• "Jeebus is your messiah", 2 Billion people, true ! (not like that)

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 10 20:50:40 2024
    About 2 Billion people or so (western idolators & Moslems) say to the
    Jewish people: Jeebus the Faker is your Messiah. They are right, if you
    listen to it with the right ears. Isn't it interesting from a Jewish perspective, which means that Hashem makes everything and does
    everything, and does everything for the Jewish people in this world,
    that there came about some 2 Billion people who tell the Jewish people
    that Jeebus the Faker is their 'Messiah' (Messiah basically means
    something like King, High Priest or Supreme Judge, it is near the highest office you can have in the Torah, just below being a prophet or of
    course, Moshe Rabbeinu himself, because the Prophet appoints the
    anointed one, and I at least would think that the Prophet is therefore
    above the anointed one, but anyway I digress, sorry ...).

    There are about 10-15 Million Jewish persons in the world now, many of
    whom are very far away from the Torah, and many can be even further from
    the Torah than many gentiles are. If we take:
    2 × 10⁹ (2 Billion) / 10 × 10⁶ (10 Million), we get = 200.
    For every Jew, there are 200 persons who seem to claim that Jeebus is
    the boss, King, law maker, highest human authority (etc) over the Jewish people. Even if we lower this 2 Billion by 90%, that is still a crazy 20 persons in the world for every Jew who tells them: Jeebus the Faker is
    your 'Messiah'. Where do these people live ? Right around Eretz Yisroel
    (land of Israel): the middle east to the South, East and North, and then
    a large amount of such people to the North-West, which is precisely
    where many of them (many Jewish people) ended up in the exile. Then we
    have the Roman Empire, who changed into the Jeebus idolatry religion,
    etc. These people are all around Israel, all around !

    Further away people ? The Indians don't care, they have there several
    thousand absurd gods religion, and have more than a party or two with
    them (as well as the bone chilling poverty which comes with all this
    madness, I guess, such as their cursed caste system). Anyway, the point
    has been made ;-).

    Hence the question becomes: why did heaven put this line of text, to be
    spoken to the Jewish people, during much of this current long exile:
    'Jeebus the Faker is your Messiah'. I think the usual way the Jewish
    people heard this sentence, is in exactly the way the confused gentiles
    meant it: as if this is supposedly true, but obviously it is not true. Fortunately the Jewish people rightly rejected Jeebus the Faker.

    It seems you should hear the sentence like so: You - Jewish people -
    live in such a way, you are so lawless and unkind to each other, that
    it is as if you have chosen a Faker like Jeebus to be your King, teacher
    and god, who said horrible things like: I am here to make war in your household, so that all the family members are at odds with each other,
    and other insane and absurd things this Faker idol from Rome has said.

    "You live as if Jeebus the Faker is your Messiah!" is (in my view) the
    correct hearing of the sentence "Jeebus the Faker is your Messiah!"
    It is like saying exactly the same to some bad person: "The devil is
    your mother, and Satan is your teacher !". Nobody of course believes
    that the devil actually is this guy his mother, it is a figure of
    speech. He lives, his character is such, as if the devil was his mother
    (Father ? Sorry if I got confused on this.)

    Now you can brush this off as just stupid, but you can not because this
    is not merely the raving and ranting of a Usenet lunatic with nothing
    better to do because the shops are closed and there is no milk chocolate
    in the house (well there is, but okay ;-). Two Billion people, case
    closed. All around Israel. Case closed. You have to take note of this
    seeming crazyness, because your God is the God of all, and everything he
    does is for you. He is sending you a message ? Obviously, I dare say,
    obviously ! You say, it is not so ? Stop for a moment, and think of the
    scale of it all. Think of how many long years, how many generations
    already, this madness about Jeebus is plaguing you. This is human work ?
    What does that even mean, in a believe that humans are clay in the hands
    of your great and awesome God, the Creator of *everything* (including
    all the crazy idols of India, albeit indirectly perhaps, making humans
    who made those gods up).

    How many years already ? Oh, and you brush this off as nothing,
    interesting.
    How many people ? For how long ? Oh, right, but you brush this off as
    nothing ?
    Where do they all live ? Oh, just around Yerushalayim in a huge circle
    of thousands and thousands of kilometers, but you think it has no other
    meaning than being a pest ?

    There are other reasons though, such as that you where to be sifted
    through the Nations, and so it makes sense that those who are
    susceptible to this idolatry around Jeebus, would then be sifted out and
    this would cleanse Israel. This is a pretty good believe also, but why
    can't it be both ? If you go by the works of your God, aren't they
    brilliant ? I would already assume there is not just two, but like a
    thousand reasons, most of which we might simply not understand yet, but
    they are there. A thousand, I don't know, a random number, because I
    don't know, but we ought to assume a level of genius far far above our
    own best geniusses, very far beyond. This is also in the Tanach (IIRC).

    So, what does this Jeebus the Faker "tell" his followers ? Basically, lawlessness, but "be kind" - and even though this may not technically be accurate if you read the text (Jeebus was quite the weirdo, including
    being an instigator of Cannibalism), his followers act this way: lawless kindness. They won't call it lawless, and they sure make up a lot of
    their own laws. Case in point !

