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  • Blue Origin - New Glenn

    From Alain Fournier@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 28 13:31:06 2024
    Blue Origin will probably launch New Glenn in early January. Like
    SpaceX's Falcon rockets the first stage is reusable. I think it is great
    that a second company in the satellite launch market will be reusing
    stages. It will force SpaceX to keep up doing great work if they don't
    want to be surpassed.

    SpasceNews says:
    "The company has not disclosed a launch date for the inaugural flight,
    called NG-1. However, there is one airspace advisory for a New Glenn
    launch Jan. 6 between 1 a.m. and 4:45 a.m. Eastern, with a backup
    opportunity at the same time the next day."

    https://spacenews.com/blue-origin-test-fires-new-glenn-first-stage-ahead-of-inaugural-launch


    Alain Fournier

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  • From The Running Man@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Dec 28 22:08:22 2024
    On 28/12/2024 19:31 Alain Fournier <[email protected]> wrote:
    Blue Origin will probably launch New Glenn in early January. Like
    SpaceX's Falcon rockets the first stage is reusable. I think it is great
    that a second company in the satellite launch market will be reusing
    stages. It will force SpaceX to keep up doing great work if they don't
    want to be surpassed.

    Are they attempting to land the first stage on the first try?!

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  • From Alain Fournier@21:1/5 to The Running Man on Sat Dec 28 18:57:04 2024
    On 2024-12-28 5:08 p.m., The Running Man wrote:
    On 28/12/2024 19:31 Alain Fournier <[email protected]> wrote:
    Blue Origin will probably launch New Glenn in early January. Like
    SpaceX's Falcon rockets the first stage is reusable. I think it is great
    that a second company in the satellite launch market will be reusing
    stages. It will force SpaceX to keep up doing great work if they don't
    want to be surpassed.

    Are they attempting to land the first stage on the first try?!

    I don't really know, but my understanding is that yes they will attempt
    to land the first stage on a barge at the first flight. They are not necessarily expecting a success, but I think they will try.


    Alain Fournier

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  • From The Running Man@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Dec 29 05:34:30 2024
    On 29/12/2024 02:54 Snidely <[email protected]> wrote:
    The Running Man wrote on 12/28/2024 :
    On 28/12/2024 19:31 Alain Fournier <[email protected]> wrote:
    Blue Origin will probably launch New Glenn in early January. Like
    SpaceX's Falcon rockets the first stage is reusable. I think it is great >>> that a second company in the satellite launch market will be reusing
    stages. It will force SpaceX to keep up doing great work if they don't
    want to be surpassed.

    Are they attempting to land the first stage on the first try?!

    Yep.

    They do have some experience landing, but with a single hydrolox motor,
    and a different trajectory. We'll see soon how much of a difference
    that makes.


    Risky. The could lose the barge.

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  • From Alain Fournier@21:1/5 to Snidely on Sun Dec 29 06:34:15 2024
    On 2024-12-28 8:54 p.m., Snidely wrote:
    The Running Man wrote on 12/28/2024 :
    On 28/12/2024 19:31 Alain Fournier <[email protected]> wrote:
    Blue Origin will probably launch New Glenn in early January. Like
    SpaceX's Falcon rockets the first stage is reusable. I think it is
    great that a second company in the satellite launch market will be
    reusing stages. It will force SpaceX to keep up doing great work if
    they don't want to be surpassed.

    Are they attempting to land the first stage on the first try?!

    Yep.

    They do have some experience landing, but with a single hydrolox motor,
    and a different trajectory.  We'll see soon how much of a difference
    that makes.

    I don't think the difference in trajectory is important here. It is what happens in the last few hundred meters that matters. The trajectories
    are similar in the last few hundred meters. Of course, if they can't
    properly control their booster when it is 50 km up, they won't succeed
    in landing. But in such a case, I would assume that they would abort
    trying to land on the barge.

    The difference in motors is quite relevant. But also the difference in air-frame.

    When SpaceX was doing their first attempts at landing on a barge, they
    had a few, uh, how would I call that, exciting landings. The barge was sometimes damaged in the ensuing explosions, but the barge did survive.
    I am kind of expecting the same to happen with Blue Origin. They will
    probably have a few *near success* barge landings before having a
    success. They probably are kind of expecting that. I think their barge
    was built accordingly.


