Someone on a forum said they where angry with Hashem about the war in
Israel and such, including personal tragedies, and "where is the
moshiach" ...
Reply:
(I wonder if I get banned for this, so be it !) I think most people do
not take the Torah anywhere near seriously enough. It says so clearly
in the Torah: if the people of Israel do not return to the Torah, every
round of punishment is 7 times worse. You have got to be kidding if you
think the Jewish people are close to the Torah, including all forms of Rabbinical Judaism since they all follow things like the 'prozbul'. Did
you know that on Oct. 7 2022, the Nova festival had a gigantic Buddha
statue, and they danced before it ? You realize that this is a death
penalty level offense under the law of the Torah (assuming everything
was in proper operation) ? It is a death penalty to deceive the Jewish
people with idols. So many of you, what I read on this Reddit ... it
is all so casual. It is the "Reddit way of talking". That's fine, it's
good if things are friendly, but you are talking about the Torah now,
which is thousands of years old, and which has - as mentioned - the
death penalty for all kinds of offenses. Breaking the Shabbos is already
a death penalty. Homosexuality is definitely a death penalty. My point
is, that the Torah is a severe law in that sense. It isn't a guide to
a candy store, or a book with poems and you just choose what you like,
so long as the party is good. Is the Jubilee on land honored in the land
of Israel ? Absolutely not, everyone knows that. If you ask Hashem, if
you credit Hashem with Creation, I assume you are speaking of the God -
the Creator - who gave the Jewish people a law, written on 2 plates and
later in the 5 books. If you read that book, you will find (if I recall correctly), that if these laws are not honored, all kinds of bad things
start to happen to Israel.
The waves of punishments get worse and worse (I can look it up but I'm
sure you could do it just as easily). Every round of punishment gets 7
times worse. If you where full out with the Torah, you could go as far
as saying: Hashem executed the people at the Nova festival, for their
idolatry, and that was his right and perhaps obligation to do. However,
the guilt over this festival goes further, because Israel allowed it,
and sides with it, because "it's all just fun and games, everything is
fine." Well, that can be your opinion, that is a human opinion, a private opinion and probably an emotion. Don't confuse that opinion with what you
can read in the Torah, and what Hashem has is asking of you as a people,
as the "holy people" of the Torah. You may not comprehend the laws in
the Torah, such as the Jubilee or why the debts are to be forgiven in the
7th year, but understanding or not, to be a Jew - so I read the Torah at
least, and that's my opinion if you want - to be a Jew is to honor those
laws, even if you don't yet quite understand them. You see that Hashem
will basically be obligated to destroy and chase out the people of the
'holy land' because they are going against the Torah.
The holocaust also happened because of this. I see it as the last round of punishment. One third of the Jewish people died. I don't know what 7 times
the Nazi holocaust is going to exactly mean, but one possible computation
is: 7 times a third will be lost. This works out to 95% will be lost, one
in twenty will survive, which oddly enough works out as close to 600 000.
Besides this, I don't know why bad things happened to you personally. I
don't know why that has happened in particular. It could have all kinds
of reasons. Perhaps the worst happens to the best people, so that they
become even better and more understanding of the suffering of others,
so that they can help even more. However on a National level, Israel
is breaking the Torah on a collective level. By the rules of the Torah,
Israel cannot be in the 'holy land'. The Rabbis also, they also break down
the Torah, for example with their prozbul. Some Rabbis in Yerushalayim are
now making a Sun Disk idol, called the Lamp of Helena. They want to put it
on the inner gate of a remade Temple (3rd Temple). I understand perfectly
that they will claim that it is not an idol but just something nice,
a time keeper if you will, because it would signal the morning for the
prayer. However it is a Sun Disk idol, it reflects the morning sun. Sun
light reflection is very bright. The Temple never had such a thing, it
wasn't ordained by Moshe or anyone. The Temple has it's own lights, the Menorah, and that is apparently enough. Do you see the disaster that is
in the making ? They want a 3rd Temple, for a Nation who not even close
to returning to major laws such as the Jubilee on land who are breaking
down the Torah left right and center, and then on this whole chaos they
want to have Israel bow down to a reflection of the sunlight, and they
want to call that the Redemption ! This mess is to be the example to the Nations ?! I am at least convinced that heaven cannot let something like
this go on. The time of it's punishment seems to be coming.
