Okay I did the Google thing and apparently the
bacterial life we're so familiar with, here on Earth,
typically ranges from 1 to 10 microns in size. And,
the famous "Fossil-looking" structures found within
the Mars Rock maxed out at maybe 2 microns in size.
That was them at their biggest.
But, NASA's $2.5 billion dollar Curiosity rover, whose
entire mission can be summed up as "Searching for Life"
can't image anything smaller than 12.5 microns!
Get it? The machine sent to Mars to search for life
can't even see bacterial life as we know it here on the
Earth!
Most of it, anyway.
When what we know is bacterial life usually maxes out
at 10 microns, and what we think May be Mars life
fossilized in a rock maxes out at 2 microns, they
built Curiosity so it can't see down further than 12.5
microns.
IT'S OFF BY 2.5 MICRONS FOR MOST OF EARTH LIFE,
PERHAPS MORE THAN 10.5 MICRONS FOR MARS LIFE, going
by the famous "Mars Rock" meteorite...
So them's the facts, according to the Google, searching
online sources.
The facts suggests a few possibilities here, not all of
them equal in probability...
#1.
They don't want to find life on Mars.
There are many who don't. Some even believe it would
be horribly disruptive to human society -- proof of
life on other worlds. Then again, some believed that
Gilligan's Island & I Love Lucy were real, so there's
no accounting for beliefs. But it is a fact that there
is a school of thought that life on other worlds,
knowledge thereof, could be very disruptive to human
society.
#2.
They've already found it.
For all we know there's libraries of data, terabytes of
images and countless scientific papers all confirming
life on Mars, and the instrumentation is looking for
something else.
That famous Mars Rock I keep talking about, for
example? Maybe it was conclusively shown to contain
fossilized life, as there is testing that is claimed to
be definitive in such matters. Or at least it was
definitive until it was actually performed on the Mars
Rock and confirmed "Life." This really happened. The
definitive test that was fool-proof in identifying
fossilized life from natural rock suddenly stopped
being definitive the moment it returned a positive on
the Mars Rock. But maybe it didn't... didn't stop being
definitive. Maybe it convinced NASA and the experts so
they aren't looking for such proof anymore.
Maybe they're looking for something else.
Maybe NASA isn't looking for life on Mars now, maybe
they're looking for larger and/or more complex life forms.
Maybe they're looking for multicellular, complex life
forms. Or...
Or, combined with #1 (above), they know exactly what the
life on Mars looks like and they're trying to avoid it!
The above rephrased...
Think of this: Experiments/instrumentation are engineered
to tell NASA things it doesn't know. So if there's
something obvious that they're missing -- like lenses that
can see life as we know it to exist in the case of Bacteria
-- then maybe it's because such images could not tell NASA
anything that they don't already know, or want to know.
#3.
Earth contamination
Maybe the possibility of earth contamination is so strong,
from all the probes and whatnot, that 12.5 microns is the
absolute smallest they can confidently go without the fear
of "Detecting" earth contamination. (See #2, above)
Finding macroscopic life would rule out human
contamination, as there's been about 60 years where we
have potentially been contaminating Mars. That just doesn't
seem long enough for microscopic contamination to evolve
into anything larger and more complex. And if we fond some
pretty big fossilized life forms, and it's old enough, it
could potentially rule out any flavor of Panspermia seeding
Mars with life from the Earth or elsewhere. Thus...
If you think there's life but want to rule out human
contamination, or even some flavor of Panspermia where
life jumps from the Earth to Mars, the older, the larger and
more complex the life is, the better.
#4.
They're lying
Okay so maybe they're not stupid, maybe they're not
paranoid and maybe, just maybe they don't have proof
positive of life on Mars but they are certain that they'd
want to control all the information if they do find it.
So, they lie to us. They did include instruments that can
image bacterial life as we know it, perhaps even bacterial
life as the Mars Rock might contain, but they lied because
their job is to do the science, collect the data and leave
it to the elected officials to decide when & if that data
will be released. NASA, after all, exists to carry out
government policy. It does not make government policy.
Elected Officials = Make policy
NASA = Carries out policy
So they lie to us. They hide the fact that they're capable
of detecting bacterial life so in the event they do detect
it they can better keep it a a secret unless & until the
elected officials decide to announce it.
Four explanations, not all of equal likelihood.
(Repost from 2022)
On 6/26/2025 1:58 AM, JTEM wrote:
Okay I did the Google thing and apparently the
bacterial life we're so familiar with, here on Earth,
typically ranges from 1 to 10 microns in size. And,
the famous "Fossil-looking" structures found within
the Mars Rock maxed out at maybe 2 microns in size.
That was them at their biggest.
But, NASA's $2.5 billion dollar Curiosity rover, whose
entire mission can be summed up as "Searching for Life"
can't image anything smaller than 12.5 microns!
Get it? The machine sent to Mars to search for life
can't even see bacterial life as we know it here on the
Earth!
Most of it, anyway.
When what we know is bacterial life usually maxes out
at 10 microns, and what we think /May/ be Mars life
fossilized in a rock maxes out at 2 microns, they
built Curiosity so it can't see down further than 12.5
microns.
IT'S OFF BY 2.5 MICRONS FOR MOST OF EARTH LIFE,
PERHAPS MORE THAN 10.5 MICRONS FOR MARS LIFE, going
by the famous "Mars Rock" meteorite...
So them's the facts, according to the Google, searching
online sources.
The facts suggests a few possibilities here, not all of
them equal in probability...
#1.
They don't want to find life on Mars.
There are many who don't. Some even believe it would
be horribly disruptive to human society -- proof of
life on other worlds. Then again, some believed that
Gilligan's Island & I Love Lucy were real, so there's
no accounting for beliefs. But it is a fact that there
is a school of thought that life on other worlds,
knowledge thereof, could be very disruptive to human
society.
#2.
They've already found it.
For all we know there's libraries of data, terabytes of
images and countless scientific papers all confirming
life on Mars, and the instrumentation is looking for
something else.
That famous Mars Rock I keep talking about, for
example? Maybe it was conclusively shown to contain
fossilized life, as there is testing that is claimed to
be definitive in such matters. Or at least it was
definitive until it was actually performed on the Mars
Rock and confirmed "Life." This really happened. The
definitive test that was fool-proof in identifying
fossilized life from natural rock suddenly stopped
being definitive the moment it returned a positive on
the Mars Rock. But maybe it didn't... didn't stop being
definitive. Maybe it convinced NASA and the experts so
they aren't looking for such proof anymore.
Maybe they're looking for something else.
Maybe NASA isn't looking for life on Mars now, maybe
they're looking for larger and/or more complex life forms.
Maybe they're looking for multicellular, complex life
forms. Or...
Or, combined with #1 (above), they know exactly what the
life on Mars looks like and they're trying to avoid it!
The above rephrased...
Think of this: Experiments/instrumentation are engineered
to tell NASA things it doesn't know. So if there's
something obvious that they're missing -- like lenses that
can see life as we know it to exist in the case of Bacteria
-- then maybe it's because such images could not tell NASA
anything that they don't already know, or want to know.
#3.
Earth contamination
Maybe the possibility of earth contamination is so strong,
from all the probes and whatnot, that 12.5 microns is the
absolute smallest they can confidently go without the fear
of "Detecting" earth contamination. (See #2, above)
Finding macroscopic life would rule out human
contamination, as there's been about 60 years where we
have potentially been contaminating Mars. That just doesn't
seem long enough for microscopic contamination to evolve
into anything larger and more complex. And if we fond some
pretty big fossilized life forms, and it's old enough, it
could potentially rule out any flavor of Panspermia seeding
Mars with life from the Earth or elsewhere. Thus...
If you think there's life but want to rule out human
contamination, or even some flavor of Panspermia where
life jumps from the Earth to Mars, the older, the larger and
more complex the life is, the better.
#4.
They're lying
Okay so maybe they're not stupid, maybe they're not
paranoid and maybe, just maybe they don't have proof
positive of life on Mars but they are certain that they'd
want to control all the information if they do find it.
So, they lie to us. They did include instruments that can
image bacterial life as we know it, perhaps even bacterial
life as the Mars Rock might contain, but they lied because
their job is to do the science, collect the data and leave
it to the elected officials to decide when & if that data
will be released. NASA, after all, exists to carry out
government policy. It does not make government policy.