    Alain Fournier

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  • From Alain Fournier@21:1/5 to The Running Man on Mon Jan 6 16:14:05 2025
    On 2024-12-29 12:34 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
    On 29/12/2024 02:54 Snidely <[email protected]> wrote:
    The Running Man wrote on 12/28/2024 :
    On 28/12/2024 19:31 Alain Fournier <[email protected]> wrote:
    Blue Origin will probably launch New Glenn in early January. Like
    SpaceX's Falcon rockets the first stage is reusable. I think it is great >>>> that a second company in the satellite launch market will be reusing
    stages. It will force SpaceX to keep up doing great work if they don't >>>> want to be surpassed.

    Are they attempting to land the first stage on the first try?!

    Yep.

    They do have some experience landing, but with a single hydrolox motor,
    and a different trajectory. We'll see soon how much of a difference
    that makes.


    Risky. The could lose the barge.

    The first stage landing ship has left Port Canaveral for the Atlantic
    Ocean. I still haven't seen any official launch date announced, but
    Friday seems the likely launch date. Of course, the first launch of a
    new type of rocket is quite frequently delayed.


    Alain Fournier

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  • From The Running Man@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Jan 13 22:08:33 2025
    On 13/01/2025 21:46 Snidely <[email protected]> wrote:
    on 1/9/2025, Snidely supposed :
    Snidely suggested that ...
    Snidely suggested that ...
    Alain Fournier blurted out:
    On 2024-12-29 12:34 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
    On 29/12/2024 02:54 Snidely <[email protected]> wrote:
    The Running Man wrote on 12/28/2024 :
    On 28/12/2024 19:31 Alain Fournier <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Blue Origin will probably launch New Glenn in early January. Like >>>>>>>>> SpaceX's Falcon rockets the first stage is reusable. I think it is >>>>>>>>> great
    that a second company in the satellite launch market will be reusing >>>>>>>>> stages. It will force SpaceX to keep up doing great work if they >>>>>>>>> don't
    want to be surpassed.

    Are they attempting to land the first stage on the first try?!

    Yep.

    They do have some experience landing, but with a single hydrolox motor, >>>>>>> and a different trajectory. We'll see soon how much of a difference >>>>>>> that makes.


    Risky. The could lose the barge.

    The first stage landing ship has left Port Canaveral for the Atlantic >>>>> Ocean. I still haven't seen any official launch date announced, but
    Friday seems the likely launch date. Of course, the first launch of a new >>>>> type of rocket is quite frequently delayed.


    Alain Fournier

    Yes, the 10th seems to be the consensus of observers pending official
    announcements.

    9th or 10th depending on timezone of observer

    And now seems to be Jan 12 1 am EST.

    Well, they tried. Eric Berger has heard that a vent line icing up
    prevented lift off, and we await a new schedule.


    Was it a called morning in Florida? Or due to the cryogenic
    liquids?

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  • From The Running Man@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Jan 16 12:32:14 2025
    On 16/01/2025 12:27 Snidely <[email protected]> wrote:
    Snidely used thar keyboard to writen:
    With a quizzical look, Snidely observed:
    Alain Fournier pounded on thar keyboard to tell us
    On 2024-12-28 5:08 p.m., The Running Man wrote:
    On 28/12/2024 19:31 Alain Fournier <[email protected]> wrote:
    Blue Origin will probably launch New Glenn in early January. Like
    SpaceX's Falcon rockets the first stage is reusable. I think it is great >>>>>> that a second company in the satellite launch market will be reusing >>>>>> stages. It will force SpaceX to keep up doing great work if they don't >>>>>> want to be surpassed.

    Are they attempting to land the first stage on the first try?!

    I don't really know, but my understanding is that yes they will attempt to >>>> land the first stage on a barge

    "Landing Platform Vessel" (LPV-1 "Jacklyn")

    at the first flight. They are not necessarily expecting a success, but I >>>> think they will try.


    Alain Fournier

    NSF coverage goes live at 6pm PST on January 9; launch window is Jan 10 1 >>> am to 4 am EST (Jan 9 10 pm PST to 1 am).

    /dps

    Given reduced waves, under 11 hours from now (targeting Jan 11 1am EST).

    Made it an hour into the window on Jan 16; successfully reached orbit.
    First stage was doing fine well into the entry burn, but was not
    recovered. Details pending. Payload activation details pending.


    The telemetry from the first stage seemed to stop a few seconds
    after the re-entry burn started.

    But no one expected them to stick the landing on the first try.

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