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BY MOHAMED SEIF EL NASR NOVEMBER 3, 2023

While reading the works of the medieval Arab sociologist Ibn Khaldun
many years ago, I was surprised by his ideas on geography and climate,
which attribute not only physical but also sociological patterns for
people living in the same climatic region. In short, these ideas
suggest that if someone from the extreme Northern Hemisphere moved to
the extreme Southern Hemisphere, their surviving descendants would
eventually have the same physical and sociological attributes as the
people of the Southern Hemisphere. I was fascinated by this concept
and at a loss of how anyone in this world could be a racist, knowing
they could have mutated into anyone else.

Holding onto this notion and adding to it years of soul-searching,
which for being born a Muslim led me to delve into Sufism, I developed
the firm belief that all humans are essentially one and that all evil
in the world is the result of our division. I was convinced the
principal reason people in the Global North condone their armies
murdering innocent civilians or the dying of children from hunger in
faraway nations is that they are unable to perceive the victims as
similar to them and are accordingly unable to empathize with them and
feel their pain. If they did, I told myself, most evil in the world
would disappear.

That is why I believe that the main objective of the arts should be to humanize those we perceive as different. Being an aspiring novelist
myself, I decided that unity and the oneness of being would be the
principal theme of all my work.

I can no longer adopt such beliefs and will no longer vouch for those
ideas.

It is clear to me now that calling for love and unity does not fall on
the oppressed but on the privileged. In the face of the hate or apathy
of those who do not feel their suffering or regard them as equal, the persecuted have no choice but to embrace whatever they are persecuted
for, ethnic, religious, or else, and accept the division. To vouch for
love and unity is a privilege only people in the Global North can now
afford. For the rest of us, it is nothing short of weakness and
humiliation.

Like most people in the Global South, I am watching with horror the
ongoing genocide being perpetrated by Israel in Gaza and the blind, astonishing backing of the majority of governments and mainstream
media outlets in the United States and Europe. Like most people in the
Global South, I am opening my eyes to the hypocrisy, racism, and ugly confirmation that our lives and deaths are still not valued or
regarded as equal. Like most people in the Global South, I am outraged
at the narrative of condemning Hamas solely for the attack on October
7, the impudence of acting as if it were unprovoked, and the moral
failure to view it in the context of 75 years of dehumanization,
colonialism, ethnic cleansing, land theft, violence, torture, and rape
at the hands of Israel.

We, who suffered from colonialism, understand that the only party to
blame is Israel, the occupying power, simply because if there had been
no occupation, there would have been no Hamas. We, who suffered from colonialism, understand that the Hamas combatants who attacked Israel
on October 7 did not choose to be resistance fighters and would have
had normal lives if they had not been subjected to occupation and
living for almost two decades in a concentration camp where more than
half of the population were struggling to afford food just before
October 7. We, who suffered from colonialism, are well aware of this narrative of blaming the victims and the failure to apply the same
moral principles to us.

So, for the people of conscience in the Global North who are standing
with the Palestinians in any way they can, for those marching,
writing, and speaking up, thank you for giving us hope in humanity in
our darkest hour and not allowing us to turn into complete monsters as
our enemies want us to.

And for the other ones, for those who are running this horror show in
Gaza or facilitating it, for those who are murdering and collectively punishing the innocent men and women and the children of the earth,
for those who know there are children trapped in darkness under the
rubble of bombed buildings, who are dying of thirst and hunger and are
still against a ceasefire, for those who have revealed the wickedness
of their hearts and the darkness of their souls, know that we now see
you for who you are. The masks have fallen, and millions of us are
opening up our eyes to the realization of how much you hate and
dehumanize us. Millions of us are radicalized and ready to adopt the
ideas and narratives of any group, only if it will fight or oppose
you. Whatever doctrine there is — Islamist, Communist, or Nihilist — millions of us are ready to espouse it only if it will take a stand
against you.

Palestine now divides us.

We have hate in our hearts, and I promise you that it will remain. And
I promise you we will live like this and die like this and pass on our
rage and our pain. And we will remain prisoners of our hate, and you
will remain prisoners of your crimes and fears, and the violence will
go on, and none of us will be free, until there is fairness and until
there is justice, and until Palestine is free.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/palestine-now-divides-us/

so

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On Sun, 05 Nov 23 01:02:29 UTC,
NefeshBarYochai said:

BY MOHAMED SEIF EL NASR NOVEMBER 3, 2023

While reading the works of the medieval Arab sociologist Ibn Khaldun
many years ago, I was surprised by his ideas on geography and climate,
which attribute not only physical but also sociological patterns for
people living in the same climatic region. In short, these ideas
suggest that if someone from the extreme Northern Hemisphere moved to
the extreme Southern Hemisphere, their surviving descendants would
eventually have the same physical and sociological attributes as the
people of the Southern Hemisphere. I was fascinated by this concept
and at a loss of how anyone in this world could be a racist, knowing
they could have mutated into anyone else.