Elected Officials = Make policy
NASA = Carries out policy
So they lie to us. They hide the fact that they're capable
of detecting bacterial life so in the event they do detect
it they can better keep it a a secret unless & until the
elected officials decide to announce it.
Four explanations, not all of equal likelihood.
(Repost from 2022)
No.
On 6/26/2025 3:31 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 11:37:03 -0500, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by Dawn Flood
<[email protected]>:
On 6/26/2025 1:58 AM, JTEM wrote:Would it be possible for you to be a bit less ambiguous?
Okay I did the Google thing and apparently the
bacterial life we're so familiar with, here on Earth,
typically ranges from 1 to 10 microns in size. And,
the famous "Fossil-looking" structures found within
the Mars Rock maxed out at maybe 2 microns in size.
That was them at their biggest.
But, NASA's $2.5 billion dollar Curiosity rover, whose
entire mission can be summed up as "Searching for Life"
can't image anything smaller than 12.5 microns!
Get it? The machine sent to Mars to search for life
can't even see bacterial life as we know it here on the
Earth!
Most of it, anyway.
When what we know is bacterial life usually maxes out
at 10 microns, and what we think /May/ be Mars life
fossilized in a rock maxes out at 2 microns, they
built Curiosity so it can't see down further than 12.5
microns.
IT'S OFF BY 2.5 MICRONS FOR MOST OF EARTH LIFE,
PERHAPS MORE THAN 10.5 MICRONS FOR MARS LIFE, going
by the famous "Mars Rock" meteorite...
So them's the facts, according to the Google, searching
online sources.
The facts suggests a few possibilities here, not all of
them equal in probability...
#1.
They don't want to find life on Mars.
There are many who don't. Some even believe it would
be horribly disruptive to human society -- proof of
life on other worlds. Then again, some believed that
Gilligan's Island & I Love Lucy were real, so there's
no accounting for beliefs. But it is a fact that there
is a school of thought that life on other worlds,
knowledge thereof, could be very disruptive to human
society.
#2.
They've already found it.
For all we know there's libraries of data, terabytes of
images and countless scientific papers all confirming
life on Mars, and the instrumentation is looking for
something else.
That famous Mars Rock I keep talking about, for
example? Maybe it was conclusively shown to contain
fossilized life, as there is testing that is claimed to
be definitive in such matters. Or at least it was
definitive until it was actually performed on the Mars
Rock and confirmed "Life." This really happened. The
definitive test that was fool-proof in identifying
fossilized life from natural rock suddenly stopped
being definitive the moment it returned a positive on
the Mars Rock. But maybe it didn't... didn't stop being
definitive. Maybe it convinced NASA and the experts so
they aren't looking for such proof anymore.
Maybe they're looking for something else.
Maybe NASA isn't looking for life on Mars now, maybe
they're looking for larger and/or more complex life forms.
Maybe they're looking for multicellular, complex life
forms. Or...
Or, combined with #1 (above), they know exactly what the
life on Mars looks like and they're trying to avoid it!
The above rephrased...
Think of this: Experiments/instrumentation are engineered
to tell NASA things it doesn't know. So if there's
something obvious that they're missing -- like lenses that
can see life as we know it to exist in the case of Bacteria
-- then maybe it's because such images could not tell NASA
anything that they don't already know, or want to know.
#3.
Earth contamination
Maybe the possibility of earth contamination is so strong,
from all the probes and whatnot, that 12.5 microns is the
absolute smallest they can confidently go without the fear
of "Detecting" earth contamination. (See #2, above)
Finding macroscopic life would rule out human
contamination, as there's been about 60 years where we
have potentially been contaminating Mars. That just doesn't
seem long enough for microscopic contamination to evolve
into anything larger and more complex. And if we fond some
pretty big fossilized life forms, and it's old enough, it
could potentially rule out any flavor of Panspermia seeding
Mars with life from the Earth or elsewhere. Thus...
If you think there's life but want to rule out human
contamination, or even some flavor of Panspermia where
life jumps from the Earth to Mars, the older, the larger and
more complex the life is, the better.
#4.
They're lying
Okay so maybe they're not stupid, maybe they're not
paranoid and maybe, just maybe they don't have proof
positive of life on Mars but they are certain that they'd
want to control all the information if they do find it.
So, they lie to us. They did include instruments that can
image bacterial life as we know it, perhaps even bacterial
life as the Mars Rock might contain, but they lied because
their job is to do the science, collect the data and leave
it to the elected officials to decide when & if that data
will be released. NASA, after all, exists to carry out
government policy. It does not make government policy.
Elected Officials = Make policy
NASA = Carries out policy
So they lie to us. They hide the fact that they're capable
of detecting bacterial life so in the event they do detect
it they can better keep it a a secret unless & until the
elected officials decide to announce it.
Four explanations, not all of equal likelihood.
(Repost from 2022)
No.
LOL! JTEM is (cross) posting crap (again); if he'll kindly exclude >alt.atheism, I promise not to reply!!
On 6/26/2025 11:17 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
They're lying
Big Red Flag whenever anyone accuses a collective group of strangers "of >lying".
No.
LOL! JTEM is (cross) posting crap (again); if he'll kindly exclude >alt.atheism, I promise not to reply!!
On 6/26/25 11:01 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
LOL!� JTEM is (cross) posting crap (again)
Lol! I see you're scraping rock bottom, trying to reach
the depths of your insights... again.
Your name isn't "Dawn" and if you're not interested in
space exploration, exobiology, don't read it. Or is your
narcissism too advanced?
On 6/27/2025 2:11 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 6/27/25 12:21 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Big Red Flag whenever anyone accuses a collective group of
strangers "of lying".
Bigger red flag when a rotating sock puppet attacks
a straw man in defense of their acting out like an
autistic child.
It is pure insanity to suggest that NASA (or, for that matter,
any other government organization) is "conspiring" on anything
whatsoever! Just look at the various national security agencies;
even deeply classified information has a tendency to leak,
eventually.
Ergo, there is NO "alien coverup," because, there are NO aliens!
Or, for that matter, concrete evidence of life anywhere beyond
our World.
Dawn
jojo wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:it did
On 6/27/2025 2:11 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 6/27/25 12:21 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Big Red Flag whenever anyone accuses a collective group of
strangers "of lying".
Bigger red flag when a rotating sock puppet attacks
a straw man in defense of their acting out like an
autistic child.
It is pure insanity to suggest that NASA (or, for that matter,
any other government organization) is "conspiring" on anything
whatsoever! Just look at the various national security
agencies; even deeply classified information has a tendency to
leak, eventually.
Ergo, there is NO "alien coverup," because, there are NO
aliens! Or, for that matter, concrete evidence of life
anywhere beyond our World.
Dawn
yeah if we had a crashed alien craft, info would come out.
https://www.ranker.com/list/photos-that-might-show-aliens/jacob-shelton
jojo wrote:
% wrote:sure , if you deny it than it's not real
jojo wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:it did
On 6/27/2025 2:11 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 6/27/25 12:21 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Big Red Flag whenever anyone accuses a collective group of
strangers "of lying".
Bigger red flag when a rotating sock puppet attacks
a straw man in defense of their acting out like an
autistic child.
It is pure insanity to suggest that NASA (or, for that
matter, any other government organization) is "conspiring"
on anything whatsoever! Just look at the various national
security agencies; even deeply classified information has a
tendency to leak, eventually.
Ergo, there is NO "alien coverup," because, there are NO
aliens! Or, for that matter, concrete evidence of life
anywhere beyond our World.
Dawn
yeah if we had a crashed alien craft, info would come out.
https://www.ranker.com/list/photos-that-might-show-aliens/jacob-shelton
if any of those are real, i am hoping the alien platoon takes
action.
jojo wrote:
% wrote:they can't by jeans so they're on strike
jojo wrote:
% wrote:sure , if you deny it than it's not real
jojo wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:it did
On 6/27/2025 2:11 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 6/27/25 12:21 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Big Red Flag whenever anyone accuses a collective group
of strangers "of lying".
Bigger red flag when a rotating sock puppet attacks
a straw man in defense of their acting out like an
autistic child.
It is pure insanity to suggest that NASA (or, for that
matter, any other government organization) is "conspiring"
on anything whatsoever! Just look at the various national
security agencies; even deeply classified information has
a tendency to leak, eventually.
Ergo, there is NO "alien coverup," because, there are NO
aliens! Or, for that matter, concrete evidence of life
anywhere beyond our World.
