• Re: What really happened on 7th October?

    From Michael Ejercito@21:1/5 to NefeshBarYochai on Thu Nov 2 09:56:12 2023
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    NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    Two weeks after the Hamas breakout assault on Israel on 7 October, a
    clearer picture of what happened – who died, and who killed – is now beginning to emerge.

    Gaza started receiving blowback.

    It happened a lot faster than it happened to Japan.


    Michael

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  • From Loose Cannon@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Nov 2 16:25:43 2023
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    On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 09:56:12 -0700, Michael Ejercito
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    Two weeks after the Hamas breakout assault on Israel on 7 October, a
    clearer picture of what happened � who died, and who killed � is now
    beginning to emerge.

    Gaza started receiving blowback.

    It happened a lot faster than it happened to Japan.


    Michael


    What is this obsession you've had lately with japan? You have to
    forgive us normal people (re: White people). We only see gooks, not
    flips and chinks and japs. If the eyes are slanted, we just see one
    huge pile of shit; and we give a rat's ass about any of you.

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  • From Michael Ejercito@21:1/5 to Loose Cannon on Thu Nov 2 20:00:08 2023
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    Loose Cannon wrote:
    On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 09:56:12 -0700, Michael Ejercito
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    Two weeks after the Hamas breakout assault on Israel on 7 October, a
    clearer picture of what happened – who died, and who killed – is now >>> beginning to emerge.

    Gaza started receiving blowback.

    It happened a lot faster than it happened to Japan.


    Michael


    What is this obsession you've had lately with japan?
    It is called custom, tradition, precedent, and history.

    You have to
    forgive us normal people (re: White people). We only see gooks, not
    flips and chinks and japs. If the eyes are slanted, we just see one
    huge pile of shit; and we give a rat's ass about any of you.
    Who is this WE?


    Michael

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to Michael Ejercito on Fri Nov 3 09:28:46 2023
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    On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 20:00:08 -0700, Michael Ejercito wrote:


    What is this obsession you've had lately with japan?
    It is called custom, tradition, precedent, and history.

    You have to
    forgive us normal people (re: White people). We only see gooks, not
    flips and chinks and japs. If the eyes are slanted, we just see one
    huge pile of shit; and we give a rat's ass about any of you.
    Who is this WE?

    That's him, his idiocy, his gayness and his racism. As a typical frustrated
    gay neo-nazi he has NO other "friends"! LOL

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  • From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to NefeshBarYochai on Fri Nov 3 10:35:49 2023
    On 2023-11-01, NefeshBarYochai <[email protected]> wrote:
    Two weeks after the Hamas breakout assault on Israel on 7 October, a
    clearer picture of what happened – who died, and who killed – is now beginning to emerge.

    Instead of the wholescale massacre of civilians claimed by Israel,
    incomplete figures published by the Hebrew newspaper Haaretz show that
    almost half the Israelis killed that day were in fact combatants -
    soldiers or police.
    [...]
    <continue reading>

    https://new.thecradle.co/articles/what-really-happened-on-7th-october

    All sides are bad. No side is worth supporting, especially not their
    offensive cross border operations. None of these countries or peoples
    seem to really want peace or justice. Everyone wants peace, harmony and prosperity ... for themselves. Criminals want that too.

    The difference with real peace, justice and prosperity is when people
    want it for someone else, for their neighbor, for someone they have
    never seen before, for people they will never meet. Humans in general
    do not want to do that. They like to think that they do, they like to
    even feel that they do, but too little of use and practice comes out
    of it. It seems we can all agree that the rich need to be less rich, but
    little or nothing comes out of it. We all agree that the poor need help,
    but other than a handout, there is no serious resolution to the problem.

    This is the way people act upon one another, and logically it also
    becomes the blueprint for how Nations act upon each other, and Empires
    as well. If you allow an almost a war within your own Nation, where the
    rich and greedy are basically plundering the economy with their
    megalomaniacal operations, then you have allowed this principle of some
    being unreasonably and hoplessly dominated, and others being allowed to dominate.

