• Comparing Kristallnacht with "Oct 7" 2023: it was 7 times worse (!)

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 5 09:04:41 2024
    title: Why Do Jews Suffer So Much? -Rabbi Tovia Singer
    link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77GIM_7iwLE&t=997s
    source: Tovia Singer

    Comment:

    Hello. You compared Kristallnacht (Nazis attacking Jewish stores in
    Germany) with Oct 7, Hamas. We know that Kristallnacht was the start of something much much worse. We also know that the Torah warns the Jewish
    people to return to the Torah, or your next punishment is *7 times worse* (paraphrased).

    Kristallnacht was 91+ deaths according to Wikipedia, you put it at 92,
    some source suggested it may even have been hundreds. Oct 7 is thought
    to have been 695 Israeli civilians according to _France 24,_ 4 missing,
    so probably 699 deaths. 92 × 7 = 644, 695 ÷ 7 = 99. Very close.

    You see that it is close to 7 times more deaths. In the Kristallnacht
    also tens of thousands of Jewish people where kidnapped, and repression
    began. In the case of the Hamas attack a war against Hamas started. in
    that sense, the events are quite different. However it seems to hold true
    that it may both end up being the start of the next round of punishment
    on the Jewish people, for not keeping themselves to the Torah, such as
    the Jubilee on land or its financial laws which have been overthrown by Rabbinical Judaism (Hillel the Elder _prosbul,_ Rambam _heter iska)._
    We _now_ know what Kristalnacht eventually led to, but we do not know
    yet what the current events will lead to. That was a start of violence,
    and this is a start of violence. That was close to 100 deaths, this is
    close to 700 deaths. Roughly 7 times more. Do you see the warning ? Do
    you see the warning ?

    HKB'H warned in his Torah: *7 times worse.* That was a warning. I think it
    is within the rules of the Torah, to see if that warning was a warning,
    and where it applies, because the Torah could have said "much worse"
    but it chose to say "7 times worse", and there must be a reason for
    that. You have to return to the Torah. 7 holocausts all at once is going
    to be serious. Have a good day.

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    [Added on Usenet.]

    You see how the Jewish people simply don't listen, they flat out ignore
    what is in their face, which is the Torah. While I can understand that
    it is hard for a small amount of dedicated Rabbis to force the Zionist
    State to follow the precedent set by Jehoshua ben Nun in following the
    laws given through Moshe Rabbeinu, and to celebrate the Jubilee on the
    land, at the least you can stop lying about the financial laws in the
    Torah, and stop with the prosbul and the heter iska, and with that of
    course also with Hillel and with Rambam. Just as in the old days, the
    hard necked people simply flat out refuse to listen, no matter how
    obvious it all is.

    Isaiah: only a remnant will return ...

    Then be part of that remnant, be the best you can be, forever.

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  • From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 6 07:48:49 2024
    title: Why Do Jews Suffer So Much? -Rabbi Tovia Singer
    link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77GIM_7iwLE&t=997s
    source: Tovia Singer

    Comment:

    Hello. You compared Kristallnacht (Nazis attacking Jewish stores in
    Germany) with Oct 7, Hamas. We know that Kristallnacht was the start of something much much worse. We also know that the Torah warns the Jewish
    people to return to the Torah, or your next punishment is *7 times worse* (paraphrased).

    [...]

    Someone made a good comment, that the gentiles are also punished for
    disobaying the 7 Noahide commandments.

    Comment:

    Agreed, the gentiles may get punished at the same time. The North Native American Indians, such as the Haudenosaunee Confederacy, who are under
    HKB'H which is completely obvious, have warned of the 3 world wars
    also. In the first two, HKB'H would shake the world with one hand, but
    in the third he will shake it with both hands, as a warning for humanity
    to stop misbehaving. In the 2nd World War, there was obviously great
    suffering by the gentiles.

    The Jewish people have the Torah, which is quite precise, while the
    gentiles only have vague ideas about what is good. Israel needs to give
    the example, also on such things as land use and money. If Israel does
    well, good example will make good following. A vague will to be good by
    the gentiles can become precise ideas thanks to Israel. It also works
    the other way around, but I don't see anyone who even thinks about giving everyone their right to land back. It is in the Torah however. Prophets
    of Israel complain repeatedly about the Jubilee, I don't think that was
    a mistake.

    Notice how the Nazi mess came on the back of the Versaille debt,
    hyperinflation in 1924 and the Great Depression in 1929. Debt, more
    debt than could be paid. What does the Torah say: no rent seeking &
    debt forgiveness for the poor, to your own people. What do we see today
    in the world ? Drowning in debt, it can never be paid, and that is why
    World War 3 will also be started, and already has started. Rent seeking
    and no debt forgiveness, just like the Jewish people with their prosbul
    and heter iska. They pretend the prosbul is a loophole in the Torah ! It
    is a lie. The greedy rich took over, just as with the gentiles. See the connections, the similarities ?

    There is your way out: stop with the debt games, give everyone their
    land and keep it so. Refuse ? Ok, here are you 7 holocausts, all at
    once. You, Israel, want to argue with HKB'H ? You know better ? Then
    there is your answer.

    [Some people started talking about punishment in general. It is not
    really against this, but about the general lack of a response - an
    answer (Teshuva) - to which the following ...]

    Comment:

    We can all see now, but you probably will not, that nothing changed:
    you call out for a return to the truth, return to the Torah, you point
    to the dangers which are occurring, you point to where the law is broken clearly and without doubt ... and nobody cares, literally nobody even
    cares. Nobody cares ! But ... then they think they will have 'moshiach'
    and 'Redemption', no problem, party & pancakes forever. Future generations
    will see this in horror, shame and disbelief, as they will know what
    will happen.

