• Uranium Fire at Oak Ridge - Hundreds Evacuated

    From 25B.E866@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 22 23:12:59 2023
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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11781695/Fire-involving-URANIUM-breaks-Tennessee-National-Security-Complex.html

    A fire 'involving uranium' broke out at a National Security
    Complex in Tennessee with all staff being evacuated from the site.

    The National Nuclear Security Administration said that an
    emergency response responded to the blaze on Wednesday morning
    at the Y-12 National Security Complex in Oak Ridge.

    All of their 200 employees were accounted for, with other
    buildings next to the site being evacuated as a precaution.

    Authorities confirmed that the material involved in the fire was
    a metal compound of uranium.

    . . .

    A metal compound of ??? Uranium IS a metal - it really
    won't be keen to form "compounds" (that's a chemical
    term) with other metals. Other metals can be mixed in
    with it, forming an "alloy" though - but WHAT other
    metals and WHY ?

    Anyway, U238/U235 isn't horribly radioactive - but
    it's *persistently* radioactive and can bind with
    proteins and even bone. You don't want it on, or
    in, you.

    Depending on the scale, this could be a BAD incident.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZ@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 22 23:33:10 2023
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    25B.E866 wrote on 2/22/2023 11:12 PM:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11781695/Fire-involving-URANIUM-breaks-Tennessee-National-Security-Complex.html


    A fire 'involving uranium' broke out at a National Security
    Complex in Tennessee with all staff being evacuated from the site.

    The National Nuclear Security Administration said that an
    emergency response responded to the blaze on Wednesday morning
    at the Y-12 National Security Complex in Oak Ridge.

    All of their 200 employees were accounted for, with other
    buildings next to the site being evacuated as a precaution.

    Authorities confirmed that the material involved in the fire was
    a metal compound of uranium.

    . . .

      A metal compound of ??? Uranium IS a metal - it really
      won't be keen to form "compounds" (that's a chemical
      term) with other metals. Other metals can be mixed in
      with it, forming an "alloy" though - but WHAT other
      metals and WHY ?


    Uranium metal is not stable in air. It will form oxides of various form readily, much like iron, copper, and silver do. I think the news meant
    to say "uranium metal compound".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_oxide




    Anyway, U238/U235 isn't horribly radioactive - but
      it's *persistently* radioactive and can bind with
      proteins and even bone. You don't want it on, or
      in, you.

      Depending on the scale, this could be a BAD incident.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 23 06:04:04 2023
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    On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 23:12:59 -0500, 25B.E866 wrote:

    A metal compound of ??? Uranium IS a metal - it really
    won't be keen to form "compounds" (that's a chemical term) with other
    metals. Other metals can be mixed in with it, forming an "alloy"
    though - but WHAT other metals and WHY ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_compounds

    The article was written by a 'journalist'. Just as well it wasn't pure
    uranium.

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  • From 25B.E866@21:1/5 to rbowman on Thu Feb 23 01:19:59 2023
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    On 2/23/23 1:04 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 23:12:59 -0500, 25B.E866 wrote:

    A metal compound of ??? Uranium IS a metal - it really
    won't be keen to form "compounds" (that's a chemical term) with other
    metals. Other metals can be mixed in with it, forming an "alloy"
    though - but WHAT other metals and WHY ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_compounds

    The article was written by a 'journalist'. Just as well it wasn't pure uranium.

    What's interesting is that it was flammable ... makes you
    wonder what weird brew they had there. U/Pu hybrid ???
    That'd be nasty if it escaped.

    But yea, "journalists" are rarely sci/tech ...

    Hmmm ... see that some TV-News "journalists" in
    Orlando rushed the the scene of a shooting in hopes
    of filming some dripping blood ... and got shot
    themselves. One died, the other is fucked-up.

    "And if another woman driver Gets machine-gunned
    from her seat They'll send some joker with a brownie
    And you'll see it all complete ..."
    -FZ. "Trouble Every Day" (1965)
    (I suspect the inspiration for Henley's "Dirty Laundry")

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 23 15:58:13 2023
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    On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 01:19:59 -0500, 25B.E866 wrote:

    What's interesting is that it was flammable ... makes you
    wonder what weird brew they had there. U/Pu hybrid ???
    That'd be nasty if it escaped.

    https://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1969.pdf

    Their chief concern is powdered uranium. Uranium hexafluoride isn't
    flammable but when exposed to water one of the decomposition products is hydrogen fluoride. add more water and you have hydrofluoric acid which is
    nasty stuff.

