On 7/28/2025 1:49 PM, JTEM wrote:
"Evid
What is it that you want??
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/28/2025 1:49 PM, JTEM wrote:
"Evid
What is it that you want??
Attention.
You are so obliging.
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/28/2025 4:56 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/28/25 4:35 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
On 7/28/2025 1:49 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/28/25 2:31 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
If someone is lying,
You are religious, dogmatic. You need the priests to "Reveal"
the truth to you. You need "Gospels" to spell it out for you.
You're not capable of reading for comprehension.
"Evidence" is not French for "Proof." It either is or is not
consistent with a particular answer/interpretation. In this
case, it's consistent with life.
Now, NASA pretending that there's only one biosignature and
it could just as easily have come from simple chemical
reactions, instead of biology, is a lie. There's ZERO evidence
for this. Biology is the only known source.
Yes, it can be produced by industrial means but even THAT
requires biology, us.
All combined this is consistent with "The Search for Life"
on Mars where the optics NASA spent several billion dollars
sending to Mars can't even see bacteria, or most of it here
on earth, and none of what may be fossilized life in the now
famous "Mars Rock."
What is it that you want??
Nothing from you. This us usenet -- discussion groups -- and you
are incapable of such.
You have this compulsion, this need to obstruct... which is
actually textbook behavior for a narcissistic personality
disorder.
You can't be cured but you try to change your behavior at least.
Concentrate on the facts I raise. If you disagree with any,
identify
them. Express why you disagree... something other than "But the
media said!"
You've never dated me, and so, your claim about me is baseless!
But, seriously, what is it that you want NASA administration to
do differently?! Now is the time to act!! The Crackpot in
Chief has only 3.5 years left in his sole remaining term, and
so, if you want action, now is the time to pursue it!!
His clowns are waiting for you!!!
Dawn
i think he's trying to chat you up
On 7/27/2025 1:43 AM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/24/25 11:48 PM, Pro Plyd wrote:
In April, a team of scientists based at the
University of Cambridge claimed that a planet
orbiting a distant star bore a possible
signature of life.
Talking about this story:
https://archive.is/ApwLm
This was confirmation of a previous analysis of the
very same planet.
The planet has been of special interests since at
least 2015. It was considered a candidate for life
back then. They detected Dimethyl sulfide in the
atmosphere two years ago, or at least that's when
it was reported, and they confirmed the findings
again in April.
Dimethyl sulfide is a VERY tasty biosignature
because, unlike most biosignatures, we know of
no non-biological means to produce it. They also
found other "Biosignatures" but this dimethyl
sulfide is so exciting because, as far as anyone
knows, it can only come from life.
Well. It can be the result of industrial emissions,
yes, but those in turn are the product of biological
activity i.e. man.
So they found MORE THAN ONE biosignature and even
got a confirmation of this all important Dimethyl
sulfide signature. And...
But the new observations have failed to confirm
evidence for life.
This is not true. Read the cite.
We have a detection of biosignatures. We have a
confirmation of those biosignatures. And then we
have a "Failed to Confirm."
It's been confirmed. At least twice now.
In the original study, the
Cambridge team claimed that K2-18b appeared to
have a gas in its atmosphere that on Earth is
produced only by living things. The NASA study
did not find strong evidence for that gas.
This is stating that they found evidence for the gas.
"Strong" is the word you need to take note of. They
are NOT saying that they did not find evidence, they
are saying that they did find evidence but it's not
very "Strong."
So we have three studies finding evidence for this
Dimethyl sulfide....
What�s more, the NASA team argues that even if
the gas was on K2-18b,
There are ZERO non biological sources on the planet
earth. There are ZERO known non biological sources.
The gas was found in 2023. They confirmed that finding
in April. Now NASA just found evidence for that gas though
they say it's not "Strong" evidence... and that a gas with
ZERO non biological sources could have resulted from a
non biological source....
They are lying. Again.
NASA is phenomenally consistent with the denial of any
evidence for life outside of earth. I've already been
over this in the example of Mars...
it might have formed
through mere chemistry.
It's not know to have EVER come into existence from a
non biological source.
What once seemed like
a promising clue of life � a biosignature �
might be a mirage.
Actually, it looks more like NASA is actively squashing
the story. The exact same NASA that went searching for life
on Mars using optics that can't even see bacterial life on
earth, most of it anyway, or any suspected like on Mars (the
famous structures within the Mars Rock) is telling you that
a biosignature with precisely ZERO known non-biological
sources may have originated from a non-biological source, and
that's why a second confirmation (at least) of biosignatures
is not any kind of confirmation....
But even their claims here, which as incredibly misleading,
do imply that they found alien life.
NASA found evidence for that life!� They say it's not
"Strong" evidence but even "Less than strong evidence" is
still evidence, AND TOGETHER WITH THE PREVIOUS FINDINGS
strengthens the claim that we have found a life bearing
world.
NASA is a government agency. They do not exist to inform you.
