• What 'new Torah' in Redemption could mean.

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 29 09:04:10 2024
    title: Moshiach and The "New" Torah | Rabbi Yisroel Arye Gootblatt
    source: Yisroel Arye
    link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl_JTwJL7ek

    Reply ...

    The Rabbis changed the reading of the Torah: Rambam Shemita 10:8, prozbul, heter iska, artificial new day moment to break the Shabbos. The Rabbis
    / Pharisees have overthrown: the return of the land in the 50th year
    (the right to land for all), the debt nullification in the 7th year for
    the poor, no rent seeking on loans and (believe it or not) the 7th day
    rest was also overthrown by the Rabbis / Pharisees. 21+ centuries of
    rebellion against the Torah, and no sign of ending it. Anyway, I could speculate that a new Torah which is not new, could mean for example that
    the Rabbis are overthrown by Israel, so that literally the new Torah
    is the old Torah, but different from the destruction of the Torah which
    the Rabbis have caused (overthrowing the Torah economy).

    Then again, this doesn't entirely warrant the word 'new', does it. It
    could also mean that the same actual principles (not Rabbisical principles
    like Rambam's "principles of faith", but the _actual_ principles) behind
    the Torah become known or at least partially known, and that this will
    create a new inspiration to both understand and do the Torah given through Moshe Rabbeinu, but perhaps also other creations of law and living based
    on the same principles. Example: the _free right to land for all_ is
    neither new nor unique to the Torah. Other Nations have done it, although differently, and even more in the past the right to land was a natural
    given. Hence you see how the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu implements this
    principle of right to land with its Jubilee (overthrown by the Rabbis),
    but if you understand the deeper principle behind the economics of it
    (which are actually known already to humanity, but most people just don't
    care to know), then you could make a system of law which is different
    from the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu, yet accomplishes the same objective.

    I think the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu illustrates this itself, by
    legislating for one tribe for the women to also have land. If the Torah
    was some kind of magical formula, then you couldn't just do that, you
    couldn't just change that. Everything would be completely fixated. But no,
    not a problem: the women in that tribe can have land, even though the
    other tribes live different. You see from this that there is a deeper
    principle at work. I can pretty much guarantee you that if a tribe had
    come to Jehoshua ben Nun and asked: can we please sell our land to each
    other, so that the buyer may own it permanently, that the answer would
    be "absolutely no, never". To allow markets in and in purpetuity is
    a massive failure of thinking and understanding. The Torah also makes
    that explicit: you shall not sell the land in perpetuity. You see that
    they are implementing a principle, an understanding. They knew what they
    where doing. Unlike the Rabbis, I guess.

    The Rabbis have overthrown these laws, didn't understand what they
    where doing, and are causing the exile. Israel needs to overthrow the
    Rabbis, or at least Rambam and Hillel. Sorry if you don't like it, but
    the truth is the truth. By the way, when I think about this 'moshiach'
    deal, that everyone is supposed to "believe in him", I think this is
    idolatry talking. It will probably be more like the law of Pythagoras,
    about the square angled triangle. The law is called by his name,
    and everyone knows it is true, but that doesn't mean we "believe in Pythagoras". We just know that he had it right, that it is true. I think
    it will and should be more like that. It isn't about the personality,
    which the idolators always think that it is. It is just about the truth
    which is already in the world, and it is true for everyone. Discovering
    this law of Pythagoras doesn't make Pythagoras into a god or super human,
    and we don't have to believe in this person in any way whatsoever, he
    may even have been a bad person. It will be more like that, although
    the idolators will probably love to play their games.

    So, Israel, how about some Teshuvah ? I mean, Rabbis, how about some
    Teshuvah ? Do you have any fear of heaven ? Aren't you afraid of being
    wrong ? You think you can just mess up the Torah, the truth, and it will
    all end well ? Who has the power in the world again: your or HKB'H. Why
    are you not afraid of being wrong. Your God seems to have said: return to
    him, and he will return to you. You don't have to be afraid of admitting
    you have been wrong, you should be afraid of not admitting you have been
    wrong. There is no way out of this for you, Rabbis. You will _always_
    have been wrong with your Rambam, it will never change. You can never
    make the lie become truth. You tried that for 21+ centuries, and it is
    still as wrong today as it was then. You Israel, you the same, you listen
    to these people like idolators listen to the priest cast of some random
    statue. You have your own responsibility, as the Rabbi said: the Torah
    is not in heaven, it is right in your hand, you know it and you can
    do it. Hence you know that what I write here is the truth. You _know_
    the prozbul is fraud. This guilt makes you liable. Don't make me quate
    the punishment section again, ok ? Do Teshuvah, today, and who knows
    you have just started the Redemption. Why not ?! Action please. Have a
    guten shabbos.

