• Israel ripped out the heart of the Torah, its economy.

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 10 12:03:35 2025
    link: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZansiYHi-yg
    title: Rochester Q&A Demanding Moshiach: The Chutzpah We Need Now
    source: @YosefGavrielBechhofer

    Reply ...

    If you demand 'moshiach' as hard as you can, it may crumble down the wall
    which you build inside _yourselves_ (your hard neck), where you have the
    wrong expectations about all this on the one hand (you want another King,
    so that you can deny HKB'H, it doesn't matter if you pretend otherwise
    because Rabbinical Judaism is a lie¹ and therefore it is obvious what
    you are doing), and on the other hand the idea that you yourselves are
    doing the Torah adequately may also crumble. It is all about your own
    psyche, I guess. If you think you can demand anything from HKB'H, that
    is silly in a sense, because you have the answer in your hand which is
    the _written_ Torah from Moshe Rabbeinu. All you have to do is stop
    lying about it¹, and you would live the Redemption (!). Heaven owes
    you nothing, because your request for Redemption was already honored
    once the Torah was written down thousands of years ago. Your request
    was answered before you where born.

    It is your pride, the ego you probably feel right now when reading this,
    which causes you to delay the Redemption even more. Not so ? Then deal
    with the grievances in the note, and start the Redemption _today._

    Note 1. The frauds and lies of Rabbinical Judaism are catastrophic
    and include: Rambam Shemita 10:8, prozbul, heter iska, Shabbos candle
    lighting to ruin the Shabbos. You fake the new day moment. If you want
    a summary of what you ruined, you ruined the _economy_ of the Torah,
    almost entirely: land, money, rest.

    Remember Egypt, what was so bad about it ? The economy. The economy became slavery, Tyranny. That is about work, about money, about the economy,
    about no rest, about being slaves. This is what it was all about, and
    your ruined it, you ripped out the heart.

    * End reply.

    I rewrote the whole thing once over, but in the previous attempt to get
    through to the hard necked rebels against the Torah (Israel & her
    Rabbis) I tried to argue that as time goes on and nothing happens, you
    start to wonder from two ends: did we expect the wrong thing about what 'moshiach' is and do we hence need to widen our expectations, and on the
    other hand the idea that you are actually following the Torah in a
    worthy way may start to crumble, because why else has 'moshiach'
    otherwise not arrived. This effect may become more pronounced when bad
    things happen, especially something like the next holocaust, 7 times
    worse than the Nazis because Israel did not come back to the Torah after
    the Nazis (they kept going with the usurpers and phony law makers Hillel
    the Elder and Rambam / Maimonides).

    I think a bit of a funny effect in the end (which may be centuries away
    from becoming more apparent), is that the Redemption in total will be
    more profound and large and long lasting than at least some Jewish
    people are thinking is even possible. They on the one hand think
    something which they think is easy and great for them (another King who
    is nice), and then when they see it actually it may be a big
    disappointment because their hope to become idolators again may be dashed.
    Then however, when the effects and mechanisms start to operate (if it is
    the program in the signature), and slowly but surely good people get
    their act together on a greatre & greater scale, the whole thing will
    become so much more than they could have dreamed possible.

    It is both less, and it is more, I guess. It is different, to put it
    that way. Their idolatry is still speaking a lot in them, they are still idolators at heart. They still do not understand it.

    Idolatry also has a connection with ruining the Torah economy, because
    the Torah economy is about justice & fairness for all. To ruin that as
    they did, they create this difference again between the rich & greedy
    who get everything and become increasingly wicked (the bosses, the
    criminals, the Kings), and the lower class under it, the slaves, the
    tools, the excess population, the fools. The fools then worship their
    criminal bosses, which is the idolatry.

    If you look at what idolatry is, I think it may have originated from
    groveling to evil violent persons who dominated the group, like you see
    in monkey society and dog society (I mean the animals). To shift this subservient behavior to the most violent and strong (but basically
    'evil') top dog to a statue or an idea, is potentially a positive
    development of this behavior which needs to change, because we are
    humans now, we are the techno monkeys. We are strong because we are
    creative, not because we are violent & evil.

    Hence, the connection between the will to have a King and worship this
    King as a god, and idolatry, where this worship of a King is potentially
    even worse and more primitive than worshiping a statue or an idea of a
    magical creature (idol). Worshiping the idol rather than the living
    criminal boss, allows you to have an amount of freedom and opposition
    against the ruling crime boss of the day, especially if you choose an
    idol associated with peace & justice (which they might not, which could potentially be worse than worshiping the criminal boss of the day as a
    person). You think I talk bizarre ? Go look into organized crime. The
    captain of a gang is basically regarded as a god with all the power.
    They typically operate in practice with absolute Tyranny, and they
    demand absolute and complete obedience. The Italians apparently even
    call their boss their 'god - father'. These are the most primitive of
    humans, who still act out in this animal kind of way.