    Isn't it subjugation if someone is unfairly poor, has no way out, no land
    to start something for his own and be free, and therefore ends up his
    whole life working for some greedy rich people owning a huge business
    ? Is that a society of people living together, or is that already a war
    of sorts. The rich dominate, and the rest does not get a fair chance.

    It is not a fair chance if you need to beg for a life choking
    Mortgage to get some land, which will probably come with a maximum
    profit productivity plan which you can then execute for your new Masters
    at the Bank. It is not a fair chance if you first need to slave away in
    some invariably dictatorial company, in the hope of being promoted if
    you are a profitable slave. This is not a society of equals living
    together, allowing each other freedom, peace and justice, a fair chance
    for the work they put in.

    It is essentially a system of slavery, which is lessened in it's
    severety by the threat - and activity - of rebellion. Labor union
    activities, some political activities, laws around the edges to stop the
    worst of the pain. Combined with the massive production which is
    afforded by modern technology, this seems to make the system a lot more tolerable. For some people the system can even be enjoyable sometimes.
    You can live, but if you are really happy ? I don't know. I don't see a
    lot of really happy people at least. They survive, they do what they
    have to do. It is a system of lesser slavery, and your way out is to
    become so rich that you become one of the bosses. There may be a few
    other options, but for most people those do not work out.

    To a degree, it remains necessary to do work one way or the other. If a
    person was completel alone in the wild, totally free that is, he would
    likely have to work much harder still. Is that free, is that comfortable ? Perhaps neither. Perhaps in the grey zone between these issues, people
    accept the status quo. We have to work anyway, so maybe this is the best
    we can do for now.

    However, at the root, something seems to be burning. People aren't so
    much working together, as in mutual agreements, but rather serving the
    same boss who gives orders to all. If there was fairness at the bottom,
    such as free land for all, you have your way out right there, and/or you
    could use this power to lessen the burdens of servitude. However this is
    not allowed. There seems to be little space between the Corporate rat
    wheel, and the gutter. Freedom, peace, has been squeezed out. Profits
    have been maximized for the few. Land has been taken, is being reshufled endlessly until it all ends up in one person their hand.

    If this is the nature of the society, the way they treat each other
    seems to be the likely blueprint for how groups act upon groups (such as companies), and Nations against Nations. The will to take land away is
    part of this society at the root. The will to unfairly profit from others
    is there. Those who are benefitting from these arrangements the most,
    the rich and the super rich, will likely be the ones who have the
    greatest appetite for taking away more land from people, to add it to
    their own, and to add more people who can serve them.

    I think it is fair to say that in all Nations, there are homeless people
    who are dying from loneliness and deprivations, without a place to sleep
    or put their bags down, let alone a place to make something of their life
    again (meaningful land for example). Isn't this at least close to murder ?
    The suffering of the people in 1900 or so, seems to be mostly forgotten,
    but it may be good to keep in mind how vicious this economy and society
    can be. It has indeed come to armed conflict between workers and bosses,
    people with nowhere to go have been murdered for the sake of the rich.

    Therefore it makes sense, that if this is the nature of these societies internally, that it is also their nature toward each other. Sometimes
    they might like to coexist for a while, have profitable relations, but
    at other times they may try to take each others land and people for
    their own gains, and not shy away from murder to get it. If there is no
    real internal peace, than it makes some sense that there probably also
    can be no lasting external peace.

    This is a reason I think all sides are bad, and no side is worth
    supporting. Gaza versus Tel Aviv ? Who is doing things very well, where
    is real peace (see above for what that perhaps should mean) happening ?
    Russia versus USA ? They are both the same thing, and if not, they are
    still converging on being the same. What are these so-called Ukranians
    fighting for, to join the European Union without having a clue of the corruption which awaits this unwanted and unapproved, ungovernable
    Empire created by the USA out of their conquests ? Because they want to
    do good for their neighbor, and it would matter if Moscow, Kiev,
    Brussels or Washington DC is boss ? What is the difference ? Why are
    other people fighting in Ukraine, don't they know the Ukraine has been
    called the most corrupt Nation in Europe ? Will it be less corrupt under
    Moscow or Washington DC ?