    Look, you can delay all you want, you can never change the Torah or the
    truth, never. It is no use to hope the truth will go away, or that the
    guilt of follownig Rambam will go away by itself, until you stop doing
    it. That is the only way. Pythagoras also cannot force triangles to
    do anything, he can only describe it and bow his head to what is the
    truth. You are waiting on nothing, if you think Rabbinical frauds will
    become truth. It will not happen. You are only hurting yourself with it.

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    The Rabbis drag Israel to hell.

    It should not be underestimated, how much loss of Torah is created
    within Israel, because of the additions made up by the Rabbis /
    Pharisees to the Torah. They have made up so many additions, that it is
    off putting.

    On the other hand, they took away from the Torah, and that means the
    Torah does not provide the Justice and Peace it can and should. For
    example, it does not give you a real rest day anymore, and even if you
    rest from work, the Rabbis make up so many additional rules to comply
    with, that it just seems to become a full time job to be Jewish, even on
    the 7th day.

    Walking around with a box tied to your head and pretending that this is
    keeping the Torah, is just silly, isn't it. The Rabbis behavior can push
    people away from the Torah entirely. You don't even get your freedom
    anymore, which is your land, because they ruined that too.

    Do not be surprised, if more than 95% of the Jewish people lay dead
    within 20 years.

    Germany: * After World War 1, 1919, Versaille treaty caused impossible debt.
    There was also a lot of war debt. There was also a lot of
    speculative debt in the 1920 Germany (IIRC).

    ! * Augest 1921, German central bank begins buying "hard cash" with
    "paper" (wikipedia, not necessarily trustworthy on this topic, but
    who knows it might at least be true to a degree:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic

    * +3 years after wild money printing , 1924: currency crisis.

    * -1 to +9 years after wild money printing, Period of moral decay:
    ... 'Roaring Twenties" ... (similar decay to what is currently
    called LBGTQ+).

    * +8 years after wild money printing, 1929, Great Depression

    * +12 years after wild money printing, 1933 Hitler takes power,
    Holocaust starts.

    * +18 years after wild money printing, 1939 World War 2 starts

    * +22 years after wild money printing, 1943 height of the
    holocaust. Everyone who was against the corrupt and criminal
    banking system was being destroyed, the Jewish people as a
    whole where destroyed in the areas the Nazis occupied. USA
    ruling class helped the Nazis do it, which is now kept hidden
    for obvious reasons.

    * +24 years after wild money printing, 1945, end of World War 2.
    Russia defeats the Nazis. USA uses the opportunity to conquest
    much of Europe easily, pretending to be liberators, and then
    shielding a lot of top Nazis from Justice, while using certain
    Nazis again to set up the European Union (!), and to try to
    entrench their global super state 'United Nations". The war was
    a massive success for the USA. It made these Nazi financiers
    a global Empire. In Roman style, they denied it, pretending to
    bring civilization, while taking Tribute and soldiers for their
    campaigns from the conquered Nations. Just like Empires noted
    in the Torah, they labored to erase borders between Nations,
    attempting to rule them all. We see how real that is in our
    area. Literally the border between the Netherlands and Germany
    is as hard to see as the border between Dutch provinces. It is
    merely a road sign, as if you enter some village. (I crossed
    that border recently twice, on the bicycle.) Just adding
    this, so that you realize that this is not an Empire of peace
    and love. It is an Empire of lies, murder and looting, as
    usual. They just played it in such a way that they kept their
    power, while the Russians played it differently, and then
    they collased sooner.

    From when money printing started, it took 24 years for the whole thing
    to play out, and Germany suffered its greatest defeat, while the Jewish
    people suffered the holocaust (being almost entirely wiped out in much
    of Europe).