Dawn
yeah if we had a crashed alien craft, info would come out.
https://www.ranker.com/list/photos-that-might-show-aliens/jacob-shelton >>>>>
if any of those are real, i am hoping the alien platoon takes
action.
they need to rescue their man.
why do aliens not wear clothes?
jojo wrote:
% wrote:he doesn't wear any either
jojo wrote:
% wrote:they can't by jeans so they're on strike
jojo wrote:
% wrote:sure , if you deny it than it's not real
jojo wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:it did
On 6/27/2025 2:11 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 6/27/25 12:21 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Big Red Flag whenever anyone accuses a collective
group of strangers "of lying".
Bigger red flag when a rotating sock puppet attacks
a straw man in defense of their acting out like an
autistic child.
It is pure insanity to suggest that NASA (or, for that
matter, any other government organization) is
"conspiring" on anything whatsoever! Just look at the
various national security agencies; even deeply
classified information has a tendency to leak, eventually.
Ergo, there is NO "alien coverup," because, there are NO
aliens! Or, for that matter, concrete evidence of life
anywhere beyond our World.
Dawn
yeah if we had a crashed alien craft, info would come out.
https://www.ranker.com/list/photos-that-might-show-aliens/jacob-shelton >>>>>>>
if any of those are real, i am hoping the alien platoon
takes action.
they need to rescue their man.
why do aliens not wear clothes?
if god gave aliens shame, then they would wear clothes... at
least the crotch area.
On 6/27/2025 2:11 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 6/27/25 12:21 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Big Red Flag whenever anyone accuses a collective group of strangers
"of lying".
Bigger red flag when a rotating sock puppet attacks
a straw man in defense of their acting out like an
autistic child.
It is pure insanity to suggest that NASA (or, for that matter, any other >government organization) is "conspiring" on anything whatsoever! Just
look at the various national security agencies; even deeply classified >information has a tendency to leak, eventually.
Ergo, there is NO "alien coverup," because, there are NO aliens! Or,
for that matter, concrete evidence of life anywhere beyond our World.
Dawn
Attila wrote:
You are trolling again.
"It's trolling to bitch slap trolls!"
Loved your insights... you really thought that? About life
on Mars? Wow! You have so much to share...
That was sarcasm, buttercup.
S-A-R-C-A-S-M.
On 6/29/25 11:31 AM, jojo wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:
It is pure insanity to suggest that NASA (or, for that matter,
any other government organization) is "conspiring" on anything
whatsoever! Just look at the various national security
agencies; even deeply classified information has a tendency to
leak, eventually.
Ergo, there is NO "alien coverup," because, there are NO
aliens! Or, for that matter, concrete evidence of life
anywhere beyond our World.
Dawn
yeah if we had a crashed alien craft, info would come out.
The very point of science is to eliminate the human element,
remove the assumptions and leave only facts. Merely deciding
what would or would not happen -- what motivates or does not
motivate NASA -- is the dark ages approach to the world.
NASA spent billions on a search for life telling us that their
equipment can't even image most life as we know it to exist.
Why?
Come up with every plausible answer, not just the one that
satisfies you the most.
On 6/27/2025 6:00 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 11:21:15 -0500, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by Dawn Flood
<[email protected]>:
On 6/26/2025 11:17 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:I tend to agree.
They're lying
Big Red Flag whenever anyone accuses a collective group of strangers "of >>> lying".
So is misattributing a quote to someone who never said it.
(Hint: That would be me.)
But just to clarify, I made two posts in this subject, both
in response to you. The first exchange (each is you followed
by my reply):
-------------------------------------------------------------------
No.
[That was your sole reply to a multi-page screed by JTEM]
Would it be possible for you to be a bit less ambiguous?
-------------------------------------------------------------------
And the second, in response to the above:
-------------------------------------------------------------------
LOL! JTEM is (cross) posting crap (again); if he'll kindly exclude
alt.atheism, I promise not to reply!!
Fair enough; he/she/it has been a long-time thorn in
talk.origins, too; I have him/her/it in my Special
Childrens' File. I was just curious what the "No" referred
to; this was one of the more rational posts I'd seen from
that particular entity.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Since your purported quote of mine doesn't seem to appear in
either of those, a retraction would seem to be in order.
I was trying to tidy up the thread; nothing intentional.
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 6/27/2025 2:11 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 6/27/25 12:21 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Big Red Flag whenever anyone accuses a collective group of strangers
"of lying".
Bigger red flag when a rotating sock puppet attacks
a straw man in defense of their acting out like an
autistic child.
It is pure insanity to suggest that NASA (or, for that matter, any other
government organization) is "conspiring" on anything whatsoever! Just
look at the various national security agencies; even deeply classified
information has a tendency to leak, eventually.
Ergo, there is NO "alien coverup," because, there are NO aliens!
Or, for that matter, concrete evidence of life anywhere beyond our World.
Dawn
yeah if we had a crashed alien craft, info would come out.
On 6/29/2025 2:25 PM, Attila wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 09:06:47 -0500, Dawn Flood
<[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
<103rh9j$1i4so$[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 2:11 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 6/27/25 12:21 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Big Red Flag whenever anyone accuses a collective group of strangers >>>>> "of lying".
Bigger red flag when a rotating sock puppet attacks
a straw man in defense of their acting out like an
autistic child.
It is pure insanity to suggest that NASA (or, for that matter, any other >>> government organization) is "conspiring" on anything whatsoever! Just
look at the various national security agencies; even deeply classified
information has a tendency to leak, eventually.
Ergo, there is NO "alien coverup," because, there are NO aliens! Or,
for that matter, concrete evidence of life anywhere beyond our World.
Dawn
There is no definitive evidence either way.
Burden of proof? What is the "definitive evidence" against the existence
of fairies?
On 6/29/25 4:50 PM, jojo wrote:
what are your thoughts on the government having ufos?
Well. I'd say that, based on my statements that I do not
believe the UFO narrative, that I do not believe it.
There has been lots & lots of alien tech sent to (towards)
the earth. It's simply a matter of numbers.
Again, if only once in every million years an alien race
notices that the earth is a life bearing world and sends
a probe, there's been thousands sent to us since The
Great Oxidation Event.
There's been more than 60 since the KT Boundary where the
dinosaurs were wiped out.
There's been 2 to 3 since the genus Homo officially arose
with Homo habilis...
On 6/29/2025 2:25 PM, Attila wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 09:06:47 -0500, Dawn Flood
<[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
<103rh9j$1i4so$[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 2:11 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 6/27/25 12:21 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Big Red Flag whenever anyone accuses a collective group of strangers >>>>> "of lying".
Bigger red flag when a rotating sock puppet attacks
a straw man in defense of their acting out like an
autistic child.
It is pure insanity to suggest that NASA (or, for that matter, any other >>> government organization) is "conspiring" on anything whatsoever! Just
look at the various national security agencies; even deeply classified
information has a tendency to leak, eventually.
Ergo, there is NO "alien coverup," because, there are NO aliens! Or,
for that matter, concrete evidence of life anywhere beyond our World.
Dawn
There is no definitive evidence either way.
Burden of proof? What is the "definitive evidence" against the
existence of fairies?
On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 22:13:10 -0400, JTEM <[email protected]>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<103srrm$1qivm$[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/29/25 4:50 PM, jojo wrote:
what are your thoughts on the government having ufos?
Well. I'd say that, based on my statements that I do not
believe the UFO narrative, that I do not believe it.
There has been lots & lots of alien tech sent to (towards)
the earth. It's simply a matter of numbers.
Again, if only once in every million years an alien race
notices that the earth is a life bearing world and sends
a probe, there's been thousands sent to us since The
Great Oxidation Event.
There's been more than 60 since the KT Boundary where the
dinosaurs were wiped out.
There's been 2 to 3 since the genus Homo officially arose
with Homo habilis...
Why would anyone bother with an ordinary out of the way star
like our sun?
jojo wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 22:13:10 -0400, JTEM <[email protected]>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<103srrm$1qivm$[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/29/25 4:50 PM, jojo wrote:
what are your thoughts on the government having ufos?
Well. I'd say that, based on my statements that I do not
believe the UFO narrative, that I do not believe it.
There has been lots & lots of alien tech sent to (towards)
the earth. It's simply a matter of numbers.
Again, if only once in every million years an alien race
notices that the earth is a life bearing world and sends
a probe, there's been thousands sent to us since The
Great Oxidation Event.