You see, kinda harsher words like this, it isn't liked by this generation,
Jew and gentile alike. They don't wan to hear about serious topics,
serious consequences, discipline of law, or mistakes made which need to
be corrected. Everything has to be a sort of entertainment. Therefore I
think, what you see now is nothing yet, incomparable to the hell which
is going to hit the whole world, probably in the coming decades, perhaps
even years. For some, it has already started. I'm sorry you may be one
of those people. Humanity needs to find peace in general, and if that
isn't going to be in a nice way, then humanity will have to suffer the consequences of their own evil. If they still refuse to learn in the end,
the whole thing may have to be entirely destroyed.
The Torah is that serious ! Everything destroyed, because there was
no Torah, no truth, no justice, no peace, thus no future. Things are
much more serious than people want to know about. There, I vented my
opinion ;-). Have a good day. P.S. On the Redemption, I don't think
it is possible with the state of Israel being what it is. The Zionists
thought they could establish the State of Israel by force, but without
the Torah. Remember, they are the ones who opposed the Torah. The way I
see it is that Hashem left them to do their thing, knowing it would fail,
and perhaps some Jews would see how bad it has gone without the Torah,
and that this might bring them back to Him. We can only hope I guess
... But despite everything, I think the Redemption has to be close now !!
*
P.S. I cannot say to these people that the Redemption is Today if you
listen (if you know what I mean, and yes that is what I mean), because I
have bad experiences with Jewish people and this topic. They don't want
to hear it, they get angry and start to ban me and the like. This has
happened before. They will have to just stop lying about the prozbul,
and if they cannot do that, I don't think they can be Redeemed one way
or the other. It is a good test I guess. It is a test of intelligence
and of honesty and morality. If you cannot solve something this simple,
I assume you cannot solve anything, and cannot be part of the
Redemption. While that may not ultimately be true, if they make it hard
for me, then I give them only this little test. If they can get over
this little hurdle, and do their due dilligence, they should be able to
find the truth quite easily. If they cannot get over the hurdle, no harm
done, no banning needed, none is the wiser so to say, no fuss, and no
loss. They would not be capable of the Redemption, anyway.
The open rebellion by Israel and her Rabbis against the Torah and their
God continues. it is called "prozbul", and also (idolatry, which seems
to be even worse in the Torah) "Lamp of Helena", the "Lamp of the
Nations" so to say (the Sun, which is also an old Egyptian idol IIRC).
It is quite astonishing to see how little interest Israel shows for her Redemption. I guess we should be happy that the concept at least exists
at all, because the next step would be: everything is forgotten
completely, and the people would have to get to the truth the hard way,
by purely doing their mental work on the topic (like I did on economics
I guess).
Since they will unlikely *ever* do that, the consequence is the (near) extinction of humanity. The abuse of technology for evil is that bad.
Near extinction or complete extinction of humanity is better. I saw a
video listed about Tesla their new brain chip going into human trials. A disgusting picture with their brain implant in a wound in the shape of
an eye. The feeling I get is: hell has started. This madness is going to escalate into horrors we cannot even imagine right now. How is this
world going to look with the criminals currently in charge for another
few centuries ? In the 1960s we could barely have a simple calculator,
and now look what we have, and what will be in the centuries to come,
and all that power into the hands of the most evil people ? What does
this mean when we have another totalitarian Tyranny break out, which is
already breaking out (the USA is now a Tyranny) ?
The enemy works a lot with the turning over of the generations. They put propaganda in place, sometimes as simple as flags in public view in many
places such as they did with the E.U., so that they work on the emotions
and minds of the young, while for the older generations they keep the
sharade going that we have a Nation by focussing their news media for
example on the National Parliament while ignoring the traitors at the
European Union. They know people would not accept being ruled from
Brussels, so they hide it and just wait for the generation who rejects
their Nation being ended to die out. The young don't know better, and
then they will accept the E.U. as a given, don't even think about it.
THey will be shown some flat earthers who are against the European
Union, and that will control their simple minds.
