• Now Progressive Won't Insure "High-Risk" Homes

    From 55c.1056@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 30 20:19:27 2023
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    https://www.wptv.com/money/real-estate-news/progressive-rebalancing-policies-in-florida-wont-renew-certain-high-risk-properties

    . . .

    They seem to have joined several other biggies that have
    decided to cut their risks, esp after recent hurricanes
    in Florida and the Gulf coast. California fires (and the
    constant quake threat) have led big insurers to cut back
    there as well.

    As to what is "high-risk" ... hard to say at this point.
    Houses where you can see the ocean out the window, for sure.
    However most that live THAT close are already "rich". The
    problem is for the more inland people, the more Regular Joes.
    Joe won't be able to get a loan/mortgage because he can't
    afford property insurance. That means no new homes unless
    lenders radically change their thinking/strategy.

    Expect "mobile home parks" to grow exponentially. DID see :

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d1/a9/45/d1a945768420f28bb0af513cbd6f7f00.jpg

    which is kinda neat. It'd be cheap and strong, foam-backed
    formica or faux-wood paneling for the inside. "Modular"
    buildings, the kind you can largely assemble in a day, even
    if kinda unattractive, are gonna have a boom as well.

    In short, Joe Average won't be able to get that mini-mansion
    anymore. Even the traditional 3/2 might be out of reach. Still,
    if everybody in the chain adjusts to the insurance issues,
    they can still get new houses/housing. The alt is the State
    creating huge nasty buildings full of tiny tiny apts and
    one bathroom per floor - more the old Soviet paradigm.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 30 18:56:48 2023
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    On 9/30/2023 6:19 PM, 55c.1056 wrote:
    https://www.wptv.com/money/real-estate-news/progressive-rebalancing-policies-in-florida-wont-renew-certain-high-risk-properties

    . . .

    They seem to have joined several other biggies that have
    decided to cut their risks, esp after recent hurricanes
    in Florida and the Gulf coast. California fires (and the
    constant quake threat) have led big insurers to cut back
    there as well.

    As to what is "high-risk" ... hard to say at this point.
    Houses where you can see the ocean out the window, for sure.
    However most that live THAT close are already "rich". The
    problem is for the more inland people, the more Regular Joes.
    Joe won't be able to get a loan/mortgage because he can't
    afford property insurance. That means no new homes unless
    lenders radically change their thinking/strategy.

    Expect "mobile home parks" to grow exponentially. DID see :

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d1/a9/45/d1a945768420f28bb0af513cbd6f7f00.jpg

    which is kinda neat. It'd be cheap and strong, foam-backed
    formica or faux-wood paneling for the inside. "Modular"
    buildings, the kind you can largely assemble in a day, even
    if kinda unattractive, are gonna have a boom as well.

    In short, Joe Average won't be able to get that mini-mansion
    anymore. Even the traditional 3/2 might be out of reach. Still,
    if everybody in the chain adjusts to the insurance issues,
    they can still get new houses/housing. The alt is the State
    creating huge nasty buildings full of tiny tiny apts and
    one bathroom per floor - more the old Soviet paradigm.

    Yup. This is one of the many hidden costs of not doing enough to slow
    climate change.

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  • From 55c.1056@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Oct 1 00:02:50 2023
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    On 9/30/23 8:56 PM, John Doe wrote:
    On 9/30/2023 6:19 PM, 55c.1056 wrote:
    https://www.wptv.com/money/real-estate-news/progressive-rebalancing-policies-in-florida-wont-renew-certain-high-risk-properties


    . . .

    They seem to have joined several other biggies that have
    decided to cut their risks, esp after recent hurricanes
    in Florida and the Gulf coast. California fires (and the
    constant quake threat) have led big insurers to cut back
    there as well.

    As to what is "high-risk" ... hard to say at this point.
    Houses where you can see the ocean out the window, for sure.
    However most that live THAT close are already "rich". The
    problem is for the more inland people, the more Regular Joes.
    Joe won't be able to get a loan/mortgage because he can't
    afford property insurance. That means no new homes unless
    lenders radically change their thinking/strategy.

    Expect "mobile home parks" to grow exponentially. DID see :

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d1/a9/45/d1a945768420f28bb0af513cbd6f7f00.jpg >>

    which is kinda neat. It'd be cheap and strong, foam-backed
    formica or faux-wood paneling for the inside. "Modular"
    buildings, the kind you can largely assemble in a day, even
    if kinda unattractive, are gonna have a boom as well.

    In short, Joe Average won't be able to get that mini-mansion
    anymore. Even the traditional 3/2 might be out of reach. Still,
    if everybody in the chain adjusts to the insurance issues,
    they can still get new houses/housing. The alt is the State
    creating huge nasty buildings full of tiny tiny apts and
    one bathroom per floor - more the old Soviet paradigm.

    Yup. This is one of the many hidden costs of not doing enough to slow
    climate change.


    "Climate change" is a constant ... and no, the hurricanes
    and such aren't so much "worse" - it's the COST of rebuilding
    that's gone sky high. For a variety of reasons, it is now
    much more expensive to build/rebuild a house that it was even
    a decade ago. Regs, worse job prospects,, labor costs and regs
    and plain-old inflation have all added to the burden.

    We are now near the peak of yet another property-price bubble.
    Everybody's cashing in and that makes everything extra costly ...
    money which will not be recouped when the bubble bursts (again).

    Insurers have calculated all this in high detail.

    When the USA had a Bright Future, money coming IN nicely
    balanced, indeed over-balanced, the cost of property and
    building. But that was the 60s and we are no longer swimming
    in money. We've become like so many of those "Other Countries",
    kinda just barely getting by so long as China and friends
    keep lending us more cash. One day they are gonna STOP
    lending us money. Then *splat*, the bread and circuses come
    to an abrupt, nasty, end.

    As for insurers - there IS a point where they can, likely
    will, become so risk-sensitive that they will destroy
    themselves ... too few clients, the few in "safe" areas
    (which tend to be poor and 'rural'). Then NADA kinda
    forever. Insurance depends on LOTS of people NOT having
    disasters in order to pay for those few who do have
    disasters. The more insurers shrink themselves, the less
    viable that model.

    So forget about "climate" - beyond "global economic climate".
    There's your real problem here.

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