There's been more than 60 since the KT Boundary where the
dinosaurs were wiped out.
There's been 2 to 3 since the genus Homo officially arose
with Homo habilis...
Why would anyone bother with an ordinary out of the way star
like our sun?
our sun is in a very sweet spot, not too close to the center
where life can be fried by other exploding stars and not too
much at the edge exposed to cosmic radiation.
similar to the goldilocks zone for planetary habitation,
there's likely one for the galaxy as well.
and this has what to do with atheism
jojo wrote:
% wrote:that has nothing to do with what you said or atheism
jojo wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 22:13:10 -0400, JTEM <[email protected]>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<103srrm$1qivm$[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/29/25 4:50 PM, jojo wrote:
what are your thoughts on the government having ufos?
Well. I'd say that, based on my statements that I do not
believe the UFO narrative, that I do not believe it.
There has been lots & lots of alien tech sent to (towards)
the earth. It's simply a matter of numbers.
Again, if only once in every million years an alien race
notices that the earth is a life bearing world and sends
a probe, there's been thousands sent to us since The
Great Oxidation Event.
There's been more than 60 since the KT Boundary where the
dinosaurs were wiped out.
There's been 2 to 3 since the genus Homo officially arose
with Homo habilis...
Why would anyone bother with an ordinary out of the way star
like our sun?
our sun is in a very sweet spot, not too close to the center
where life can be fried by other exploding stars and not too
much at the edge exposed to cosmic radiation.
similar to the goldilocks zone for planetary habitation,
there's likely one for the galaxy as well.
and this has what to do with atheism
that god didnt create earth and life arose as a function of
probability.
jojo wrote:
% wrote:when they saw how stupid we are they left
jojo wrote:
% wrote:that has nothing to do with what you said or atheism
jojo wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 22:13:10 -0400, JTEM <[email protected]>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<103srrm$1qivm$[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/29/25 4:50 PM, jojo wrote:
what are your thoughts on the government having ufos?
Well. I'd say that, based on my statements that I do not
believe the UFO narrative, that I do not believe it.
There has been lots & lots of alien tech sent to (towards)
the earth. It's simply a matter of numbers.
Again, if only once in every million years an alien race
notices that the earth is a life bearing world and sends
a probe, there's been thousands sent to us since The
Great Oxidation Event.
There's been more than 60 since the KT Boundary where the
dinosaurs were wiped out.
There's been 2 to 3 since the genus Homo officially arose
with Homo habilis...
Why would anyone bother with an ordinary out of the way star
like our sun?
our sun is in a very sweet spot, not too close to the
center where life can be fried by other exploding stars and
not too much at the edge exposed to cosmic radiation.
similar to the goldilocks zone for planetary habitation,
there's likely one for the galaxy as well.
and this has what to do with atheism
that god didnt create earth and life arose as a function of
probability.
i dont know, i feel there are intelligent aliens, humans are
not special. but i dont know if we have been visited, its seems
pointless to visit and not make contact.
jojo wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 22:13:10 -0400, JTEM <[email protected]>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<103srrm$1qivm$[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/29/25 4:50 PM, jojo wrote:
what are your thoughts on the government having ufos?
Well. I'd say that, based on my statements that I do not
believe the UFO narrative, that I do not believe it.
There has been lots & lots of alien tech sent to (towards)
the earth. It's simply a matter of numbers.
Again, if only once in every million years an alien race
notices that the earth is a life bearing world and sends
a probe, there's been thousands sent to us since The
Great Oxidation Event.
There's been more than 60 since the KT Boundary where the
dinosaurs were wiped out.
There's been 2 to 3 since the genus Homo officially arose
with Homo habilis...
Why would anyone bother with an ordinary out of the way star
like our sun?
our sun is in a very sweet spot, not too close to the center where life
can be fried by other exploding stars and not too much at the edge
exposed to cosmic radiation.
similar to the goldilocks zone for planetary habitation, there's likely
one for the galaxy as well.
and this has what to do with atheism
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 22:13:10 -0400, JTEM <[email protected]>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<103srrm$1qivm$[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/29/25 4:50 PM, jojo wrote:
what are your thoughts on the government having ufos?
Well. I'd say that, based on my statements that I do not
believe the UFO narrative, that I do not believe it.
There has been lots & lots of alien tech sent to (towards)
the earth. It's simply a matter of numbers.
Again, if only once in every million years an alien race
notices that the earth is a life bearing world and sends
a probe, there's been thousands sent to us since The
Great Oxidation Event.
There's been more than 60 since the KT Boundary where the
dinosaurs were wiped out.
There's been 2 to 3 since the genus Homo officially arose
with Homo habilis...
Why would anyone bother with an ordinary out of the way star
like our sun?
our sun is in a very sweet spot, not too close to the center
where life can be fried by other exploding stars and not too much
at the edge exposed to cosmic radiation.
similar to the goldilocks zone for planetary habitation, there's
likely one for the galaxy as well.
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 6/29/2025 9:08 PM, JTEM wrote:wikipedia can be changed by its readers ,
On 6/29/25 3:39 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Burden of proof?
Odd how that vanishes when we speak of, oh, I dunno, maybe
"Abiogeneis"...
Every last abiogenesis hypothesis ever tested has been
falsified, yet fake atheists maintain the faith and
pretend they're not...
Every abiogenesis hypothesis?? And, so, let me guess, "God did
it" is the only remaining explanation.
What is the "definitive evidence" against the existence of
fairies?
What is the "Definitive Evidence" to support the existence
of atheists?
You need to be reminded, GAWD knows it won't help but, the
online "atheists" insists that self reports aren't any kind
of evidence at all.
So either accept "Self Reports" i.e. the testimony of
theists or, admit that there's no evidence what so ever for
the existence of atheists.
Do you still believe in them? The atheists?
Here it is (how many times have I posted this link???):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism
The Wikipedia article is astonishing (virtually all of them
are, and EMPHASIS mine):
Agnostic atheism — or atheistic agnosticism — is a
PHILOSOPHICAL POSITION that encompasses both atheism and
agnosticism...
Bravo, Wikipedia!!
Dawn
you may be reading what someone just like me added
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 16:33:25 +0000, jojo <[email protected]> in
alt.atheism with message-id <[email protected]>
wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 22:13:10 -0400, JTEM <[email protected]>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<103srrm$1qivm$[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/29/25 4:50 PM, jojo wrote:
what are your thoughts on the government having ufos?
Well. I'd say that, based on my statements that I do not
believe the UFO narrative, that I do not believe it.
There has been lots & lots of alien tech sent to (towards)
the earth. It's simply a matter of numbers.
Again, if only once in every million years an alien race
notices that the earth is a life bearing world and sends
a probe, there's been thousands sent to us since The
Great Oxidation Event.
There's been more than 60 since the KT Boundary where the
dinosaurs were wiped out.
There's been 2 to 3 since the genus Homo officially arose
with Homo habilis...
Why would anyone bother with an ordinary out of the way star
like our sun?
our sun is in a very sweet spot, not too close to the center
where life can be fried by other exploding stars and not too much
at the edge exposed to cosmic radiation.
That describes life as we know it. Perhaps there is other
life that requires much more radiation, light, whatever or
less that we do. Perhaps a silicon rather than a carbon
based life form. Or something entirely different.
We just don't know.
similar to the goldilocks zone for planetary habitation, there's
likely one for the galaxy as well.
There are known planets in the so-called "Goldilocks zone"
in other stellar systems.
jojo wrote:
% wrote:they have to have or anyone could say anything and it would just
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 6/29/2025 9:08 PM, JTEM wrote:wikipedia can be changed by its readers ,
On 6/29/25 3:39 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Burden of proof?
Odd how that vanishes when we speak of, oh, I dunno, maybe
"Abiogeneis"...
Every last abiogenesis hypothesis ever tested has been
falsified, yet fake atheists maintain the faith and
pretend they're not...
Every abiogenesis hypothesis?? And, so, let me guess, "God
did it" is the only remaining explanation.
What is the "definitive evidence" against the existence of
fairies?
What is the "Definitive Evidence" to support the existence
of atheists?
You need to be reminded, GAWD knows it won't help but, the
online "atheists" insists that self reports aren't any kind
of evidence at all.
So either accept "Self Reports" i.e. the testimony of
theists or, admit that there's no evidence what so ever for
the existence of atheists.
Do you still believe in them? The atheists?
