Six of one, half dozen of the other.
Unless we're talking "Baker's Dozen" here. Then it would be
6.5 of one, half dozen of the other.
You know, cus a baker's dozen is 13. Right?
Right?
But the really tough part about the search for alien life
is that it's probably easier found on distant worlds then
right here in our solar system. And I'm talking Far
distant... tens or a hundred light years away, or beyond!
If there's life on any of the "Heavenly Bodies" in our
solar system, outside of earth, then it's most probably
microbial, and not exactly "Abundant" by earth standards.
Because, if it weren't, if it were abundant and oh so
complex it would undoubtedly leave a few more markers in
the atmospheres of their worlds.
Life. Changes. The world.
I mean, "People are terrible! We're changing the planet!"
is an idea drilled into your skull at every conceivable
moment but, it's a lie. Which is to say, it's a lie that
humans shouldn't be changing our world or that every other
form of life isn't doing the same.
The first mass extinction event known to science happened
on about 2 billion years ago and it was called "The Great
Oxidation Event." This was when the oxygen expelled by life
as a waste product had so saturated the atmosphere that it
began poisoning the very life expelling it.
Oxygen was a waste product, yes, and you go try surviving
on a diet of your own poop if you're having difficulty
grasping how oxygen killed things...
Do you see? If a planet is filled with life, if it's
abundant and complex -- this is not the One Note Wonder
of life -- then we're going to pick up clear biosignatures
in their atmosphere. A life bearing world, on the scale of
an earth of close enough, is effectively broadcasting the
existence of that life to anyone who cares to listen... or
look, as in this case.
"Biosignatures" are the markers of life. Oxygen likes to
combine with things, it doesn't stick around in the
atmosphere, so if we detect a lot of it that suggests life.
Same with methane. Same with a lot of things. And although
most do have potential origins totally removed from anything
living, we can start to talk about combinations and
frequency. And of course there are things that we presently
only ever associate with life, we know of no non-living
means for their presence. And we refer to all of these
things collectively as "Biosignatures." and we can detect
them at very great distances.
....different elements absorb light differently so we
study a target planet, see what it's absorbing & work out
what it would need in it's atmosphere to do that.
Biosignatures. And if a planet is teeming with life it
would be easier to that proof of life than it would be to
find a smattering of bacteria clinging to the underside of
some rocks on Mars or Ganymede.
NOTE TO UFO ENTHUSIASTS:
If aliens are here as you believe then they clearly are
making some efforts -- SUFFICIENT efforts -- to maintain
"plausible deniability." Put short: They're hiding from us,
and they are for the most part succeeding. But...
But could they hide an entire planet?
Could they hide their planet's atmosphere?
So even if you're right about aliens buzzing the earth, it
would still be easier to spot their distant worlds than it
would be to find them here on our own planet.
Six of one, half dozen of the other.
Unless we're talking "Baker's Dozen" here. Then it would be
6.5 of one, half dozen of the other.
You know, cus a baker's dozen is 13. Right?
Right?
But the really tough part about the search for alien life
is that it's probably easier found on distant worlds then
right here in our solar system. And I'm talking *Far*
distant... tens or a hundred light years away, or beyond!
If there's life on any of the "Heavenly Bodies" in our
solar system, outside of earth, then it's most probably
microbial, and not exactly "Abundant" by earth standards.
Because, if it weren't, if it were abundant and oh so
complex it would undoubtedly leave a few more markers in
the atmospheres of their worlds.
Life. Changes. The world.
I mean, "People are terrible! We're changing the planet!"
is an idea drilled into your skull at every conceivable
moment but, it's a lie. Which is to say, it's a lie that
humans shouldn't be changing our world or that every other
form of life isn't doing the same.
The first mass extinction event known to science happened
on about 2 billion years ago and it was called "The Great
Oxidation Event." This was when the oxygen expelled by life
as a waste product had so saturated the atmosphere that it
began poisoning the very life expelling it.
Oxygen was a waste product, yes, and you go try surviving
on a diet of your own poop if you're having difficulty
grasping how oxygen killed things...
Do you see? If a planet is filled with life, if it's
abundant and complex -- this is not the One Note Wonder
of life -- then we're going to pick up clear biosignatures
in their atmosphere. A life bearing world, on the scale of
an earth of close enough, is effectively broadcasting the
existence of that life to anyone who cares to listen... or
look, as in this case.
"Biosignatures" are the markers of life. Oxygen likes to
combine with things, it doesn't stick around in the
atmosphere, so if we detect a lot of it that suggests life.
Same with methane. Same with a lot of things. And although
most do have potential origins totally removed from anything
living, we can start to talk about combinations and
frequency. And of course there are things that we presently
only ever associate with life, we know of no non-living
means for their presence. And we refer to all of these
things collectively as "Biosignatures." and we can detect
them at very great distances.
....different elements absorb light differently so we
study a target planet, see what it's absorbing & work out
what it would need in it's atmosphere to do that.
Biosignatures. And if a planet is teeming with life it
would be easier to that proof of life than it would be to
find a smattering of bacteria clinging to the underside of
some rocks on Mars or Ganymede.
