source: Rav Yaakov Kaminetzky's View on the Establishment of the State of Israel
title: Rabbi Daniel Glatstein Official
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB_1w6SVzAY

[The Rav explained how the opinion of Rav Yaakaov Kaminetzky was, that
the Zionist State strengthened the believe of Jewish people, who might otherwise be lost, and that this was a similarity with the second Beit Hamkidash (2nd Temple).]

The Zionist State as an invitation to misbehave and to contrast the
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Final Redemption

If it is ok, I would like to give an argument to the matter, because
it all sounds very optimistic but I am doubtful of it being true or the
whole story in the end. _More Jewish people being around at the finish
line for the Geulah (Redemption)_ sounds wonderful, but is it true when
we know that klal Yisroel (the holy Nation, the light to the Nations)
has allowed parades of impurity in Yerushalayim. The point is: there
may be Jewish people, born Jewish people, living in Eretz Yisroel now,
and they will quite likely be around when the Redemption happens, but
how does this square with the behavior expected from Israel (to do the
Torah, to do the truth, to live for peace and justice). Crying ... you
can only be crying when you think about it ...

The Torah has *the death penalty* for homosexuality, for example, and
that is just one of many examples. These people may be around when the
Geulah happens, are they going to change their minds and behavior from promoting bad behavior, to be strong and reliable _for all eternity_ ?
Is that kind of an event part of the usual way things are going, both
in the Torah (Judaism), and actual history, as well as what we know
about people in real life (how quickly they change their behavior) ?

Therefore I would offer another opinion, but preface it by saying that:
reality is incredibly complicated because there are too many people for
us mere humans to wrap our heads around. Every human has a name, has
a story, is doing something right now: who can contain it all in their
mind, besides HBK'H ? Hence, any opinion about what the Zionist State is,
can well be true for an amount of people. There may be a Jewish person,
who was loosing their hope, who was strengthened by the Zionist State,
and who upon seeing the trouble of this State and the injustices which
happen within it, came to the conclusion that the Jewish people need
the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu.

However, there may also be people for whom just the opposite is true:
they where hanging on by the pressure of the hatred of the gentiles
with nowhere else to turn but to the Torah, who found themselves free
to do whatever kind of wildness within the Zionist State and its areas,
and then lost their connection to justice & peace, are now reveling in
their life as a gentile and have turned _against_ the Torah actively.

Since we are humans, we can only simplify things in order to contain them
in our heads, or have a few or more opinions side by side which may all be
true in some sort of way. We can then still try to weigh these opinions,
to see which one carries most of the weight, is seemingly the most
true. In the end there might be a positive, neutral, and negative view
on the Zionist State. Is it strengthening the truth, is it destroying
justice, or does it not really matter in the end either way (neutral
on balance).

It seems to me that a lot of Jewish people today, think that the Zionist
State is a credible entity, and they support its continued existence, especially those who live there. It is however a State which does not
follow the Torah. There is no Jubilee on land. Dividing the land for
all was the first thing done after it was conquered with Jehoshua ben
Nun, and then the Jubilee on the land was instituted, so that the land
would always be free and could not be _sold in perpetuity._ This in stark contrast to what the gentiles are doing, who usually are into selling land (although not all of them where, but this corruption seems to almost
have destroyed all remnants of freedom to land in this world). Hence,
the Zionist State is an example of a Jewish State _without_ the Torah.

We can also see that the Jewish people in general have broken with the
Torah in important respects, and this was a corruption already present
before the Nazi holocaust. It has been said that the Jewish people in
Germany and Europe generally where loosing their Torah. We can ask the
Torah itself about the matter: what happens when the Jewish people are
loosing their way, what does the Torah itself say ? Does the Torah say,
that when the Jewish people loose their way, if they become more and
more lawless, break the Torah more and more, that they will then hit
on a lucky break like a Redemption, to make sure they do not completely
get lost, and if so how does this _lucky break_ look like ?

I read this in the Torah, but correct me if wrong: the Jewish people will
be punished if they break the Torah, and if there is a _lucky break_
for them (to put it that way, sorry), it is that the punishment will
force an amount of Jewish people to come back to the Torah. The result
of the law breaking is not happiness and Redemption "because otherwise
they would be lost", but rather the opposite: being repressed, cast out,
even murdered. When Israel leaves the Torah, their God leaves Israel,
and without any super natural protection left, death is suddenly close
by. While it may be true that if the Jewish people had stayed any longer
in Egypt, then they would never have left it, the leaving of Egypt
seems to have cost the vast majority of Jewish people their lives,
because they already _did not leave_ and (as far as I understand it)
they died in Egypt and disappeared that way. Incidentally, the entire generation was also lost in the desert, except for a few, with their
children instead making it to Israel. The whole affair seems to have
been quite difficult. Most people died, but in the end, those that
made it lived the Redemption. It may have been a good thing in the end,
but it was rather the opposite of people who break more and more laws,
suddenly getting rescued. It seems to have been more like: those who
break the law get taken away, they die, and only those who want the
truth survive to then build the future together.

We can now project this idea unto the Zionist State: it may be a State
where Israel can finally experience their own Sovereignty again, and
what it will mean for Israel to live without the Torah, to live like the gentiles. This is law breaking (in the view of the Torah), obviously. When
this State will collapse, according to the curses section in the Torah,
the law breakers generally die. Those who see where the lawlessness of the Zionist State has led to in the end, the collapse and the disaster (still
to come), perhaps this experience will educate them on the importance of
the Torah, and laws such as the Jubilee on land, or to cancel loans in
the 7th year (ruined by Hillel the Elder), or not to ask interest on loans (damaged by Rambam/Maimonides). From experiencing the worsened failure of
life, not unlike the injustice of living in Egypt was worse in the end
than not living in Egypt before going there, a *remnant* of the Jewish
people might realize the importance of the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu, and
do away with all the law breaking which has happened during the Zionist
State, to go completely against all that lawlessness, and that might
become the final Redemption. Then the third Beit Hamikdash may be built
and/or descend from heaven, and those who want to live for the truth
and for peace, will live there forever, to be a light unto the Nations
and by so acting, save humanity in general if they wish to hear and do.

I hope it will happen soon, and that anyone who read this will make
it to that time and place, or at least not suffer too much. (Sorry to
go on about it, but I think it is relevant to realize that from the
current state / State, the Redemption has to be quite a different thing,
and it will require a significant effort to make it happen. The point of
that is: do not think that you have arrived, and it is just a few formal
steps away to call this the Redemption. Rather it is quite the opposite -
in my view at least - this what is happening now is a low point and fast worsening, with those who break the law not being saved in the end, but
rather being destroyed in the end, rejected and cast out, unfit to live
in the Redemption. This is _important_ to know, because rather than do
less, a whole lot more caring for each other and the truth is necessary,
than what is happening now, perhaps even 100 times more is needed, _also_
from the so-called Rabbis and their following, who are _also_ breaking the
law, while pretending just the opposite. Nothing is hidden, everything
is known, you can fool people but you cannot fool heaven. Everything is
always on the big screen. Stop playing around: cancel the prosbul now,
cancel the heter iska now, demand the Jubilee on land now, and other
things. Being hard necked is not an excuse to be hard necked, is it ? ;-)
lol. Have a guten Shabbos.

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