Here it is (how many times have I posted this link???):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism
The Wikipedia article is astonishing (virtually all of them
are, and EMPHASIS mine):
Agnostic atheism — or atheistic agnosticism — is a
PHILOSOPHICAL POSITION that encompasses both atheism and
agnosticism...
Bravo, Wikipedia!!
Dawn
you may be reading what someone just like me added
have you edited any articles? i have read they have a very
non-open and fascist type editing system.
get stupid
jojo wrote:
% wrote:that's not the only thing wiki talks about
jojo wrote:
% wrote:they have to have or anyone could say anything and it would
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 6/29/2025 9:08 PM, JTEM wrote:wikipedia can be changed by its readers ,
On 6/29/25 3:39 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Burden of proof?
Odd how that vanishes when we speak of, oh, I dunno, maybe
"Abiogeneis"...
Every last abiogenesis hypothesis ever tested has been
falsified, yet fake atheists maintain the faith and
pretend they're not...
Every abiogenesis hypothesis?? And, so, let me guess, "God
did it" is the only remaining explanation.
What is the "definitive evidence" against the existence
of fairies?
What is the "Definitive Evidence" to support the existence
of atheists?
You need to be reminded, GAWD knows it won't help but, the
online "atheists" insists that self reports aren't any kind
of evidence at all.
So either accept "Self Reports" i.e. the testimony of
theists or, admit that there's no evidence what so ever for
the existence of atheists.
Do you still believe in them? The atheists?
Here it is (how many times have I posted this link???):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism
The Wikipedia article is astonishing (virtually all of them
are, and EMPHASIS mine):
Agnostic atheism — or atheistic agnosticism — is a
PHILOSOPHICAL POSITION that encompasses both atheism and
agnosticism...
Bravo, Wikipedia!!
Dawn
you may be reading what someone just like me added
have you edited any articles? i have read they have a very
non-open and fascist type editing system.
just get stupid
yeah but then how can a normal guy like me put in his voice?
not that i want to, sounds boring af dealing with people politics.
Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ...
... Upgrade your
sources.
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:24:07 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
(snip)
Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ...
Now, that's what I call a 'positive claim', and we all know what that >entails.
... Upgrade your
sources.
Name one.
And no, don't wiggle your way out the usual way, suggesting
I'm too lazy to find one myself.
Also, this is not about what my
sources have to say, it's all about /your/ sources.
So, do you have an 'upgraded source' that provides evidence for the
retrieval of a crashed craft created by an alien race?
My sole point is to expose you as a liar, and every time you fail to
provide a source for your claims my point is proven.
On 7/4/25 7:58 PM, Andrew W wrote:
No, you're just a mainstream believing troll and smartass who follows
professional liars and thinks he has 'facts'. Your kind are well known.
You obviously still don't know that mainstream scientists are paid grant
money to shut up about certain things that would threaten the profits of
big corporations and corrupt governments.
Ironically, I'm the exact opposite of a "Mainstream Believing Troll"
and yet I don't believe in crashed UFOs.
The military is well practiced in controlling information, hiding it. >Because, even information that might seem completely innocuous might,
to an enemy, prove deadly.
During WWII, "Signals Intelligence" even listened to and kept track of >signals traffic it couldn't read -- codes it hadn't cracked. They
were looking for any changes in the patterns that might coincide with,
and seemingly confirm, other intelligence sources...
My point? Roswell is bogus. it fails the Duck Test. The Roswell
narrative can't be true as the military simply does not operate the
way the narrative orders you to believe.
The military simply does not exist to inform the public. It can't.
Not without informing the rest of the world, including potential
enemies...
A CRITICAL view of the mainstream media reporting tells you that the
Roswell crash is nonsense.
On 7/4/25 9:16 PM, Andrew W wrote:
It wasn't the military that informed us about Roswell, it was the press.
Lol! It was the military.
Don't confuse the means of dissemination with the point of
origins.
And the military promptly stopped it and cover it up.
The military released the "information" and then stopped
it. Yes.
It does not pass the Duck Test.
It's a bogus narrative.
On 7/4/25 10:28 PM, Andrew W wrote:
The truth is that it was a manned craft.
The truth is that it was disinformation.
They were either pretending that they didn't know something
the Russians were doing, or they were inventing some
"Plausible Deniability" for their spying on the Russians.
On 7/4/25 11:12 PM, Andrew W wrote:
The balloon story was the disinfo.
The story was disinformation.
It's not the military's business to inform the public. It's
not in the military's interests to release information.
Unless...
Unless that information serves the agenda of the military.
ET crashes had nothing to do with the Russians.
Well there weren't any ET crashes so in that sense you are
correct...
Spy tech, regardless of nation of origins, is always a major
priority. And it's something you need to keep secret. If it's
their's you don't want them to know that you have it, if it's
yours you don't want them to know what you're flying, even if
it's just a test...
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still alive >and taken to facilities for study.
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >news:[email protected]...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:24:07 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
(snip)
Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ...
Now, that's what I call a 'positive claim', and we all know what that >>entails.
Only mainstream media followers and 'authority' followers have never heard
of that. Normies.
... Upgrade your
sources.
Name one.
Of course you don't know any except the mainstream info suppressing ones.
And no, don't wiggle your way out the usual way, suggesting
I'm too lazy to find one myself.
You are lazy, two minute Google result believer.
Also, this is not about what my
sources have to say, it's all about /your/ sources.
But your sources are lying/suppressing crap. That's the real issue.
So, do you have an 'upgraded source' that provides evidence for the >>retrieval of a crashed craft created by an alien race?
I have plenty ...
... but you will never search for yourself and switch. ...
... You're not
interested.
My sole point is to expose you as a liar, and every time you fail to >>provide a source for your claims my point is proven.
No, ...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 09:58:50 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>news:[email protected]...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:24:07 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
(snip)
Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ...
Now, that's what I call a 'positive claim', and we all know what that >>>entails.
Only mainstream media followers and 'authority' followers have never heard >>of that. Normies.
Of course I've heard the claims made before. Do you think you're the
only kook on the internet?
... Upgrade your
sources.
Name one.
Of course you don't know any except the mainstream info suppressing ones.
I can't possibly know what /your/ sources are. Von D�niken? Alex
Jones? Random Dude on Rumor Mill? Why don't you want to tell me?
And no, don't wiggle your way out the usual way, suggesting
I'm too lazy to find one myself.
You are lazy, two minute Google result believer.
Wiggle wiggle wiggle.
Also, this is not about what my
sources have to say, it's all about /your/ sources.
But your sources are lying/suppressing crap. That's the real issue.
You're the one making the claim, therefore you provide the evidence.
This can't be a new concept to you.
So, do you have an 'upgraded source' that provides evidence for the >>>retrieval of a crashed craft created by an alien race?
I have plenty ...
So you say, but are unable to provide any. I call your bluff... again.
... but you will never search for yourself and switch. ...
I can find hundreds, if not thousands, of people saying the same shit
you do, all claiming to have the evidence. Grainy images of out of
focus gray blobs, un-named specialists and insiders spilling the
beans, ancient wisdom, inter stellar revelations, anecdotal evidence
of abductions, and of course, 'They are hiding the truth from us'.
Understand that I'm interested in learning what /you/ have found and
where you found it.
... You're not
interested.
Of course I'm interested. I ask you for an answer every time. What
evidence have /you/ seen?
My sole point is to expose you as a liar, and every time you fail to >>>provide a source for your claims my point is proven.
No, ...
Yes. Did you, or didn't you, provide a source? You didn't. Instead you
evaded my questions exactly the way I predicted you would.
(snip the wiggle wiggle wiggle.)
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still alive >>and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with
a straight face.
"Malte Runz" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were
still alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these
things with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 09:58:50 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>news:[email protected]...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:24:07 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
(snip)
Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ...
Now, that's what I call a 'positive claim', and we all know what that >>>entails.
Only mainstream media followers and 'authority' followers have never heard >>of that. Normies.
Of course I've heard the claims made before. Do you think you're the
only kook on the internet?
... Upgrade your
sources.
Name one.
Of course you don't know any except the mainstream info suppressing ones.
I can't possibly know what /your/ sources are.
Von Däniken? Alex
Jones? Random Dude on Rumor Mill?
Why don't you want to tell me?
And no, don't wiggle your way out the usual way, suggesting
I'm too lazy to find one myself.
You are lazy, two minute Google result believer.