They will probably do similar things with these brain implants. For us,
this is hell. For the next generation, they will create the necessary propaganda to normalize it at least, or however far they can get. By the
time 3 generations have past, the children might embrase this evil as an inevitability, even a good thing. They seem to be crafty enough to get
people wherever they want, so long as they get the time to do it. it is
very helpful for the side of evil that people do not think, or even
care. In that sense, humanity deserves what is coming. Unfortunately, it
may not just be another Tyranny, it may be much worse this time. If
these evil people continue to win in the long term, or could create a
situation humanity would need a miracle to escape from it, the miracle
of escape might be in the form of a complete extinction of humanity.
Why ? Because they caused it themselves, and will cause it again. You
can free them, but since they are this stupid, careless, dishonest and brainless, it doesn't matter to free them. They will fall for evil
again. I guess you could argue, if the pain was bad enough, perhaps they
will not fall for it again. That is a good point. Therefore this is what
we will likely see happening, which is the usual cause and effect:
mistakes, pain, mistakes, pain, worse mistakes, worse pain, etc. It is
still possible that humanity gets things right, with the application of
enough death & pain due to their own mistakes.
You often see after periods of hardship, that there is more interest in morality for a while. This dies out fairly quickly. You also saw this
with Israel in Egypt. At first they suffered, and then they became more
moral and accepted the Torah. Later they destroyed that again, because
they became decadent, careless and retarded (not as retarded as the
other Nations, but prozbul is proof they had become retarded by that
point; this is not a comparison to other Nations, this is a comparison
to the absolute minimum of peace, justice and intelligence we need to
survive and deal with our own toys (!)).
It is not possible to reach Israel. The people cannot be reached, the
Rabbis don't care, etc. They think they are doing good already, and are entitled to all kinds of goodness. It just isn't true; except probably
in rare cases, probably people who suffer every day from the injustices
and the lies and the bad behavior in their own communities. They think
they are 'good people', because they don't cheat on their taxes ?
Because they gave charity ? Let's say they are good people. Then 'good'
is not good enough. The land of Israel is a mess, there is no economy
getting things right, and we are on the brink of a global war. How many
people don't lift a finger to do anything positive on these topics ? How
many people might give it one hour a week ? They think "ah, it's fine"
that Israel doesn't execute the Jubilee on land, and move on to the next
topic. They think "ah, the Sanhedrin will figure it out later" or "it is
not my problem", and that's it. "Oh, the Rabbis said the Sages made a
loophole in the Torah - how interesting, I should remember it in case I
get this question on an exam". "Oh some people where at the 'nature
festival' dancing before Buddah and doing their best to insult the
Torah, that's just some good fun for the afternoon, more power to them."
The attitude is quite "we don't care" (which is a Fascist slogan). Then
when the natural consequences of this chaos and carelessness come, they
get angry with Hashem (heaven). This is not fair. I think the root
problem is, that they underestimate the seriousness of much of what is
in the Torah. If they knew how serious much of it is, or all of it if you
want, they would know their Nations is in a deep state of decadence and
decay, and that the consequences of this decay and chaos should be
severe.
If they knew how deeply serious the Jubilee on land is for example. It
would transform the economic of the entire world, and may do much to
stabilize Nations and thereby reduce the chances for war, increase the creativity and intelligence of people, reduce Plutocracy ... It would
make complete Revolutions such as Communism obsolete, these Revolutions
would either never have happened, or gone in a much better way. Had
Israel just kept to this law, and other Nations had seen it and taken it
over which is not unlikely (see how the Jesus fraud system takes over a
lot from Israel, and how Islam does the same), we could be in a
differernt kind of culture right now. Just the one element. You see how
much of the world took over the Shabbos, and how this has changed
people's lives. A day off work ?! Who had heard of it. It was work work
work, never stop. Only the greedy rich exploiters knew what spare time
was, no ? In this case, the Jewish people seem to have accomplished
something. Is it enough to prevent high technological hell on Earth ? I
don't know, but it does certainly seem that the enemy is moving forward
on their plans, without much opposition for the moment at least.
It is an attitude of 'it is already ok' and 'we have done enough', yet
major parts of a system of a Nation are not operational (such as the
Jubilee). Then to think that, because they have done enough, it is the
fault of heaven if bad things happen. This is not fair and not correct.
I also saw quite a few comments, saying that is is ok to be angry. No I
am sorry to say, it is not allowed to be angry with heaven or with
Hashem, it is neither allowed and neither is it correct. It speaks of a
lack of knowledge. We should always blame ourselves. Even if Hashem
where to have guilt, as he regretted making mankind, Hashem already
knows all this, and I am sure he will compensate those who deserve it ?