Holding onto this notion and adding to it years of soul-searching,
which for being born a Muslim led me to delve into Sufism, I developed
the firm belief that all humans are essentially one and that all evil
in the world is the result of our division. I was convinced the
principal reason people in the Global North condone their armies
murdering innocent civilians or the dying of children from hunger in
faraway nations is that they are unable to perceive the victims as
similar to them and are accordingly unable to empathize with them and
feel their pain. If they did, I told myself, most evil in the world
would disappear.

That is why I believe that the main objective of the arts should be to humanize those we perceive as different. Being an aspiring novelist
myself, I decided that unity and the oneness of being would be the
principal theme of all my work.

I can no longer adopt such beliefs and will no longer vouch for those
ideas.

It is clear to me now that calling for love and unity does not fall on
the oppressed but on the privileged. In the face of the hate or apathy
of those who do not feel their suffering or regard them as equal, the persecuted have no choice but to embrace whatever they are persecuted
for, ethnic, religious, or else, and accept the division. To vouch for
love and unity is a privilege only people in the Global North can now
afford. For the rest of us, it is nothing short of weakness and
humiliation.

Like most people in the Global South, I am watching with horror the
ongoing genocide being perpetrated by Israel in Gaza and the blind, astonishing backing of the majority of governments and mainstream
media outlets in the United States and Europe. Like most people in the
Global South, I am opening my eyes to the hypocrisy, racism, and ugly confirmation that our lives and deaths are still not valued or
regarded as equal. Like most people in the Global South, I am outraged
at the narrative of condemning Hamas solely for the attack on October
7, the impudence of acting as if it were unprovoked, and the moral
failure to view it in the context of 75 years of dehumanization,
colonialism, ethnic cleansing, land theft, violence, torture, and rape
at the hands of Israel.

We, who suffered from colonialism, understand that the only party to
blame is Israel, the occupying power, simply because if there had been
no occupation, there would have been no Hamas. We, who suffered from colonialism, understand that the Hamas combatants who attacked Israel
on October 7 did not choose to be resistance fighters and would have
had normal lives if they had not been subjected to occupation and
living for almost two decades in a concentration camp where more than
half of the population were struggling to afford food just before
October 7. We, who suffered from colonialism, are well aware of this narrative of blaming the victims and the failure to apply the same
moral principles to us.

So, for the people of conscience in the Global North who are standing
with the Palestinians in any way they can, for those marching,
writing, and speaking up, thank you for giving us hope in humanity in
our darkest hour and not allowing us to turn into complete monsters as
our enemies want us to.

And for the other ones, for those who are running this horror show in
Gaza or facilitating it, for those who are murdering and collectively punishing the innocent men and women and the children of the earth,
for those who know there are children trapped in darkness under the
rubble of bombed buildings, who are dying of thirst and hunger and are
still against a ceasefire, for those who have revealed the wickedness
of their hearts and the darkness of their souls, know that we now see
you for who you are. The masks have fallen, and millions of us are
opening up our eyes to the realization of how much you hate and
dehumanize us. Millions of us are radicalized and ready to adopt the
ideas and narratives of any group, only if it will fight or oppose
you. Whatever doctrine there is ? Islamist, Communist, or Nihilist ?
millions of us are ready to espouse it only if it will take a stand
against you.

Palestine now divides us.

We have hate in our hearts, and I promise you that it will remain. And
I promise you we will live like this and die like this and pass on our
rage and our pain. And we will remain prisoners of our hate, and you
will remain prisoners of your crimes and fears, and the violence will
go on, and none of us will be free, until there is fairness and until
there is justice, and until Palestine is free.

so why did the uncivilized arab savages,
who have been treacherous and brutal
cutthroats for thousands of years think it
was okay to torture, rape, behead and burn
children alive and force their parents to
watch before doing the same to their
parents? do u approve of these tactics
against innocent children? how would u
react if it were the other way around?

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On 2023-11-05, NefeshBarYochai <[email protected]> wrote:

BY MOHAMED SEIF EL NASR NOVEMBER 3, 2023

While reading the works of the medieval Arab sociologist Ibn Khaldun
many years ago, I was surprised by his ideas on geography and climate,
which attribute not only physical but also sociological patterns for
people living in the same climatic region. In short, these ideas
suggest that if someone from the extreme Northern Hemisphere moved to
the extreme Southern Hemisphere, their surviving descendants would
eventually have the same physical and sociological attributes as the
people of the Southern Hemisphere. I was fascinated by this concept
and at a loss of how anyone in this world could be a racist, knowing
they could have mutated into anyone else.