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  • From Frank <"frank@21:1/5 to rbowman on Thu Feb 23 12:09:41 2023
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    On 2/23/2023 10:58 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 01:19:59 -0500, 25B.E866 wrote:

    What's interesting is that it was flammable ... makes you
    wonder what weird brew they had there. U/Pu hybrid ???
    That'd be nasty if it escaped.

    https://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1969.pdf

    Their chief concern is powdered uranium. Uranium hexafluoride isn't
    flammable but when exposed to water one of the decomposition products is hydrogen fluoride. add more water and you have hydrofluoric acid which is nasty stuff.

    I recall seeing a guy using it on a flintlock:

    https://www.orau.org/health-physics-museum/collection/consumer/depleted-uranium/frizzen.html

    It was also used in bullets but I believe toxicity precludes use today.

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  • From Y A@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 23 14:51:17 2023
    Good morning, how are You ? Fine ?

    Is so, then it is all good.





    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 6:13:08 AM UTC+2, 25B.E866 wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11781695/Fire-involving-URANIUM-breaks-Tennessee-National-Security-Complex.html

    A fire 'involving uranium' broke out at a National Security
    Complex in Tennessee with all staff being evacuated from the site.

    The National Nuclear Security Administration said that an
    emergency response responded to the blaze on Wednesday morning
    at the Y-12 National Security Complex in Oak Ridge.

    All of their 200 employees were accounted for, with other
    buildings next to the site being evacuated as a precaution.

    Authorities confirmed that the material involved in the fire was
    a metal compound of uranium.

    . . .

    A metal compound of ??? Uranium IS a metal - it really
    won't be keen to form "compounds" (that's a chemical
    term) with other metals. Other metals can be mixed in
    with it, forming an "alloy" though - but WHAT other
    metals and WHY ?

    Anyway, U238/U235 isn't horribly radioactive - but
    it's *persistently* radioactive and can bind with
    proteins and even bone. You don't want it on, or
    in, you.

    Depending on the scale, this could be a BAD incident.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Frank on Fri Feb 24 01:13:16 2023
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    On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 12:09:41 -0500, Frank wrote:

    It was also used in bullets but I believe toxicity precludes use today.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/brutal-reason-american-tanks-shoot- depleted-uranium-shells-115571

    https://www.orau.org/health-physics-museum/collection/consumer/depleted- uranium/penetrators.html

    Unless you're driving a tank, a Bradley, or a Warthog.

    I don't know if it's still the case but DU was also used for adjusting the
    CG on aircraft.

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  • From 25B.E866@21:1/5 to Frank on Thu Feb 23 22:44:43 2023
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    On 2/23/23 12:09 PM, Frank wrote:
    On 2/23/2023 10:58 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 01:19:59 -0500, 25B.E866 wrote:

    What's interesting is that it was flammable ... makes you
        wonder what weird brew they had there. U/Pu hybrid ???
        That'd be nasty if it escaped.

    https://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1969.pdf

    Their chief concern is powdered uranium. Uranium hexafluoride isn't
    flammable but when exposed to water one of the decomposition products is
    hydrogen fluoride. add more water and you have hydrofluoric acid which is
    nasty stuff.

    I recall seeing a guy using it on a flintlock:

    https://www.orau.org/health-physics-museum/collection/consumer/depleted-uranium/frizzen.html


    It was also used in bullets but I believe toxicity precludes use today.


    It is very toxic. Don't get it on you. It's one of
    those sneaky poisons too - soaks in before you feel
    much on the skin. We got multiple warnings about
    it in chem-lab classes way back in the day ... heavy
    rubber gloves ......

    Also etches glass - widely used for that purpose.

    Have no idea what it's use would be in bullets.

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  • From 25B.E866@21:1/5 to rbowman on Thu Feb 23 22:56:52 2023
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    On 2/23/23 8:13 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 12:09:41 -0500, Frank wrote:

    It was also used in bullets but I believe toxicity precludes use today.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/brutal-reason-american-tanks-shoot- depleted-uranium-shells-115571

    https://www.orau.org/health-physics-museum/collection/consumer/depleted- uranium/penetrators.html

    Unless you're driving a tank, a Bradley, or a Warthog.

    I don't know if it's still the case but DU was also used for adjusting the
    CG on aircraft.

    That'd be ridiculous. Lead is just as heavy and dirt cheap.