    In the current environment, money printing started in 2008. It is now
    2024, so that is (raughly) +16 years since money printing started. The situation is of course different in many ways, although also similar
    in many ways. The Empire is much bigger (global), but it has
    essentially the same economic and State system (Capitalist Parliament).
    Will history move faster because technology has sped up everything ?
    Will history move slower, because the Empire is so much larger ? Will it
    move slower because there is more historical resistance to Fascism ?
    Will it move faster because the criminals already had a round of
    experience with it all, and therefore they know what to do and how to
    improve their operations ?

    In any case, the enemy (of mankind) has been busy with recreating
    Fascist political alternatives everywhere, and is already succeeding in bringing them to power (including in the Netherlands, which shows how
    easy it is to control people). They do it by bringing in large amounts
    of refugees, and then trying to antagonize the population with these
    refugees. For the Nazis the Jewish people where these refugees /
    immigrants. Today it seems, people are being brought in to perform this political function for the enemy. Nevertheless, the Jewish people may
    also again end up being the target in the end, one way or the other.

    The USA is an idolatrous people, with their insane Yoshke the Bastard
    nonsense religion. When the Americans get put under enough economic
    strain, they may blow up in anger over a religious vector, and take it
    out on the Jewish people. They believe that "every knee shall bend" to
    their idol, and they could make that real by murdering everyone who
    doesn't comply with their will. If this isn't enough danger, then the
    left wing of politics is currently more and more hyped up about the
    Zionist state its war against Hamas. If they decide on deportations of
    Jewish people of some kind, it could lead to another holocaust as well.

    Within the Middle East, Israel is surrounded by Muslem Nations, who seem
    to be increasingly angry with the Jewish people. If the political tide
    in the west turns against the Jewish people in general, the Zionist
    State may be without many of its current resources to wage war, which
    could lead to a victory of those Muslem Nations/Empires (if HKB'H allows
    it, for reason of punishment of the Jewish people). The Muslems also
    seem to have believes that they will be victorious over the Jewish
    people in the end, and they may be reliving those ideas while assaulting
    the Zionist State.

    If all this wasn't bad enough, we have these severe autists on
    dani18.com literally saying that heaven is going to throw large
    asteroids on Earth, especially on the USA but also Europe will suffer
    heavy flooding damage. I don't know if this ends up being true, but
    since humanity seems to want to go into space to conquer it by force and
    to just misbehave themselves in general, this might even be a Cosmic
    answer to humanity: no, you are not allowed to leave your planet this
    way, we don't want this mess flying between the stars. WHo knows ? It is theoretically possible, but I do not know of any evidence for it.
    Apparently it was talked about in the Zohar (book).

    Personally, I always saw life on Earth as a long war between good and
    evil, and it was ultimately going to be: either them, or us. Either the criminals win and the good people are exterminated, or the other way
    around: good people win, and the criminals will be ended. These two
    sides do not ultimately go together, despite what some people seem to
    think. If good people do not want to get "their act together", then the criminals are going to do their worst, and have more and more attempts
    at this total final victory. This victory is a sort of Dystopian
    Tyranny, with the criminals on top and everyone being their slaves.
    This is what they want, and it already happened many times in history
    for this or other Nations. Many Nations have had periods where the
    criminals where the boss, and that is what they want again of course.
    It is what they live for, on a small one on one scale, to whatever scale
    they can, including global and forever. They think of life as a fight
    for dominance.

    It is quite clear that "the good guys" do *not* want to even think about getting "their act together", hence we can expect the criminals to
    remain at the initiative. The Rabbis do not want to return to the Torah,
    and neither does Israel. Nobody seems to be willing to seriously think
    about how we can live and work well together, and the one in a year
    person who does want to think about it, that's where it tends to end.
    Even if a few people want to do better, that is just not going to be
    enough. You need millions of people to make a significant impact in
    their own area, or at least many thousands of active people, who get at
    least some help or agreement from less active people. This does not
    exist.

