https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142
Long rambling speech by Putin on BBC, going on about
"betrayers" and "armed mutiny" and internal threats
that can destroy Russia.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66006880 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66007017
https://www.dw.com/en/wagner-head-prigozhin-says-russian-army-attacked-his-forces/a-66016855
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/06/23/russia-war-ukraine-based-on-lie-yevgeny-prigozhin/
. . .
Putin managed a hard fall-out with his own
best commando group - yesterday deciding
to arrest Yevgeny Prigozhin and some other
leaders of Wagner Group.
Wagner claims Russia dropped a missile on one
of their bases and now the word is that Wagner
has seized some Russian bases.
In short, there's a species of civil war now
in progress. WG is large, very well armed,
act like they're on steroids most of the time
and have a lot of connections and money. They
do the dirtiest of the dirty work for Putin
across the globe.
Oh, and important, WG regards itself as
ultra-patriotic and it's also something
of a personality cult. Putin attacks them
and especially their leadership and now
Putin is the "traitor" in their eyes.
Putin managed a hard fall-out with his own
best commando group - yesterday deciding
to arrest Yevgeny Prigozhin and some other
leaders of Wagner Group.
Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin says he ordered his mercenaries to halt
their march on Moscow to avoid “shedding Russian blood”.
On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 12:22:07 -0600, Duke Mantee wrote:
Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin says he ordered his mercenaries to halt
their march on Moscow to avoid “shedding Russian blood”.
There may be a lesson there. What happens when a group like Wagner or whatever Blackwater is called these days doesn't want to play well with
the official military?
Apparently Prigozhin will move to Belarus.
On 6/24/23 4:00 PM, rbowman wrote:Some may wonder who is funding
On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 12:22:07 -0600, Duke Mantee wrote:
Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin says he ordered his mercenaries to halt
their march on Moscow to avoid “shedding Russian blood”.
There may be a lesson there. What happens when a group like Wagner or
whatever Blackwater is called these days doesn't want to play well with
the official military?
Apparently Prigozhin will move to Belarus.
That is what's said ... but there's something WAY
too weird about all that. Putin owns Lucashenko so
Belarus is no safer than Russia proper.
There IS a rumor ... that this whole event was
organized BY Putin - to justify a large and
extreme crackdown on "traitors" in the govt and
beyond.
It's not unprecedented - Erdogan basically did the
exact same thing not so long ago - and he and
Putin are a lot tighter than we'd like. Putin is
a chess-player, such a scheme would be right in
his groove.
On 6/24/23 8:18 PM, 34J.935 wrote:
On 6/24/23 4:00 PM, rbowman wrote:Some may wonder who is funding
On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 12:22:07 -0600, Duke Mantee wrote:
Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin says he ordered his mercenaries to halt >>>> their march on Moscow to avoid “shedding Russian blood”.
There may be a lesson there. What happens when a group like Wagner or
whatever Blackwater is called these days doesn't want to play well with
the official military?
Apparently Prigozhin will move to Belarus.
That is what's said ... but there's something WAY
too weird about all that. Putin owns Lucashenko so
Belarus is no safer than Russia proper.
There IS a rumor ... that this whole event was
organized BY Putin - to justify a large and
extreme crackdown on "traitors" in the govt and
beyond.
It's not unprecedented - Erdogan basically did the
exact same thing not so long ago - and he and
Putin are a lot tighter than we'd like. Putin is
a chess-player, such a scheme would be right in
his groove.
Wagner head Prigozhin and his army?
Where is the money coming from? Where is a good journalist like Whitney
Webb when you need them?
Listen to the vid of Prigozhin and the champagne factory, his concern
for Russia seems genuine.
Wagner head Prigozhin and his army?
Where is the money coming from? Where is a good journalist like Whitney
Webb when you need them?
I think the age of good journalists, even good 'reporters',
has ended. Too much money and politics tied up in "news"
these days.
CNN—And Their Govt Sources—Admit Ukraine Counteroffensive “Not Meeting Expectations.” Plus: Ignorant Liberals Praise Benevolent CIA for
"Securing Brazil's Election"
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142
Long rambling speech by Putin on BBC, going on about
"betrayers" and "armed mutiny" and internal threats
that can destroy Russia.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66006880 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66007017
https://www.dw.com/en/wagner-head-prigozhin-says-russian-army-attacked-his-forces/a-66016855
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/06/23/russia-war-ukraine-based-on-lie-yevgeny-prigozhin/
. . .
Putin managed a hard fall-out with his own
best commando group - yesterday deciding
to arrest Yevgeny Prigozhin and some other
leaders of Wagner Group.
Wagner claims Russia dropped a missile on one
of their bases and now the word is that Wagner
has seized some Russian bases.
In short, there's a species of civil war now
in progress. WG is large, very well armed,
act like they're on steroids most of the time
and have a lot of connections and money. They
do the dirtiest of the dirty work for Putin
across the globe.
Oh, and important, WG regards itself as
ultra-patriotic and it's also something
of a personality cult. Putin attacks them
and especially their leadership and now
Putin is the "traitor" in their eyes.
On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 21:35:17 -0600, Duke Mantee wrote:
CNN—And Their Govt Sources—Admit Ukraine Counteroffensive “Not Meeting >> Expectations.” Plus: Ignorant Liberals Praise Benevolent CIA for
"Securing Brazil's Election"
There's only so much lipstick you can put on the Ukrainian pig. "There
will be many more counteroffensives" is optimistic on Zelensky's part. As
far as the Christians in Action, they're everything the US accuses other nations of doing. In spades.
There is some buzz about China establishing bases in Cuba. The nerve!
That's entirely different than NATO sitting on Russia's doorstep or the US playing games in the South China Sea.
Not sure what you have against Zel - he's doing pretty well IMHO.
He's got the country putting up an extremely good fight against an
invading superpower and Zel himself is having great success raising
funds and hardware from the west so he can carry on the fight. This
is exactly what a good president should be doing under the
circumstances.
Try tuning-out Tucker Carlson for awhile .......
On Sun, 25 Jun 2023 21:12:38 -0400, 34J.935 wrote:
Not sure what you have against Zel - he's doing pretty well IMHO.
He's got the country putting up an extremely good fight against an
invading superpower and Zel himself is having great success raising
funds and hardware from the west so he can carry on the fight. This
is exactly what a good president should be doing under the
circumstances.
Try tuning-out Tucker Carlson for awhile .......
Somehow Zelensky reminds me of the Jerry Lewis telethon... It might have
been for a good cause but Lewis was one annoying son of a bitch.
As for the situation, Zelensky inherited a pig in the poke that started
with Euromaidan. More people than Nuland left fingerprints on that. In a
way I feel sorry for Zelensky. He may end up like Diem after he loses his usefulness.
I've only seen Carlson's show a couple of times when he was on Faux, and watched his first Twitter drop. He's amusing in very small doses but
overdoes the histrionics and eye-rolling for my taste.
This is exactly what he's SUPPOSED to do - get outsiders to supply
arms/stuff/money. He's being a good president. Also, his fight is OUR
fight -
a proxy war that's causing a LOT of damage to Russia yet avoiding the
very deadly perils of direct intervention.
On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 12:22:07 -0600, Duke Mantee wrote:
Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin says he ordered his mercenaries to halt
their march on Moscow to avoid “shedding Russian blood”.
There may be a lesson there. What happens when a group like Wagner or whatever Blackwater is called these days doesn't want to play well with
the official military?
Apparently Prigozhin will move to Belarus.
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