liars seem to claim. The Rabbis
have barely any power in the world. I guess some may have this dream
that the Redemption will finally be when Moshe or someoen like him will
want to be their Pharao, and they can be the wealthy Palace cliques
around it at a Temple. As has been said, there where distrusted groups
coming with Israel out of Egypt, and perhaps this is them then, with
this dream of rebuilding Ancient Egypt, and not having a clue about what
was really happening or what it is really about.

In the mind of such people, 'peace' can mean something like the Roman
Empire. It was non stop at war, but they choose to call that peace, the internal Peace in the Empire at least. Never mind the torturing, never
mind the slavery. Everything can be warped in their minds like this, and
maybe that's what they are doing, and that's why they don't care about
the truth because it is such an alien concept for them. Truth is: what
is accurately describing what the Pharao said. It doesn't matter what
was said and if that is true, but simply if the message was accurately
copied. If the Pharao said "the sky is blue and stones have no weight
from now on" (eggaretation), then for such a Rabbis this would be true,
if the Prahao really said that. It would then be a matter of executing
those orders, which is then in turn the way to get is good standing and
get rich / avoid execution. This may have been how they lived their
lives, and how they want to live them again, which then comes to mean
that this is their dream of the Redemption with this temple.

Completely an opposing form of the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu, which they
already have overthrown, so we see that they are making progress with
such a project. It is as it where, an group inside of the people of
ISrael, working to foil this slave rebellion and bring the slaves back,
or at least make them fail and therefore make them weak, so that they
can eventually be captured again.

You don't see it, or you don't want to see it. Hmm, hard necked people ?
You don't want to see it, do you. As the Dutch saying says: who doesn't
want to listen, will have to feel it (as in, punishment, bad
consequences from bad actions).

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