Wiggle wiggle wiggle.
Also, this is not about what my
sources have to say, it's all about /your/ sources.
But your sources are lying/suppressing crap. That's the real issue.
You're the one making the claim, therefore you provide the evidence.
This can't be a new concept to you.
So, do you have an 'upgraded source' that provides evidence for the >>>retrieval of a crashed craft created by an alien race?
I have plenty ...
So you say, but are unable to provide any. I call your bluff... again.
... but you will never search for yourself and switch. ...
I can find hundreds, if not thousands, of people saying the same shit
you do,
all claiming to have the evidence. Grainy images of out of
focus gray blobs, un-named specialists and insiders spilling the
beans, ancient wisdom, inter stellar revelations, anecdotal evidence
of abductions, and of course, 'They are hiding the truth from us'.
Understand that I'm interested in learning what /you/ have found and
where you found it.
... You're not
interested.
Of course I'm interested. I ask you for an answer every time. What
evidence have /you/ seen?
My sole point is to expose you as a liar, and every time you fail to >>>provide a source for your claims my point is proven.
No, ...
Yes. Did you, or didn't you, provide a source?
You didn't. Instead you
evaded my questions exactly the way I predicted you would.
jojo wrote:
Andrew W wrote:aliens will never come here
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W"
<[email protected]>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two
were still alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you
think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these
things with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the
subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions came
here and were kidnapped by us, we would be gazaed by now.
Andrew W wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still
alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions came here and
were kidnapped by us,
we would be gazaed by now.
jojo wrote:
% wrote:they have nothing to say to stinky smelly murderous humans
jojo wrote:
Andrew W wrote:aliens will never come here
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W"
<[email protected]>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two
were still alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when
you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these
things with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the
subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions
came here and were kidnapped by us, we would be gazaed by now.
they will definitely come, its a perfect world, planet has all
the best parameters, from size to distance to composition to
biology.
jojo wrote:
Andrew W wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still >>>>> alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions came here and
were kidnapped by us, we would be gazaed by now.
aliens will never come here
jojo wrote:
% wrote:they have nothing to say to stinky smelly murderous humans
jojo wrote:
Andrew W wrote:aliens will never come here
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still >>>>>>> alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think >>>>>> about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with >>>>>> a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions came here and >>>> were kidnapped by us, we would be gazaed by now.
they will definitely come, its a perfect world, planet has all the best
parameters, from size to distance to composition to biology.
If you call me a kook then you also have to call air force pilots,
senior military officials and investigators etc. kooks too.
So you still don't know why the military and governments hide things
from the population? Are you dumb?
"jojo" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
Andrew W wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W"
<[email protected]>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two
were still alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you
think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these
things with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the
subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions came
here and were kidnapped by us,
People kidnap aliens?
we would be gazaed by now.
Gazed like a zombie?
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 09:58:50 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>>news:[email protected]...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:24:07 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:
(snip)
Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ...
Now, that's what I call a 'positive claim', and we all know what that >>>>entails.
Only mainstream media followers and 'authority' followers have never heard >>>of that. Normies.
Of course I've heard the claims made before. Do you think you're the
only kook on the internet?
If you call me a kook then you also have to call air force pilots, senior >military officials and investigators etc. kooks too. ...
It's far more likely that you're just an ignorant arrogant smartass troll >reacting from your emotions.
... Upgrade your
sources.
Name one.
Of course you don't know any except the mainstream info suppressing ones.
I can't possibly know what /your/ sources are.
You don't have any proper sources so you're always on the lookout for some. >That's obvious.
Von D�niken? Alex
Jones? Random Dude on Rumor Mill?
They're all far smarter than you. Why can't you find/see the real truth >instead of just troll?
Why don't you want to tell me?
Because you're just a dumb jerk who only follows and believes mainstream >slop.
And no, don't wiggle your way out the usual way, suggesting
I'm too lazy to find one myself.
You are lazy, two minute Google result believer.
Wiggle wiggle wiggle.
You can't face the truth.
Also, this is not about what my
sources have to say, it's all about /your/ sources.
But your sources are lying/suppressing crap. That's the real issue.
You're the one making the claim, therefore you provide the evidence.
This can't be a new concept to you.
No I'm just passing on 'claims' by investigators and official witnesses.
You obviously live in a very small world.
So, do you have an 'upgraded source' that provides evidence for the >>>>retrieval of a crashed craft created by an alien race?
I have plenty ...
So you say, but are unable to provide any. I call your bluff... again.
So you want me to waste more time on the likes of you? Why?
... but you will never search for yourself and switch. ...
I can find hundreds, if not thousands, of people saying the same shit
you do,
Military officials talk shit? Ok smarty.
all claiming to have the evidence. Grainy images of out of
focus gray blobs, un-named specialists and insiders spilling the
beans, ancient wisdom, inter stellar revelations, anecdotal evidence
of abductions, and of course, 'They are hiding the truth from us'.
So you still don't know why the military and governments hide things from
the population? Are you dumb?
They put strict laws in place. Find out why and then come back.
Understand that I'm interested in learning what /you/ have found and
where you found it.
Yes you're obsessed about that. I get it. ...
... Your emotions just can't handle
'claims'. Get therapy.
... You're not
interested.
Of course I'm interested. I ask you for an answer every time. What
evidence have /you/ seen?
I've seen a few craft, in one case a cluster of them go across the sky. That >was before satellite clusters.
My sole point is to expose you as a liar, and every time you fail to >>>>provide a source for your claims my point is proven.
No, ...
Yes. Did you, or didn't you, provide a source?
Why do I have to? You'll just jerk off like always.
You didn't. Instead you
evaded my questions exactly the way I predicted you would.
You're not a courtroom prosecutor so quit acting like one.
A.a is so full of crap head stooges. It's a mental asylum.
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still alive >>>and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
"Andrew W" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:104cc34$m4lp$[email protected]:
If you call me a kook then you also have to call air force pilots,
senior military officials and investigators etc. kooks too.
So evidence from government officials is trustworthy.
So you still don't know why the military and governments hide things
from the population? Are you dumb?
So evidence from government officials is NOT trustworthy.
Now do you see why so few people take
your posts seriously?
"%" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
jojo wrote:
Andrew W wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still >>>>>> alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with >>>>> a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions came here and
were kidnapped by us, we would be gazaed by now.
aliens will never come here
That's what governments tell us. Why do you believe them?
"jojo" wrote in message >news:[email protected]...
Andrew W wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still >>>>> alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions came here and >>were kidnapped by us,
People kidnap aliens?
"%" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
jojo wrote:
% wrote:they have nothing to say to stinky smelly murderous humans
jojo wrote:
Andrew W wrote:aliens will never come here
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still >>>>>>>> alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think >>>>>>> about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with >>>>>>> a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject? >>>>>> It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions came here and >>>>> were kidnapped by us, we would be gazaed by now.
they will definitely come, its a perfect world, planet has all the best
parameters, from size to distance to composition to biology.
How many ordinary people are murderous etc? Not many.
On Sun, 06 Jul 2025 01:53:15 +0000, Mitchell Holman <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Andrew W" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:104cc34$m4lp$[email protected]:
If you call me a kook then you also have to call air force pilots,
senior military officials and investigators etc. kooks too.
So evidence from government officials is trustworthy.
So you still don't know why the military and governments hide things
from the population? Are you dumb?
So evidence from government officials is NOT trustworthy.
Nice! I didn't spot that one!
Now do you see why so few people take
your posts seriously?
'Few'? You're being very generous here.
"Andrew W" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:104cc34$m4lp$[email protected]:
If you call me a kook then you also have to call air force pilots,
senior military officials and investigators etc. kooks too.
So evidence from government officials is trustworthy.
So you still don't know why the military and governments hide things
from the population? Are you dumb?
So evidence from government officials is NOT trustworthy.
Now do you see why so few people take
your posts seriously?
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 10:56:33 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"%" wrote in message news:[email protected]... >>>
jojo wrote:
% wrote:they have nothing to say to stinky smelly murderous humans
jojo wrote:
Andrew W wrote:aliens will never come here
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still >>>>>>>>> alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think >>>>>>>> about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with >>>>>>>> a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject? >>>>>>> It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
i want the alien thing to be real, but if fleshy versions came here and >>>>>> were kidnapped by us, we would be gazaed by now.
they will definitely come, its a perfect world, planet has all the best >>>> parameters, from size to distance to composition to biology.