In any case, it is a law in the Torah, no less, to love the Creator.
You are simply not allowed to be angry with the one who only wants the
best, and who creates the entire world including ourselves, so that we
can live and be happy. If we don't understand everything, that is our
problem and mistake. Had we lived differently, perhaps we would already
have understood. It is not allowed to be angry with heaven, sorry. That
is the Torah. If you want to be angry, then be angry at the failure of
humans, including ourselves. There is plenty to be angry about there,
and we can point to it and do something about it perhaps.
(Another endless ranting day for me I guess, sorry. Israel wants to do
more tarrying with the Redemption. Ok fine, tarry then another day, have
it your way. Be lazy, take your time, waste your time. Just make sure to
blame yourself for it in the end, and not anyone else.)
It is obvious Israel doesn't take the Torah serious, certainly not since
and including Hillel the Elder, destroyer of Israel. If you see all the
bad that has happened since, it is hard to say what will make Israel
change her mind. It will have to get magnitudes worse than the Nazi
holocaust and the Spanish inquisition, it seems, because that didn't
work to the extend necessary to truly live forever in peace. They still
kept their old lies going, such as the prozbul. I guess one of their
pitfalls is that they think they are already doing so great, if they
follow Rabbis, as opposed to caring about nothing anymore, or worse
becoming idolators and switching to those people, be that buddha or
Jesus or whatever (Islam is at least not idolatry). They are already
impressed with their own Teshuvah, if they go from completely nothing
and random behavior, to following the Rabbis, who follow a traitor like
Hillel. They don't seem to realize that this is not good enough.
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Remember Adam & Eve ? The way I see it (an hypotheses if you will): Eve
started stealing. Once the stealing started, it was over. Stealing
becomes murder, murder becomes war, war becomes Tyranny, Tyranny becomes
hell. What is the prozbul ? It is stealing from Hashem. He said the loan
is nullified. He stands next to the poor person, and in the 7th year he
says, with the poor person: "We do not have money for you, go away and
do not come back to ask for this money again." That is the Torah. The
rich man however, armed with the power of the lying Rabbis of Israel,
the Hillellites with their fraudulent documents or other irrelevant
chaff they come up with, they grab the money anyway. They steal the
money, because nothing was due. It is theft. Hashem told them: this
money is a 'forbidden fruit' for you, I command you to leave it alone.
In the 7th year, the money of the loan for the poor who is Jewish
becomes a forbidden fruit. You can trade with other people, you can loan
your money to other people, you can work your land, but you shall leave
the money of this loan alone now. You cannot have it.
They have to learn to respect that, to respect that which is not theirs.
To honor another person, to allow them peace. If they can do that, the
job is done, the humans can live. The humans figured out how to live in
the world of farming, with settled life and eventually toys we could
never even think can exist, can be made. Great power of technology. If
we respect each other, what belongs to the other, to give the other
peace and life and not try to steal, to dominate, to loot, to oppress,
then we have reached our new state of being. Our species might
potentially live forever, no animal can touch us anymore.
It is the same lie, the same fraud the same theft (sort of). A similar
thing. The stealing of the forbidden fruit, and the stealing of the loan
after it has been declared forbidden to take.
It is the same with land. The Jubilee on land is a measure against
stealing land. Everyone will have land, and may return to it. If you
have no land, you have no life, you have no place. Is it your planet,
did you create the Earth ? Hashem said in your Torah: each shall have
land, and you may not sell it in perpetuity. You shall respect the
corner stones of the land, you shall not steal each others land. Not
stealing by purchasing in perpetuity, and not stealing by moving the
corner stones. You shall not eat from that forbidden fruit, which is
someone else's land. You shall not eat of your own acord from that
tree, which is not yours. But they did, they did not respect the Jubilee
on land, but they stole the land.
It is all a similar thing, see ? It is all the same thing. It is the one
thing humanity has to learn: stop stealing. Stop stealing ! If you don't
steal, you don't have to be a liar either, because there is no danger.
You did nothing wrong, who should you fear ? Rally all the honest
people, being honest yourself, and you can vanguish the criminals if
necessary. If you don't steal, you don't have to murder.