    This is what your Hillel the Elder did. Apparently he was friendly, and
    that's good. What is not so good, is that he made fake law, like the
    prosbul. You act like Hillel the Faker is your 'messiah', who made laws
    which now allow you to avoid following the Torah (but it doesn't). You
    also fail to do the Torah now in Eretz Yisroel, even though you
    nominally conquered it of sorts. Where is the Jubilee on land ? I
    thought Jehoshua ben Nun helped set the precedent: when Israel conquers
    land, the first thing which happens is they divide it to all. Why ?
    Because they are a good people, and they follow the law of Moshe
    Rabbeinu. They want justice, happiness and peace for all. Isn't that
    amazing ? The world will eventually see and understand, and then want to
    be like them. The whole world will become a paradise, and humans will
    live many meaningful and wonderful lives here, with many adventures, and
    it will be all one huge big and amazing creation !!!

    But ... but, sigh. It didn't happen. Jeebus the Faker is your Messiah.
    Hillel the Faker is your 'messiah'. You gave up, chose a different King
    than the one you had (Hashem). Jeebus the Faker is your King. That is
    not saying that Jeebus the Faker is your King, but it is like an insult,
    an accusation: you live as if Jeebus the Faker (called "Jesus" by the idolators, Jesus from Nazareth, whatever, better known as Joshke the
    Bastard and quite rightly so; I agree with this at least (lol)) is your
    King, like your King is the Devil !

    You, Israel, need to *stop* making Joshke the Bastard you King, which is exactly what you did, exactly while thinking you never did. No, you did
    just that, and 2 Billion people are in place to remind you of it day and
    night. They aren't close to stopping, either, are they ! It just keeps
    getting worse sometimes, it seems. Of coures I don't agree with these idolators, because they mean it the wrong way. They are the self
    admitted followers of Joshke the Bastard, whom they take for being a
    great person, just like you take Hillel the Faker the liar the traitor
    the Elder for being a great person, or your Rambam the Faker even for a
    second Moshe (how dare you).

    So lost you are, Israel. It looks like only Catastrophe can save the
    few, the 'remnant' as Isaiah says. You need to be shocked hard, much
    harder than during the Nazi holocaust, for exactly what the person who
    reads this days or weeks after I posted it, but did exactly this;
    NOTHING. This lameness and deafness, this moral laziness, will then be
    shocked out of the few who will survive it, and the rest ... I am sorry
    to say, but they will probably die, die by the thousands and the
    hundreds of thousands.

    Why have you let it come to this ? Is your hard neck worth it ? Are you
    happy now, if you read this after all the bloodshed is over ? Are you
    happy with yourselves, that you have let it come to this ?

    The whole world, from North to South pole, is like a letter to you
    Israel. The Nations are letters, heaven is arranging them into
    words, which you can read century by century, the sentences form.
    It is a letter to you. The whole world is one big sheet of paper, and
    Hashem is writing on it, a letter to you. The Nations are nothing more
    than letters, and all their wars and madness, it is nothing more than
    the words in a letter to you. It is a love letter, because only such
    love can move so many people for your benefit. However, the letter
    contains warnings and advice for you: do this, and do not do that. It is
    not even merely the usual history from which we can learn, which would
    be part of the natural order. It goes beyond that, it becomes
    crystalized into an actual human sentence, which your ears hear as human
    spoken words, and which has the greatest value for your future if you
    cared to listen, if you heard the voice of your God through the madness
    of the humans voicing what they don't understand: Joshke the Bastard is
    your Messiah, Joshke the Bastard is your Messiah ...

    Stop listening to joshke the Bastard, the lawless kindness one, and
    return to your Torah instead.

    Stop listening to Hillel the Faker, the traitor the liar with his
    prosbul, return to your 7th year debt nullification as I ordered you in
    the words of Moshe Rabbeinu. Stop living as if Joshke the Bastard is
    your Messiah, and make me your God again, your King, so that you will
    live and *truly* be kind for each other, rather than this kindness of
    weirdness which is promoted by Joshke the Bastard, including his
    Cannibalism and his house of war.

    Joshke the Bastard is your Messiah.

    Stop & return, so that you will live.

    It is a cry of love for you, from heaven. Don't you see it ? I know you
    are more than smart enough to see it. I want to know what else you can discover, in this vein of things. Let me know ! Have a good day.

    Oy oy oy, how much longer will they play deaf and lame, how much longer
    will they be idolators before their Sages, relying on their pride,
    being held back by their fears and doubt, how long will their unbased accusations continue, when will they finally bend their neck for the
    truth, as we all will have to do sooner or later. You can postpone it,
    you can do it quick, but it cannot be avoided in the end. Get it over
    with, and save yourselves the pain and the shame.

    Oh but you are afraid of making a mistake !
    Really, you are ???? You see my point here ?! oy oy oy .....