    Did they resolve to the real peace, and need to overthrow a Tyrannical
    yoke ? Not a chance. Did Gaza choose real peace, are the poor happy in
    Gaza ? They have very little land, but still. Israel then, do they want
    real peace ? Neither. They gave up. They have decided their Torah does
    not matter anymore, the real peace of giving each a life, doesn't matter anymore ... except when we can use quotes from the Torah to foment a
    war (as apparently has been reported, claiming the Palestinians are the
    same as the Amalekese).

    No side wants peace, hence there is nothing to fight for in this slowly escalating World War 3. World War 3 is being created by the super rich
    to protect themselves against the masses. The best thing to do is to
    return home, and have a hard look at where things go wrong within that
    society, and what can be done about it. By the time that is done, the
    whole world could have changed, or at least there may be something to
    live for.

    It will get worse and worse, because it isn't about what they claim it
    is about. It isn't about Russia, it isn't about rockets. It is about
    unresolved and unpayable Debt, mountains of debt everywhere. The real
    issue is within the society, not outwards of these societies. The
    problem is the internal economy: debt, bad laws governing land ownership
    and use, too much centralization of wealth and corporate power. It is a
    form of carelessness, agression and greed sickness, if you want to put a psychology unto it.

    I suggest to harden your house, put in survival supplied, as well as
    the ability to move and camp. It looks like we finally have an answer to
    the question of wether the ruling classes would first let the debt
    implode and later go to war, or first go to war and then let the debt
    implode. It seems they more or less do both at the same time. As the
    debt destabilizes more, they create more war.

    Just imagine a massive monetary crisis, hyper inflation and the rest,
    but there is no chance for war because the propaganda has not been
    created. Russia is just Russia, it's fine, it is a vacation destination.
    Putin is just another President or whatever, nobody cares. No "9/11" to
    foment the destruction in the Middle East. Let's say the USA has been
    able to contain their bloodlust for a while, and committed only smaller massacres and crimes around the world. In such an atmosphere, with war
    on a large scale literally impossible and completely beyond all
    expectations, the whole economy is suffering greatly and the money is
    hyper inflating at a rate of prices doubling every 4 weeks.

    With all the interconnectedness, communications and everything, the organizations such as labor unions and political parties already
    existing, everyone having the ability to publish themselves to the whole
    world on the Internet (compare the Middle Ages), the situation of the
    super rich who are responsible for it all seems to be uncertain. There
    is also a history of Revolutions to draw from, and this could well lead
    to another one. There is potential for the super rich to eventually
    loose control, even while trying to be in control of Revolutionary
    movements against themselves (they are clever like that). There is
    nothing else for the masses to focus on. It is all day every day about
    this economic issue, non stop for years or even decades.

    I believe that this is what they are afraid off, and why they create
    these wars. Look at how the debt market is reportedly at the brink of imploding, yet the news is all the time about a hundred here or even a
    thousand there having died. Some kind of conflict. It is a distraction.
    It works for the rich, it has been proven to work before. It is
    effective in maintaining control over society by the usual people, who
    can sometimes even enlarge their power, and deepen the control over the
    masses, rather than loose it because of their own bad policies.

    You could say they are fleeing forward. They created a bad situation,
    and rather than retreat and make it a bit better for everyone so that they
    can stay on top, they make it a lot worse and try to stay on top that way. While earlier the control was often soft and with the carrot, the
    decadence, now it starts to shift back to the stick, control through
    fear. The ruling class will then pretend to provide safety, from a
    danger they have purposefully created for that purpose of creating the
    fear. That is the knife in the back of the masses, the betrayal. With
    ruling class, I don't even mean the people in parliament, although some
    of them could be part of it. Society is mostly ruled through "the story tellers", the mass media, and they are controlled by the people with the
    money to control them: a section of the super rich, increasingly an interconnected Oligarchy as the Capitalist system centralizes power by
    its own nature.

    (Yes I know, too long to read, useless. ;-)
    --
    Economic & political ideology, worked out into Constitutional models,
    with a multi-facetted implementation plan. http://market.socialism.nl

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  • From Michael Ejercito@21:1/5 to Peeler on Fri Nov 3 09:41:07 2023
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    Peeler wrote:
    On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 20:00:08 -0700, Michael Ejercito wrote:


    What is this obsession you've had lately with japan?
    It is called custom, tradition, precedent, and history.