How many ordinary people are murderous etc? Not many.
'How many tall people are dwarfs?'
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
"Andrew W" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:104cc34$m4lp$[email protected]:
If you call me a kook then you also have to call air force pilots,
senior military officials and investigators etc. kooks too.
So evidence from government officials is trustworthy.
Where did I say governments above?
So you still don't know why the military and governments hide things
from the population? Are you dumb?
So evidence from government officials is NOT trustworthy.
Governments only hide stuff. They don't give evidence.
On 7/5/25 9:53 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
So evidence from government officials is trustworthy.
That's not an argument.
It's fallacious. In fact, Google a list of "Fallacious Arguments,"
you'll find one that matches...
Truth is that there is no reason to believe government sources,
JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:104crs7$1sm7o$[email protected]:
On 7/5/25 9:53 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
So evidence from government officials is trustworthy.
That's not an argument.
It's fallacious. In fact, Google a list of "Fallacious Arguments,"
you'll find one that matches...
Truth is that there is no reason to believe government sources,
Every weather map you have looked is
from government sources.
Everytime you rely on GPS data you
are trusting government sources.
Every weather forecast on your
local news is from government
sources.
All the economic data you get
relies on government scources.
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 08:52:17 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still >>>>alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
Neither of us is doing actual "research" on the topic. We both sift
through the files looking at material other people have produced. We
do not discover anything that isn't already known, or, in your case,
not really known per se, but claimed nonetheless.
"Andrew W" <[email protected]> wrote in news:104dpu4$o77b$[email protected]:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
"Andrew W" <[email protected]> wrote in >>>news:104cc34$m4lp$[email protected]:
If you call me a kook then you also have to call air force pilots,
senior military officials and investigators etc. kooks too.
So evidence from government officials is trustworthy.
Where did I say governments above?
"air force pilots, senior military officials
and investigators" are not government sources?
So you still don't know why the military and governments hide things
from the population? Are you dumb?
So evidence from government officials is NOT trustworthy.
Governments only hide stuff. They don't give evidence.
So your reliance on "air force pilots, senior
military officials and investigators" doesn't
come from the government?
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 09:22:06 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 09:58:50 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>>>news:[email protected]...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:24:07 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]> >>>>>wrote:
(snip)
Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ...
Now, that's what I call a 'positive claim', and we all know what that >>>>>entails.
Only mainstream media followers and 'authority' followers have never >>>>heard
of that. Normies.
Of course I've heard the claims made before. Do you think you're the
only kook on the internet?
If you call me a kook then you also have to call air force pilots, senior >>military officials and investigators etc. kooks too. ...
And I do.
Did you see the hearings in the US Congress a while back?
The airforce (?) guy who claimed that some of his superiors had
ADMITTED!!!! that they were in the possession of alien crafts? He
looked so god damned miserable in his chair, when it dawned on him
that nobody believed him and that he most likely was the butt of a
joke everyone else was in on. A proper kook, but honestly, I felt
sorry for the guy.
It's far more likely that you're just an ignorant arrogant smartass troll >>reacting from your emotions.
Ignorant, no. But arrogant smartass, yes.
... Upgrade your
sources.
Name one.
Of course you don't know any except the mainstream info suppressing >>>>ones.
I can't possibly know what /your/ sources are.
You don't have any proper sources so you're always on the lookout for
some.
That's obvious.
Is this how you think it plays out in my mind?:
'Wow! They have captured live aliens!!! How can I learn about that?
Right, I better ask Andrew. He knows soooo much about these topics.
Hey Andrew, can you refer me to a few of your superior sources,
(because [snicker] I'm too lazy to look for it myself)?'
You know exactly why I ask you for the evidence that has convinced
you. (No, not the one single piece of evidence, and no, not all the
evidence you have seen over the decades.)
Von Däniken? Alex
Jones? Random Dude on Rumor Mill?
They're all far smarter than you. Why can't you find/see the real truth >>instead of just troll?
Listen, there is only one troll in this, and it is the guy who keeps
posting outrageous and unsubstantiated claims that he is not willing
to back up and debate in a meaningful way.
Why don't you want to tell me?
Because you're just a dumb jerk who only follows and believes mainstream >>slop.
I think we have to look for the answer to my question elsewhere.
I
think you know that none of your sources would stand up to scrutiny.
'A guy said X, and I choose to believe him!' and you're too
embarrassed to show us.
And no, don't wiggle your way out the usual way, suggesting
I'm too lazy to find one myself.
You are lazy, two minute Google result believer.
Wiggle wiggle wiggle.
You can't face the truth.
Try me.
Also, this is not about what my
sources have to say, it's all about /your/ sources.
But your sources are lying/suppressing crap. That's the real issue.
You're the one making the claim, therefore you provide the evidence.
This can't be a new concept to you.
No I'm just passing on 'claims' by investigators and official witnesses. >>You obviously live in a very small world.
Appeal to authorities noted.
So, do you have an 'upgraded source' that provides evidence for the >>>>>retrieval of a crashed craft created by an alien race?
I have plenty ...
So you say, but are unable to provide any. I call your bluff... again.
So you want me to waste more time on the likes of you? Why?
Ask yourself why you're responding to my posts in the first place.
... but you will never search for yourself and switch. ...
I can find hundreds, if not thousands, of people saying the same shit
you do,
Military officials talk shit? Ok smarty.
Another appeal to authorities.
Do you now believe everything "military
officials" say?
all claiming to have the evidence. Grainy images of out of
focus gray blobs, un-named specialists and insiders spilling the
beans, ancient wisdom, inter stellar revelations, anecdotal evidence
of abductions, and of course, 'They are hiding the truth from us'.
So you still don't know why the military and governments hide things from >>the population? Are you dumb?
If they are hiding all the good stuff how have you learned about it?
What material have you gained access to? Material that I also could
find on the internet... if I weren't so lazy.
They put strict laws in place. Find out why and then come back.
Name one law They have put in place.
'§1: Keep the alien spaceships hidden from the gullible masses.'
Understand that I'm interested in learning what /you/ have found and >>>where you found it.
Yes you're obsessed about that. I get it. ...
I really don't think you do.
... Your emotions just can't handle
'claims'. Get therapy.
If therapy would make me believe stories about alien abductions and
captured spaceships, I'd rather stay... 'emotional' regarding those
things.
... You're not
interested.
Of course I'm interested. I ask you for an answer every time. What >>>evidence have /you/ seen?
I've seen a few craft, in one case a cluster of them go across the sky. >>That
was before satellite clusters.
Thank you. I'm now totally convinced that aliens from space have
visited Earth. Just like I'm convinced that Elvis didn't die. And that >Bigfoot is on the loose... somewhere out there.
My sole point is to expose you as a liar, and every time you fail to >>>>>provide a source for your claims my point is proven.
No, ...
Yes. Did you, or didn't you, provide a source?
Why do I have to? You'll just jerk off like always.
If I had made a claim and was asked to provide evidence I'd be happy
to do so. You, on the other hand, react like it is a personal attack
when people ask for your sources.
You didn't. Instead you
evaded my questions exactly the way I predicted you would.
You're not a courtroom prosecutor so quit acting like one.
Not going to happen. As long as you do your thing, I'll do mine.
A.a is so full of crap head stooges. It's a mental asylum.
You've learned from the best.
'They're letting all the people out of their mental asylums and
sending them to A.A to DESTROY!!! the newsgroup. MAAGA!'
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:104crs7$1sm7o$[email protected]:
On 7/5/25 9:53 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
So evidence from government officials is trustworthy.
That's not an argument.
It's fallacious. In fact, Google a list of "Fallacious Arguments,"
you'll find one that matches...
Truth is that there is no reason to believe government sources,
Every weather map you have looked is
from government sources.
Everytime you rely on GPS data you
are trusting government sources.
Every weather forecast on your
local news is from government
sources.
Not necessarily or strictly. And those things are of low importance to
the corrupt.
All the economic data you get
relies on government scources.
That data is actually slanted, to cover up their frauding of the
system.
"Andrew W" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:104evj0$pvjn$[email protected]:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:104crs7$1sm7o$[email protected]:
On 7/5/25 9:53 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
So evidence from government officials is trustworthy.
That's not an argument.
It's fallacious. In fact, Google a list of "Fallacious Arguments,"
you'll find one that matches...
Truth is that there is no reason to believe government sources,
Every weather map you have looked is
from government sources.