Holding onto this notion and adding to it years of soul-searching,
which for being born a Muslim led me to delve into Sufism, I developed
the firm belief that all humans are essentially one and that all evil
in the world is the result of our division. I was convinced the
principal reason people in the Global North condone their armies
murdering innocent civilians or the dying of children from hunger in
faraway nations is that they are unable to perceive the victims as
similar to them and are accordingly unable to empathize with them and
feel their pain. If they did, I told myself, most evil in the world
would disappear.

Quite nonsensical, because there has been a massive amount of war
between the European people on all levels of size. Villages went to war
on villages, regions on regions, Nations against Nation, Empires against Empires, and then everything once over again. I suppose there is a logic
in the principle that there is a Division, and that this Division has
played a part in the war and the repression.

It is also the case that there has been an equal amount of war in the Equatorial regions and the global South, if not more so (per capita).
Slavery, hate, torture, it has all blossomed in the Equatorial regions
and elsewhere. There was white on white slavery in the North, and black
on black slavery in Africa, and organized torture in Middle America.

That is why I believe that the main objective of the arts should be to humanize those we perceive as different. Being an aspiring novelist
myself, I decided that unity and the oneness of being would be the
principal theme of all my work.

I can no longer adopt such beliefs and will no longer vouch for those
ideas.

It is clear to me now that calling for love and unity does not fall on
the oppressed but on the privileged. In the face of the hate or apathy
of those who do not feel their suffering or regard them as equal, the persecuted have no choice but to embrace whatever they are persecuted
for, ethnic, religious, or else, and accept the division. To vouch for
love and unity is a privilege only people in the Global North can now
afford.

Go talk to some homeless people here in the "global North", and see how
they feel about the love and unity in this western society.

Then there is the fact that western / global North, seems to be more
wealthy than the South. While there is an element of plundering,
especially the USA versun the Middle East (oil), Nations which are poor
are typically not as such poor, but tyrannical and dictatorial. They
just hate each other that much more, so they cannot unite against their
common enemy: the super rich criminals, who take everything for
themselves and leave the rest in poverty to serve them.

This doesn't mean there is plenty of evil in the "global North", and
that these Nations aren't guilty of looting, because they did plenty of
that. It just means that people in the global South who seem poor,
aren't innocent of their own poverty and conditions.

For the rest of us, it is nothing short of weakness and
humiliation.

[...]

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/palestine-now-divides-us/

Who even cares ? It is a sandbank somewhere in Arabia. Why do you all
obsess about this zero spot. It has no bearing on any of us. I see a
similar development as in Donbass (eastern Ukraine). People didn't
really care about that either. In the more overtly USA controlled
areas of the world (such as the E.U., Western Europe) people where
fed lies by their Government, with the purpose of creating a war with
Russia. It was the *story* of their own criminal ruling classes which interested the people. The Government made it a talking point, but
completely re-imagined reality into something they could use for their
evil. The story was interesting for the people, because they focus on
whatever the criminals say. They worship these people, out of
foolishness I suppose, or historically justified fear for their own
rulers. "What are our evil bosses talking about now ?" But probably it
was mostly stupidity, otherwise they would have cared to find out facts,
and they didn't.

The same now with Gaza and Israel, two specks on the map, two half
Nations at best. Nowhere near anything relevant, except maybe
religiously. The focus is for both sides in the greater War to be
created, on whatever story their ruling class gives them. Who can even
figure out who is lying the most every day, the Zionists or the
Palestinians. The first casualty in war was the truth, wasn't it.

People don't focus on reality, but on the stories that Divide people,
when their ruling class orders them to do so. The truth should unite
people, because there is ultimately one greater truth, even if you can
have many opinions about it. Enough focus on the truth, should create
greater unity. However it doesn't seem to interest people to get into
it, and people like Julian Assange get destroyed for exposing the truth.


P.S. (I happen to care about the situation with Israel, most if not only because they should do their Torah, and be an example to the rest of the
world. If they don't, this world could turn into a hell world. I know it
sounds over the top. Go check technological development over time, and
don't forget to take note of what modern armies are doing, and how often
there have been diabolical Tyrannies on the Earth, and how long their repressive regimes have lasted. It is a world of fools with great toys
and plenty of evil to go around. The situation is critical I would say.)

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