    You have to
    forgive us normal people (re: White people). We only see gooks, not
    flips and chinks and japs. If the eyes are slanted, we just see one
    huge pile of shit; and we give a rat's ass about any of you.
    Who is this WE?

    That's him, his idiocy, his gayness and his racism. As a typical frustrated gay neo-nazi he has NO other "friends"! LOL



    The others are ALL GONE!


    Michael

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  • From Loose Cannon@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Nov 3 16:43:17 2023
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    On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 20:00:08 -0700, Michael Ejercito
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Loose Cannon wrote:
    On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 09:56:12 -0700, Michael Ejercito
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    Two weeks after the Hamas breakout assault on Israel on 7 October, a
    clearer picture of what happened � who died, and who killed � is now
    beginning to emerge.

    Gaza started receiving blowback.

    It happened a lot faster than it happened to Japan.


    Michael


    What is this obsession you've had lately with japan?
    It is called custom, tradition, precedent, and history.

    Perhaps in your gook homeland, but not here in America. Over here, we
    don't give your sub-people any consideration. Like flies, we'll swat
    you when necessary and then not give you a second thought.



    You have to
    forgive us normal people (re: White people). We only see gooks, not
    flips and chinks and japs. If the eyes are slanted, we just see one
    huge pile of shit; and we give a rat's ass about any of you.
    Who is this WE?


    WE is the White people of America; who are the only ones that count.




    Michael

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  • From %@21:1/5 to ZACHARY SHEIN on Fri Nov 3 23:54:18 2023
    On 11/3/2023 6:26 PM, spamming/forging jew paedophile BARRY 'jewface'
    ZACHARY SHEIN wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 14:42:19 -0700, fake % <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    spamming/forging jew paedophile BARRY 'jewface' ZACHARY SHEIN wrote:
    On Fri, 03 Nov 2023 16:43:17 -0400, Loose Cannon <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 20:00:08 -0700, Michael Ejercito
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Loose Cannon wrote:
    On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 09:56:12 -0700, Michael Ejercito
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    Two weeks after the Hamas breakout assault on Israel on 7 October, a >>>>>>>> clearer picture of what happened – who died, and who killed – is now
    beginning to emerge.

    Gaza started receiving blowback.

    It happened a lot faster than it happened to Japan.


    Michael


    What is this obsession you've had lately with japan?
    It is called custom, tradition, precedent, and history.

    Perhaps in your gook homeland, but not here in America. Over here, we
    don't give your sub-people any consideration. Like flies, we'll swat
    you when necessary and then not give you a second thought.



    You have to
    forgive us normal people (re: White people). We only see gooks, not >>>>>> flips and chinks and japs. If the eyes are slanted, we just see one >>>>>> huge pile of shit; and we give a rat's ass about any of you.
    Who is this WE?


    WE is the White people of America; who are the only ones that count.

    Yup.

    Indeed.

    Absolutely.

    Right on, all counts.

    Certainly.

    Is there, any doubt?

    Beyond, debate.

    It's so, obvious.

    Like, totally.

    We sure, are.

    Of, course.

    Clearly.

    Unequivocally.

    Random, one-line drivel.

    Me, too.

    No doubt, about it.

    You got, THAT right!

    you mean there was an oct 7 damn and i missed it

    Fret not! There'll be another one next year!


    Maybe the kikes can make this an annual event, much like pissover and
    chanukka.

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  • From Michael Ejercito@21:1/5 to Peeler on Tue Nov 7 09:50:00 2023
    XPost: uk.legal, alt.checkmate

    Peeler wrote:
    On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 20:00:08 -0700, Michael Ejercito wrote:


    What is this obsession you've had lately with japan?
    It is called custom, tradition, precedent, and history.

    You have to
    forgive us normal people (re: White people). We only see gooks, not
    flips and chinks and japs. If the eyes are slanted, we just see one
    huge pile of shit; and we give a rat's ass about any of you.
    Who is this WE?

    That's him, his idiocy, his gayness and his racism. As a typical frustrated gay neo-nazi he has NO other "friends"! LOL


    The others are ALL GONE!


    Michael

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