NOTE TO UFO ENTHUSIASTS:
If aliens are here as you believe then they clearly are
making some efforts -- SUFFICIENT efforts -- to maintain
"plausible deniability." Put short: They're hiding from us,
and they are for the most part succeeding. But...
But could they hide an entire planet?
Could they hide their planet's atmosphere?
So even if you're right about aliens buzzing the earth, it
would still be easier to spot their distant worlds than it
would be to find them here on our own planet.
On 6/27/25 11:00 PM, jojo wrote:
we need more good and better space telescopes like kepler.
I'd go further. I'd say we need to prioritize space and
science in general.
On 6/27/25 11:18 PM, jojo wrote:
yes, at least 5% of gdp should goto space and fundamental research.
What we desperately need is peace, so we can redirect military
spending into science.
AND, it's probably a good idea to redirect rather than just cut
that spending, because it's too much of our economy to just
erase overnight.
The B2 requires over 100 hours of maintenance for every one hour
of flight, with an estimated cost into the tens of millions.
The pilot training is "Iffy." Google places the cost to train a
pilot at anywhere from $1 million to $5 million...
We haven't even talked about buying the plane!
They officially bought 20 of them, crashed one...
What if we could take spy satellite technology and put it in
orbit around Mars? The moon? Anywhere of interest in the solar
system? We can't now because that would be showing China and
everyone else what we can see.
JTEM wrote:
On 6/27/25 11:18 PM, jojo wrote:
yes, at least 5% of gdp should goto space and fundamental research.
What we desperately need is peace, so we can redirect military
spending into science.
AND, it's probably a good idea to redirect rather than just cut
that spending, because it's too much of our economy to just
erase overnight.
The B2 requires over 100 hours of maintenance for every one hour
of flight, with an estimated cost into the tens of millions.
The pilot training is "Iffy." Google places the cost to train a
pilot at anywhere from $1 million to $5 million...
We haven't even talked about buying the plane!
They officially bought 20 of them, crashed one...
What if we could take spy satellite technology and put it in
orbit around Mars? The moon? Anywhere of interest in the solar
system? We can't now because that would be showing China and
everyone else what we can see.
Thanks so much, JTEM. Your insights are quite welcome here.
On 6/27/25 11:18 PM, jojo wrote:
yes, at least 5% of gdp should goto space and fundamental research.
What we desperately need is peace, so we can redirect military
spending into science.
AND, it's probably a good idea to redirect rather than just cut
that spending, because it's too much of our economy to just
erase overnight.
The B2 requires over 100 hours of maintenance for every one hour
of flight, with an estimated cost into the tens of millions.
The pilot training is "Iffy." Google places the cost to train a
pilot at anywhere from $1 million to $5 million...
We haven't even talked about buying the plane!
They officially bought 20 of them, crashed one...
What if we could take spy satellite technology and put it in
orbit around Mars? The moon? Anywhere of interest in the solar
system? We can't now because that would be showing China and
everyone else what we can see.
Attila wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 02:22:48 -0400, JTEM <[email protected]>
What we desperately need is peace, so we can redirect military
spending into science.
That would last just long enough for us to be invaded.
No. I said "Peace" not a "Ceasefire."
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 20:42:01 GMT, "Henderson"
<[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id <tsY7Q.194262$YI%[email protected]> wrote:
JTEM wrote:
research. >>On 6/27/25 11:18 PM, jojo wrote:
yes, at least 5% of gdp should goto space and fundamental
What we desperately need is peace, so we can redirect military
spending into science.
AND, it's probably a good idea to redirect rather than just cut
that spending, because it's too much of our economy to just
erase overnight.
The B2 requires over 100 hours of maintenance for every one hour
of flight, with an estimated cost into the tens of millions.
The pilot training is "Iffy." Google places the cost to train a
pilot at anywhere from $1 million to $5 million...
We haven't even talked about buying the plane!
They officially bought 20 of them, crashed one...
What if we could take spy satellite technology and put it in
orbit around Mars? The moon? Anywhere of interest in the solar
system? We can't now because that would be showing China and
everyone else what we can see.
Thanks so much, JTEM. Your insights are quite welcome here.
You must be new.
Attila wrote:
"so we can redirect military spending into science."
Yes. What is it you're having so much difficulty with?
If we had "Peace on earth," if we didn't need these
militarizes we could re-direct spending to science.
Exactly right.
Problem is, you being a disordered twit, you can't
see beyond yourself, and you are stuck in today.
On 7/2/25 11:51 PM, Attila wrote:
The real
Stop being a pussy.
Attila wrote:
If you would bother to look at message
IT'S A THREAD ABOUT exo (astro) biology.
For some reason this triggered one or more of your
personality disorders...
Fact is we can find life bearing worlds at great
distances, and do so far easier than we can find
life within our own solar system.
This triggered you and for that I am laughing at you!
You're a joke!
Or was it the fact that if UFO mythology is correct,
little gray men are visiting the earth, then it would
STILL be easier to identify their home world, prove
that there is life on their home world than it would be
to prove that they are here...
Did THAT trigger you?
Was it THAT that caused your emotional collapse?
Why?
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