They exist to carry out policy, not make it.
The term for this is "science". No, no one is lying; rather, some >investigators are either simply wrong or extrapolating beyond the
evidences that are currently available. In either case, everyone is
acting in good faith!
On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 23:35:24 -0500, Dawn Flood
<[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id <1066uma$21fmk$[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/27/2025 1:43 AM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/24/25 11:48 PM, Pro Plyd wrote:
> In April, a team of scientists based at the
> University of Cambridge claimed that a planet
> orbiting a distant star bore a possible
> signature of life.
Talking about this story:
https://archive.is/ApwLm
This was confirmation of a previous analysis of the
very same planet.
The planet has been of special interests since at
least 2015. It was considered a candidate for life
back then. They detected Dimethyl sulfide in the
atmosphere two years ago, or at least that's when
it was reported, and they confirmed the findings
again in April.
Dimethyl sulfide is a VERY tasty biosignature
because, unlike most biosignatures, we know of
no non-biological means to produce it. They also
found other "Biosignatures" but this dimethyl
sulfide is so exciting because, as far as anyone
knows, it can only come from life.
Well. It can be the result of industrial emissions,
yes, but those in turn are the product of biological
activity i.e. man.
So they found MORE THAN ONE biosignature and even
got a confirmation of this all important Dimethyl
sulfide signature. And...
> But the new observations have failed to confirm
> evidence for life.
This is not true. Read the cite.
We have a detection of biosignatures. We have a
confirmation of those biosignatures. And then we
have a "Failed to Confirm."
It's been confirmed. At least twice now.
> In the original study, the
> Cambridge team claimed that K2-18b appeared to
> have a gas in its atmosphere that on Earth is
> produced only by living things. The NASA study
> did not find strong evidence for that gas.
This is stating that they found evidence for the gas.
"Strong" is the word you need to take note of. They
are NOT saying that they did not find evidence, they
are saying that they did find evidence but it's not
very "Strong."
So we have three studies finding evidence for this
Dimethyl sulfide....
> What’s more, the NASA team argues that even if
> the gas was on K2-18b,
There are ZERO non biological sources on the planet
earth. There are ZERO known non biological sources.
The gas was found in 2023. They confirmed that finding
in April. Now NASA just found evidence for that gas though
they say it's not "Strong" evidence... and that a gas with
ZERO non biological sources could have resulted from a
non biological source....
They are lying. Again.
NASA is phenomenally consistent with the denial of any
evidence for life outside of earth. I've already been
over this in the example of Mars...
> it might have formed
> through mere chemistry.
It's not know to have EVER come into existence from a
non biological source.
> What once seemed like
> a promising clue of life — a biosignature —
> might be a mirage.
Actually, it looks more like NASA is actively squashing
the story. The exact same NASA that went searching for life
on Mars using optics that can't even see bacterial life on
earth, most of it anyway, or any suspected like on Mars (the
famous structures within the Mars Rock) is telling you that
a biosignature with precisely ZERO known non-biological
sources may have originated from a non-biological source, and
that's why a second confirmation (at least) of biosignatures
is not any kind of confirmation....
But even their claims here, which as incredibly misleading,
do imply that they found alien life.
NASA found evidence for that life! They say it's not
"Strong" evidence but even "Less than strong evidence" is
still evidence, AND TOGETHER WITH THE PREVIOUS FINDINGS
strengthens the claim that we have found a life bearing
world.
NASA is a government agency. They do not exist to inform you.
They exist to carry out policy, not make it.
The term for this is "science". No, no one is lying; rather, some
investigators are either simply wrong or extrapolating beyond the
evidences that are currently available. In either case, everyone is
acting in good faith!
These discussions usually leave out one critical phrase -
"life as we know it".
However it is possible there is a lot of life as we don't
know it and such life could leave signs we cannot recognize.
It is all guesswork on all sides until we actually go and
see.
On 7/31/25 10:17 AM, jojo wrote:
i feel we will detect life outside our planet before 2050.
I feel confident that "we" -- humanity -- already has.
Bacterial life.
The massive problem with the example of Mars is that we
not only have to find it, we have to rule out it being
Earth Life.... contamination.
We need a return mission.
On 7/31/25 7:39 AM, Attila wrote:
However it is possible there is a lot of life as we don't
know it and such life could leave signs we cannot recognize.
It is all guesswork on all sides until we actually go and
see.
Yes but no you're "Arguing" for what we don't know, instead of
what we know. This happens a lot about UFO "enthusiasts."
Us: "You can't travel faster than the speed of light."
UFO nutter: "We don't know! They're aliens. We don't know.
Maybe they can. Maybe they got super advanced alien tech we
don't know about!"
The problem is, this "Arguing" out of ignorance doesn't know
how to distinguish between "We don't know how to do that" and
"As far as we know, that can't be done."
We do NOT know how to travel 80% of the speed of light. But,
as far as we know, it's impossible to travel at the speed of
light.
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