    Uranium is an extremely hard metal. It is also kind of
    like a lighter flint - generates a lot of heat and sparks
    when shattered. This makes it a good projectile for getting
    through heavy armor and lighting-up whatever's inside.

    DU (mostly u238) is not very radioactive - the half life is
    something like 4 billion years. Don't eat it, but basically
    you're not going to wither away just by being around it.
    Enemy propaganda about droves of soldiers/civvies destroyed
    by radiation from US DU rounds is bullshit.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 24 04:58:30 2023
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    On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 22:44:43 -0500, 25B.E866 wrote:


    It is very toxic. Don't get it on you. It's one of those sneaky
    poisons too - soaks in before you feel much on the skin. We got
    multiple warnings about it in chem-lab classes way back in the day ...
    heavy rubber gloves ......

    Also etches glass - widely used for that purpose.'

    I've wondered about those DIY kits to etch roses on your car's windows. I assume it's dilute but still...


    Have no idea what it's use would be in bullets.

    HF? None? DU? Quite popular for shooting up Iraq.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 24 04:54:30 2023
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    On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 22:56:52 -0500, 25B.E866 wrote:

    That'd be ridiculous. Lead is just as heavy and dirt cheap.

    https://www.energy.gov/ne/nuclear-fuel-facts-uranium

    "Density - Uranium metal is very dense. At about 19 grams per cubic
    centimeter, it is 1.67 times more dense than lead."

    https://simpleflying.com/boeing-747-uranium-counterweight/

    Tungsten, the replacement in the 747s, is 19.25 grams per cc. I don't know
    what the relative prices were in the era when it was used in 747s. Boeing possibly could have acquired it very cheaply from the government. The
    extremely high melting point of tungsten may have also been a factor.

    The C-5A is from the same era and I believe it used DU too. No idea if it
    was ever replaced.

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  • From 25A.I866@21:1/5 to rbowman on Fri Feb 24 22:27:33 2023
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    On 2/23/23 11:58 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 22:44:43 -0500, 25B.E866 wrote:


    It is very toxic. Don't get it on you. It's one of those sneaky
    poisons too - soaks in before you feel much on the skin. We got
    multiple warnings about it in chem-lab classes way back in the day ...
    heavy rubber gloves ......

    Also etches glass - widely used for that purpose.'

    I've wondered about those DIY kits to etch roses on your car's windows. I assume it's dilute but still...

    HEAVY RUBBER GLOVES ! "Dilute" here does NOT really
    mean "safe". The shit will rot your organs.

    Have no idea what it's use would be in bullets.

    HF? None? DU? Quite popular for shooting up Iraq.

    Maybe as a toxin ... it has no other function in
    ammunition. If anyone IS using it in ammo it's
    a violation of a number of chemical weapons treaties
    and UN rez.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 25 04:17:44 2023
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    On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 22:27:33 -0500, 25A.I866 wrote:

    Maybe as a toxin ... it has no other function in
    ammunition. If anyone IS using it in ammo it's a violation of a
    number of chemical weapons treaties and UN rez.

    https://21stcenturywire.com/2022/05/03/revealed-are-france-and-nato- shipping-depleted-uranium-weaponry-into-ukraine/

    You really need to research the use of DU in weapons. Not only is it used
    as projectiles it is also used as armor.

    https://taskandpurpose.com/news/a-10-warthog-armor-piercing-incendiary-
    rounds/

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a42676794/radioactive- armor-m1-abrams-tanks/

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  • From 25A.I866@21:1/5 to rbowman on Fri Feb 24 23:50:24 2023
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    On 2/24/23 11:17 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 22:27:33 -0500, 25A.I866 wrote:

    Maybe as a toxin ... it has no other function in
    ammunition. If anyone IS using it in ammo it's a violation of a
    number of chemical weapons treaties and UN rez.

    https://21stcenturywire.com/2022/05/03/revealed-are-france-and-nato- shipping-depleted-uranium-weaponry-into-ukraine/

    You really need to research the use of DU in weapons. Not only is it used
    as projectiles it is also used as armor.

    Um ........ the question was HF, not uranium.

    DU has useful apps in all-out war against heavy armor.

    HF ... none at all.

    https://taskandpurpose.com/news/a-10-warthog-armor-piercing-incendiary- rounds/

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a42676794/radioactive- armor-m1-abrams-tanks/

    And, AS NOTED, DU has a VERY low radiation level. The
    half-life is like 4 BILLION years. You could spend your
    life surrounded by DU rounds and SOMETHING OTHER than
    radiation would kill you.

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