    The opposition to the criminals is historically weak: labor unions are
    weak and are not active on the important political questions. They limit themselves to making small scale improvements for working people. This
    is good, but is not ultimately going to be enough. We already had labor
    unions, yet the Nazis happened anyway. The sphere of political parties
    is increasingly just completely lost. Naive and shortsighted initiative
    is all that seems to exist these days, they seem to have little or no historical perspective, may have some objectives often around particular
    needs and wants of their constituency. They either do not propose
    serious improvements for the economy or the State democracy, or they
    have in their background dangerously misguided ideas about such issues,
    or they do propose something interesting at least (usually nothing more
    than a binding Referendum, with little to no heed given to how dangerous something like the European Union, USA or United Nations will become),
    but then when push comes to shove they turn out to cave in. They say it,
    but they don't do it. They are corrupt, they are lying.

    Israel religiously is also corrupt, and you could call things listed in
    Jewish law above as lying as well. The political strife in the Zionist
    Rebel State probably does not even need to be inspected, to know that
    it is not going great there either. Compared to the Torah, such as the
    right to land for all for free: they obviously fail (which could be due
    to Rabbinical frauds such as Rambam his Mishneh Torah, Shemita 10:8).

    Such is the situation in the world. The focus has already shifted to
    World War 3, which is currently developing and escalating in both Ukraine
    and in Israel, with probably other trouble spots in the world which
    might also flare up sooner or later, if they don't do that already.

    *

    I knew humanity doesn't want peace, not real peace anyway. I knew the
    truth would be rejected, that much was obvious. All this is merely the preparation. The program I have proposed is ready I guess (although I'm
    slowly working on some kind of 8 page A5 flyer now, because of the
    constant complaints that it is too long to read despite the system being
    its own summary if you actually bothered reading it).

    It is the same for the enemy: all this is merely the preparation. They
    want to destroy the current world, and then initiate their global
    Tyranny, which may well look nice at the beginning, except that so much
    of the power will go to a central core, place, and/or clique, even if
    they manage to hide that to a degree (which they can unlikely really
    hide well). They want to create a big crisis, to get people to accept
    their increasingly strong handed central rule.

    The program I propose does not need such a shock. It prefers society to
    go on as peaceful and long as possible, and the program I am proposing
    is just slowly working its way into it and through it, both stabilizing
    what is good and slowly changing what is not so good. Nevertheless, a
    shock will likely activate people to start thinking and acting better,
    and at that point I hope the imagination of the people will grab on to
    what I have been proposing for so long. I think that this is a real
    chance, a chance worth taking. Since the destruction of the enemy will
    be so great (global nuclear World War 3, with associated Tyranny,
    hardships and so on), I suggest to download the PDF I am proposing, and
    even printing it to paper if you can. While I admit that it needs work
    because it is in manuscript form, which means that some sentences are
    not optimal and some parts are just probably not reading well, the
    overall ideas are plenty clear (I believe at least). This is not a book
    with some vague hand waving, like you normally see. It is precise and
    detailed, exactly like a recipe book for action and Constitution of a
    Nation. It contains a full size Constitution, and the ways to get there.

    Very simple page with the necessary links, it also includes a source
    document (!) in ODT format.

    https://www.socialism.nl/book4/

    Can this book make the difference in the future of humanity, even into
    forever ? Hard to believe as it may be, I think there are scenarios
    where this single book, without anything else that is currently unknown,
    could make the entire difference. If you read it, you would probably
    know that this statement is not as bold as it might appear.

    Nevertheless, human behavior is often quite disappointing, and therefore
    I do not expect miracles in the short term from any program whatsoever. Ultimately it is all about how people behave. While you can make a
    beautiful garden with the right tools and program, you can also make it
    a terrible place with those same tools. It is all up to you and us. I
    see this book as a way to get all the noses of good people pointing in a similar direction, and to organize good people like is not currently
    happening (not in one organization, by the way, on the contrary), to
    make them effective. To get good people to stop fighting each other, to
    bridge the Divide & Conquer. The idea is that good and skilled people
    will be capable of reaching results better than before, because they
    follow a more effective program.

    The learned people of Israel should be among the first to think about
    with such a program, but (predictably) they don't want (for now). We
    shall see how people think after the global nuke war, and whatever
    Tyrannies and other periods of suffering may have to be endured ...

    --
    Economic & political ideology, worked out into Constitutional models,
    with a multi-facetted implementation plan. http://market.socialism.nl

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