    You see the connection with the idolatry, the ruining of the economy,
    and ancient behaviors of worshiping violent people. I think many Jewish
    people and especially gentiles, let their idolatrous fantasies go wild
    when they think about this supposedly to happen Redemption and
    'moshiach'. They think it is like the final idol is coming for helping
    them, being their boss forever and then they can live their animalstic
    lives as second rated human cattle of sorts, and that is what they even
    want to see happen. This is what they are sort of prepared to do.

    I don't think this is what it is all about at all, and hence the greater mismatch between what actually needs to happen (which is also the Torah
    of Moshe Rabbeinu), and what they are expecting and readying themselves
    for in a sort of way (including the gentiles). They think it is about
    Tyranny under a good tyrant, forever. I think this is a big mistake.

    It is about finally stop being crazy and irresponsible people, to take
    charge of your real life with the others, together. If there is an agent
    who is proposing these things, then maybe that is a practical necessity
    of operating this game according to the rules of nature, while on the
    other hand: why doesn't every person at least in older age make a
    design around such ideals, and why aren't the vast majority of such
    designs good to go ? This is just part of this 'game' of life on Earth,
    that you can do that. People simply just do _not_ do that, because they
    don't care. They care about themselves and their petty lives, and that's
    it. This is why the mess on Earth continues. It is for the sake of moral
    and intellectual laziness and dishonesty.

    Anyway ... another remark which may play into it is this ...

    title: Torah Ohr: Moshiach: rebuild Temple & ALL JEWS will do ALL Mitzvot! source: Rabbi Tuvia Bolton
    link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-jqLOrvoF4&t=1s

    Reply ...

    "All Jews will do all Mitsvot." ? Have you thought about what that can mean ? When there are 20 horses to be trained, but after trying every which
    way only 1 horse could be trained. How is it possible that all horses
    are trained ? Do you see the answer ? Bonus question: why 20 and 1.

    *

    Understand ? It may not matter what you think. It may not matter what
    you are capable off or not, or how far you are willing to go, for the
    final end result on Earth. You may think it matters, and you are right,
    but that is only for you personally, as you think and worry about
    yourself. You are not necessarily needed to make it happen on Earth.
    Your personal name is not necessarily on the roll of people who will
    certainly live and see the Redemption. Just because you may not be
    willing or able to do what is necessary, does not mean that therefore
    that which is necessary is not going to happen, because you could not do
    that. If you can or are not willing to do what is necessary, that
    ultimately does not block it, it only blocks you yourself from being
    part of it or even seeing it.

    The answer is ... 19 horses have been send to the butcher, and it was
    20:1 because that is 7 times the death rate of the Nazi holocaust.

    Just becaues the Redemption is peace and happiness for all humans on
    Earth, that doesn't mean it is peace & happiness for you personally.
    You may have thought that it was, because that was the lazy way to think
    about things. You wanted that to be true. From there you may have
    computed: because I must be in this, it cannot be more than what I am
    capable and willing to do, and therefore I don't have to improve myself
    much either because if it is going to be what I now think I am willing
    and capable of doing because how else could I be part of it, then I can
    already do that now (by definition), and hence I don't need to do
    anything special to make it. You see how this circular logic works, how
    people can put themselves to sleep with it ? Then when it happens, they
    are not ready and rather than the Redemption waiting even longer on
    them, the cut is made and they suddenly find out they are unfit to live
    on Earth. They lack the skills to make it in this system of peace and
    Justice, or worse they have grown so debased that they can find no
    happiness in a world full of peace & Justice for all.

    Take that as a warning, and maybe you can still make it. I also don't
    know how it will all go, and if there will be like a huge change which
    is very difficult for bad people, or if it will still take tens of
    thousands of years for every corner of the world to eventually be
    conquered by good people. In a Jewish sense however, there is only one Yerushalayim and one Israel, one final Redemption, I suppose. (I also
    follow some other sources here, which seem to suggest there may be a
    somewhat sudden cut off point. Personally, I just don't know. Typically
    I would think that things are drawn out very long, like centuries long
    or more, and happen in all manner of shades in all manner of places and circumstances. Then again, we are in a time of great technological
    changes as well, so who knows how it all will go exactly ...) It is not
    a bad thing to feel some pressure to be morally good, especially not on
    a world like the Earth, with all the evil going on.

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