    All power is with the truth, understand ? Since I push you on a lie, to
    get you to admit and do better, on this very topic your power is nill.
    You have zero power, merely shame, a wound of regret. You are already
    on the ground crying about your failing, even if you don't know it yet.
    That is what I see. This is why I am *completely unimpressed* by *any*
    sort of agression, or anger or rejecting you might feel towards what I
    write or even my person. I am with the truth on this, at least on the
    essential point (prosbul is a lie, heter iska is a lie, the land MUST
    be distributed and should have never been anything else either, and
    thas is basically my message for you). Since I side with the truth on
    this matter, and you side with the lie, your power is zero, and my
    power is infinite. Understand ? Other topics ? It can be completely
    different, but this is what I want to talk to you about, and press on
    with you, I want you to change this, for your own sake.

    You can say: but my Rabbe doesn't support any of this, and because you
    don't do this or you don't do that, your Yermulka is not our color
    (well to be fair, I often wear a racing bike cap while riding my bike,
    does that count ? ;-), and because you aren't born Jewish, and because
    ofd this and because of that and because of such and because of so and
    because of something else and because ... YOU DON't WORSHIPU OUR SAGES
    LIKE YOUR IDOLS AS WE DO (which is what this is really about, isn't
    it), we don't even want to listen to a word you say, and regard you as
    a fool, a liar and even a danger.

    Fine, think that (as if I didn't know). The price will be yours,
    because you sided with the lie, and I sided with the truth on this,
    and the matter is extremely obvious. This is nothing like how long your
    socks should be (needless to say, I follow the Code for which Merxks
    is our Prophet as well as I can on this and other issues of race biking
    code of law), or if you can or cannot make fire on Shabbos now in the
    modern times when fire is a flick of a button, which you can argue for
    both sides. The prosbul cannot be argued on both sides, from the Torah.

    You can argue the fire issue in the Torah both sides; it says "no fire"
    but it also says "no hard work" and fire making used to be very hard
    work back then, and so you can argue that it was in there *because* it
    is hard work ,and now is no longer in there *because* it is not hard
    work anymore at all (sometimes not even the flick of a button, but
    completely computerized). While I am on the side of it being allowed if
    it is now in modern times not hard work, I know you can argue it both
    ways, and this is not the topic I press you on all the time. I see that
    the other side still has a point, argued from the Torah itself, even
    when I disagree with it.

    The prosbul is different. It's proponents do not argue it from the
    Torah ! They argue it from their own mindlessness and fake logic,
    saying: the rich didn't lend anymore, and so we just cancelled the law,
    and call it beautiful. This is not an argument from the Torah, and also
    it is an illogical argument. Judaism however comes from the Torah, but
    these law breakers don't even try to argue it from the Torah, they go
    to supposed logic, and they completely fail at that also. It is a loss
    loss argument, completely nill. You even called it a fake law of sorts ?

    This is why you have basically nothing to stand on. You just
    *pontificate* like this character in Rome, the Pontifex Maximus, the
    old Roman high priest. He says it is so, and therefore it is so, even
    if it is completely phony and false. That's how you ended up
    overturning the Torah, and then your God, the Mighty one, he overturned
    you, hoping and waiting for you to return, to learn something and do
    better next time.

    It doesn't matter what my cap looks like, or how hard I ride on the 40
    km time trial. This is an argument about the Torah. It doesn't matter
    if I went to your Yeshivas, studied at your fake Yeshivas where they
    teach Sages such as Hillel the Traitor and Rambam the Faker. How can I
    study at such fraudulent places ? How can I first graduate from one of
    your fraudulent places, run my own crew of Jewish followers, and THEN
    my argument can be heard ?! I first need to become a catholic priest,
    before I can criticize this criminal gang at the Vatican ? I first need
    to join organized crime, before I can object to its operations ?

    You heard my argument, and you aren't so dumb that you don't
    understand the logic of it, the truth of it, the Torah of it. I better
    stop this endless writing now, before I start diving into all the
    details of why the prosbul is objectively wrong (done that in spades).

    Face the fact that a jobless fool in the Netherlands can correct you on
    major parts of Judaism. Don sackcloth and ashes that you have stooped
    so long that this could happen, cry to your God for forgiveness and
    give plentifull loans to be nullified, to show you mean it. Can't do it ?
    How can you be a follower of Moshe Rabbeinu the Brave, or Abraham the
    Just the Brave, great heroes of human history ? You are not ? Ah ok,
    then don't, and stop complaining or asking for a Redemption or peace.
    Right ?

    "But he isn't nice to us, he used rough words" (you whining about me).
    Read the above, what was that again about the Kind Lawless one ?

    Joshke the Bastard is your Messiah !

    You get the point. I apologize for being rude though, but goodness
    sakes for how long do I need to keep going like this ? Just give up and
    become like you ? Cave in for the lie, ignore it and get along with the
    others, don't rock the boat, stop caring about the truth so much ? I
    don't think so, NEVER. ;-) (lol)

    NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER !!!!!!! Not for you, not for
    anybody. Shame, misery and death, such are the awards given by the lie.
    I don't need that.

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