    I think the generations now alive will become the most hated generation
    of all times, because of the potential they had, the power they had,
    the ease of communications, the political freedoms, the technology, the
    time the comfort ... and what did they do with it all ? Self obsessed
    luxury enjoyment was their only motivation, they started to ruin the
    natural environment and then focused their efforts on killing each other
    like never before.

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    You have been warned, all of humanity, and shown something you could at
    least think about doing. Merely the thinking about it, would already do
    a lot, so that you would be ready for the moment when not doing anything
    is not going to be possible anymore. The moment of pressure, so to say.
    Not even that you did, simply looked the other way, ignored the entire conversation. The very few people who entered this debate with me about
    these things, was effectively meaningless on the scale of society.

    Why listen to me ? You don't have to, but you should listen to your
    fellow man every now and again, and when they have a good idea, at least
    a few people should start to care. Even this was apparently not
    possible, over all these years. It is also a general debate, about
    important political topics, economics in particular, and also the way to organize a State. You cannot ignore these topics, and think of yourself
    as a (political) adult. Not in this world, with the constant economic
    problems it has.

    The time for punishment, the consequences of ill conceived rules and
    policies, seems to have started. Unemployment is bad, rows of
    homelessness tents in California for many years already, reports of
    unrest in China due to banking failures and bankruptcies of small
    business, bad credit ... (Notice how in a correct economy, you don't even
    need credit to work, you have your land ... Well, that's the issue, they
    don't notice it, or pretend not to notice it.) ... and in the middle,
    the Middle East and eastern Europe: wars and spreading wars. Central
    banks (privately owned!!) printing money like the criminals they are.
    A map of the world National debts by country shows there is no Nation
    without this insane system of corruption, the national debt. In a decent Nation, the National Debt isn't just zero, it is forbidden, because it
    is crime, and corruption, a pyramid scam with the potential to ruin the
    economy and usher in a Tyranny.

    These are catastrophic failures: not distributing the land to all and
    keeping it so forever and the national debt pyramid scam.

    If the Nation is a boat, then the former is trying to sail the boat
    upside down, and the second is like drilling holes in the hull to the
    degree it was still buoyant. Stupid, ignorant, evil, according
    to the nature of that person. Stupid are the people who know, but don't understand. Ignorant are the people who should know, but don't know,
    don't even know what is going on. Evil are the people who know and
    understand, and want to keep it going for their own selfish purposes.
    This leaves the good and the informed, the people who care. How many are
    they ? One in a hundred ? One in a thousand, one in a million ?

    Time ran out, technology became too powerful for humans to handle
    without being fully good and competent. It's over, Game Over. You could
    say this is the End Boss of the game of history, which started with
    farming and settled life. What started with throwing a few seeds around
    where you had your summer camp and the ability to remain there for
    longer and longer due to what was growing, became a food producing
    behemoth making grains with machines as big as a house in one end of the
    world, and delivered it for eating in the other end, fully prepared ready
    to eat, with meat plus sauce.

    What even much longer ago started as the art of warming yourself and
    your food on a fire, and even longer ago started as humans learned how
    to throw stones effectively, has now become a burning stone which can
    travel straight up and over the largest ocean, to deliver a strike on an
    entire city, killing everyone in it. These two things have both occured,
    are both a reality now. Both where only the feverish dreams of the
    weirdest of people a few centuries ago. Today these and other facts are
    so normal and widespread, few people even think about it much or at all.
    Unless the humans destroy themselves with this power, the power will
    keep increasing, which is something humanity invests an enormous amount
    of time and money into.

    How can this go right ? The humans remain primitive and clueless for the
    most part, even violent and careless at times, yet their power keeps
    increasing without limit, powers also used to destroy, to exploit, to
    enslave. How can this go right ? It can not go right. Something has to
    change. Either humans adapt to their own power, or their power will
    adapt humanity, meaning that humanity will generally destroy itself and
    their own capabilities. For example, after another series of wars and disasters, only a few people survive it all, forget all the knowledge as
    they try to survive, and eventually restart humanity at a simpler level
    of skills and knowledge.

    This is not new either, the loss of skills is a known historical
    development when cultures collapse. If you are busy surviving from
    problem to problem all day, doing basic things like finding water and
    something to eat, perhaps doing basic farming, who has time to build a
    machine which makes computer chips, and then to put it all together for
    a working device, when you might not even have the cables and
    electricity anymore for a simple lightbulb, and the lightbulb itself is
    missing as well ? Even those who know how to do it, might not be able
    to, and after a few generations it is all gone.

    Stories of a crazy, careless and selfish world is what will remain, a
    world in which the impossible became possible, but then they burned
    themselves, destroyed themselves, because they cared little for peace,
    truth and justice.

    If that is the future you want, keep going, you are doing great. Keep
    ignoring complaints like this, quickly forget this article, switch on
    the TV, watch the mainstream news and be consumed by it. A bag of chips
    and a good movie, that's what life is all about, right ? You care for
    your family and friends, and that's all you need to do. Don't even worry
    about the general health of the Nation or humanity in general, that's
    not your job. Someone else is doing that job ! You are sure they get
    paid for it, no ? You won't be betrayed by the people in the expensive
    suits, they wouldn't dare. Now you are in the right spot. You told
    yourself a bunch of lies which relax you and make your life more
    enjoyable. That's a marker of success, right there. Life is simple, just
    live if for yourself, just like the criminals do. "You cannot do
    anything about it anyway".

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