While it may be a good argument to say that charity does a lot of good,
and this is certainly something I also belief, it seems clear that
charity alone does not do enough good to undo all the other existing
evils, because Israel does do a lot of charity, yet here we are, things
are not going well.
Had Adam & Eve respected that one tree, I speculate that it would be a
lesson learned in principle. Once they had respected that tree, even if
it had been just like any other tree and was chosen at random from all
the other trees, then the lesson was learned and could be applied
elsewhere. Once they respected the one tree, they would have learned how
to respect any other tree, such as the tree which is being owned or used
by someone else, or needed by someone else. Imagine the peace this would
mean, if humans thought that way, rather than the more usual "get what
you can get, the more the better".
It is similar to the rule to not be angry with God, and not to use bad
words to God, because once you can respect one thing, you can respect
another, including your fellow man - and this may be the most important
thing in it all.
You could argue that charity is the same on principle, and perhaps it is
true. Nevertheless, to give someone charity is not the same as to make
sure their right to land is honored. Land is of immense value. Charity
does not measure up to it, it simply isn't of the right quality and even
the amount will likely be far less. Land is freedom and life,
opportunity, and a challenge. Charity likely is undoing much damage done
by the rich and their greedy prozbul loans, however you could argue: the charity should be there anyway, and on top of that, the loans being
cancelled was also needed, to stabilize the Nation and heal the social
fabric. It is in the Torah, it is the law.
Another thing of theft, is that they reached out their hand and they
grabbed the Torah, and they tore away laws from it. They stole away a
law, they stole it: the 7th year debt cancellation. That was stolen, by
Hillel, by the Rabbis. They stole and usurped for themselves the right
to make such laws, laws which go directly against the Torah - even on a
simple topic like this. They stole the power to make law, even though
Hashem had said: this power to make law is a forbidden fruit for you,
Israel. This is your Torah, you must respect it, and leave it alone.
You must follow these laws, and you may not take away laws or add to
them, you may not change the law. They stole that power, they did not
respect that power.
If you are in a Nation, a Nation at peace and a Nation of peace, and it
has been decided by your people that a certain law shall be law, then
what does it mean if you do not respect that decision - assuming that
the law which was made was not unreasonable and certainly not evil.
Doesn't that imply an amount of chaos ? Everyone is riding their vehicle
at a certain speed, or at a certain side of the road, but you just
think: I do whatever I want, and I'll have a booze on the go if I feel
like it ? Isn't that a loss of solidarity with your people ? A well made
law is good for everyone, including you. You also survive the roads, if
others keep to that law. You could argue that in some sort of way, a bit convoluted maybe, but there is another element of 'taking' of theft.
An element of not respecting something which is not yours, another
example of a failure of discipline, of serving a short term selfish need without regard to the greater consequences.
Underestimating the consequences, underestimating the seriousness of the
Torah. God said: "Do not eat from this fruit." It seemed like a little
thing. What could the consequences be ? Today we see the result: insane
and evil wars, nukes ready to blast our planet to hell, and all for the
sake of greed, all for the sake of theft, for power, for nothing. The
Torah seemed small, the demand seemed trivial. The consequences of
ignoring it, the wise lesson from Hashem to humanity, it could be our extinction, or even worse.
Place the fruit back at the tree, if it is not yours.
Give the money back to the poor, if you stole it with your prozbul.
Return the power to make law to Hashem and his Prophets.
Say nice things about your God, who gave us wise lessons and only wants
the best for everyone, and take back all anger and accusations.
Learn the lesson to not be a thieve. We already have more than we need.
Now we know the cost, we know the pain. There is no reason to continue
with the lies. Beyond the pain, is more pain, is more pain. Learn the
lesson and return: truth, justice & peace, honesty and innocense.
Remember that the Torah also says: it is not in heaven, you do not have
to go over the sea. You do not need a Rabbi to tell you, and a Rabbi is
also nothing else than just another person who can read, just like you.
Some of them have studied well, but many of them teach the lie of the
prozbul, and that is a massive problem. The Torah gives you every right
to ignore them, because you can read the Torah yourself, and that is the
Torah. You have the right, obligation, to do so, and to rebel the
injustices from an establishment, just as Moshe Rabbeinu also rebelled
the establishment of Egypt. This is not rebellion, but loyalty. They are
the rebels, they need to change their ways and stop supporting theft.
(You guessed right, I don't have much to do this evening ;-)
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