Everytime you rely on GPS data you
are trusting government sources.
Every weather forecast on your
local news is from government
sources.
Not necessarily or strictly. And those things are of low importance to
the corrupt.
All the economic data you get
relies on government scources.
That data is actually slanted, to cover up their frauding of the
system.
Is this part of the Illuminati Conspiracy,
the Rothschilds Conspiracy, the Jewish Bankers
Conspiracy or the Skull And Bones Conspiracy?
You believe in so many I am surprised you
can keep them straight..........
On 7/6/25 6:39 AM, Malte Runz wrote:
'How many tall people are dwarfs?'
That's not a good comparison. After all "Tall" is relative.
What constitutes "Tall" changes from place to place and
time to time. Pick a period in history, any period,
chances are "Tall" is different from today.
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
"Andrew W" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:104evj0$pvjn$[email protected]:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:104crs7$1sm7o$[email protected]:
On 7/5/25 9:53 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
So evidence from government officials is trustworthy.
That's not an argument.
It's fallacious. In fact, Google a list of "Fallacious Arguments,"
you'll find one that matches...
Truth is that there is no reason to believe government sources,
Every weather map you have looked is
from government sources.
Everytime you rely on GPS data you
are trusting government sources.
Every weather forecast on your
local news is from government
sources.
Not necessarily or strictly. And those things are of low importance
to the corrupt.
All the economic data you get
relies on government scources.
That data is actually slanted, to cover up their frauding of the
system.
Is this part of the Illuminati Conspiracy,
the Rothschilds Conspiracy, the Jewish Bankers
Conspiracy or the Skull And Bones Conspiracy?
You believe in so many I am surprised you
can keep them straight..........
It takes time and brains to see and understand systemic corruption.
Where's yours?
Systemic corruption is a time proven fact.
"Andrew W" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:104f8rd$qdcu$[email protected]:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
"Andrew W" <[email protected]> wrote in >>>news:104evj0$pvjn$[email protected]:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:104crs7$1sm7o$[email protected]:
On 7/5/25 9:53 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
So evidence from government officials is trustworthy.
That's not an argument.
It's fallacious. In fact, Google a list of "Fallacious Arguments," >>>>>> you'll find one that matches...
Truth is that there is no reason to believe government sources,
Every weather map you have looked is
from government sources.
Everytime you rely on GPS data you
are trusting government sources.
Every weather forecast on your
local news is from government
sources.
Not necessarily or strictly. And those things are of low importance
to the corrupt.
All the economic data you get
relies on government scources.
That data is actually slanted, to cover up their frauding of the
system.
Is this part of the Illuminati Conspiracy,
the Rothschilds Conspiracy, the Jewish Bankers
Conspiracy or the Skull And Bones Conspiracy?
You believe in so many I am surprised you
can keep them straight..........
It takes time and brains to see and understand systemic corruption.
What in not corrupt, in your opinion?
Where's yours?
Systemic corruption is a time proven fact.
So why do you run away when asked
for proof of this "fact"?
"Andrew W" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:104hqkt$u26j$[email protected]:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
"Andrew W" <[email protected]> wrote in >>>news:104f8rd$qdcu$[email protected]:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Every weather forecast on your
local news is from government
sources.
Not necessarily or strictly. And those things are of low
importance to the corrupt.
All the economic data you get
relies on government scources.
That data is actually slanted, to cover up their frauding of the
system.
Is this part of the Illuminati Conspiracy,
the Rothschilds Conspiracy, the Jewish Bankers
Conspiracy or the Skull And Bones Conspiracy?
You believe in so many I am surprised you
can keep them straight..........
It takes time and brains to see and understand systemic corruption.
What in not corrupt, in your opinion?
Community people helping each other, some conscientious gov.
people/politicians, most small to medium businesses and organisations.
Where's yours?
Systemic corruption is a time proven fact.
So why do you run away when asked
for proof of this "fact"?
People usually avoid trolls.
You twits think this is a courtroom or something.
Funny that YOU demand proof but
refuse to post any.
The fact is you are
just ignorant and want authorities to hand you all truths. They won't.
Truths are not profitable nor lead to control over the info demanding
masses.
If you had profitable truths would you share it with everyone and lose
the profits?
Plenty of people do. Jonas Salk released
his vaccine to the public that he could have
make a fortune from.
Ditto for the guys who
invented synthetic insulin. Ditto for Volvo
and the three-point seat belt.
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
"Andrew W" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:104f8rd$qdcu$[email protected]:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
"Andrew W" <[email protected]> wrote in >>>>news:104evj0$pvjn$[email protected]:
"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in >>>>>>news:104crs7$1sm7o$[email protected]:
On 7/5/25 9:53 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
So evidence from government officials is trustworthy.
That's not an argument.
It's fallacious. In fact, Google a list of "Fallacious
Arguments," you'll find one that matches...
Truth is that there is no reason to believe government sources,
Every weather map you have looked is
from government sources.
Everytime you rely on GPS data you
are trusting government sources.
Every weather forecast on your
local news is from government
sources.
Not necessarily or strictly. And those things are of low
importance to the corrupt.
All the economic data you get
relies on government scources.
That data is actually slanted, to cover up their frauding of the
system.
Is this part of the Illuminati Conspiracy,
the Rothschilds Conspiracy, the Jewish Bankers
Conspiracy or the Skull And Bones Conspiracy?
You believe in so many I am surprised you
can keep them straight..........
It takes time and brains to see and understand systemic corruption.
What in not corrupt, in your opinion?
Community people helping each other, some conscientious gov. people/politicians, most small to medium businesses and organisations.
Where's yours?
Systemic corruption is a time proven fact.
So why do you run away when asked
for proof of this "fact"?
People usually avoid trolls.
You twits think this is a courtroom or something.
just ignorant and want authorities to hand you all truths. They won't.
Truths are not profitable nor lead to control over the info demanding
masses.
If you had profitable truths would you share it with everyone and lose
the profits?
On 7/7/25 9:01 PM, Andrew W wrote:
People usually avoid trolls.
No. They're going after the low hanging fruit. They view you
as a soft target, an easy win.
Same in all the groups, and always has been.
take talk.origins for example: They zero in on young earth
creationists or Intelligent Design advocates like a laser
beam. And why not? They've got DECADES of arguments to reference,
court cases against the I.D. advocates... this isn't just an
easy win, it's a long-ago-already-happened win and they can
pretend to be intelligent or arguably cognizant just by copying
and pasting some old FAQ. But...
But take them outside their comfort zone, challenge them to
think and they'll avoid you like $2 vasectomy.
No, sorry, they view you as "Easy."
"Harmless."
You twits think this is a courtroom or something.
If only!
I've never had a one that would be satisfied with the "Beyond
a Reasonable Doubt" standard of a court of law.
I mean, just watch the way they wave around their emotional
problems trying to avoid the fact that testimony *Is* evidence!
(I think the problem is that they have no clue what the word
"Evidence" actually means. They seem to mistaken it for an
alternative spelling of "Proof")
If you had profitable truths would you share it with everyone and lose
the profits?
Wisdom is like money: The more you share the less you have!
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >news:[email protected]...
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 08:52:17 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>>news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still >>>>>alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think >>>>about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
Neither of us is doing actual "research" on the topic. We both sift
through the files looking at material other people have produced. We
do not discover anything that isn't already known, or, in your case,
not really known per se, but claimed nonetheless.
You don't even know what constitutes research so you can't talk.
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >news:[email protected]...
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 09:22:06 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>>news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 09:58:50 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>>>>news:[email protected]...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:24:07 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]> >>>>>>wrote:
(snip)
Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ... >>>>>>Now, that's what I call a 'positive claim', and we all know what that >>>>>>entails.
Only mainstream media followers and 'authority' followers have never >>>>>heard
of that. Normies.
Of course I've heard the claims made before. Do you think you're the >>>>only kook on the internet?
If you call me a kook then you also have to call air force pilots, senior >>>military officials and investigators etc. kooks too. ...
And I do.
You have little or no knowledge or qualification to do so. It's you who has >no credibility.
Pilots and military officials are highly trained and have a career to look >after. They can't afford to talk crap.
Did you see the hearings in the US Congress a while back?
The airforce (?) guy who claimed that some of his superiors had >>ADMITTED!!!! that they were in the possession of alien crafts? He
looked so god damned miserable in his chair, when it dawned on him
that nobody believed him and that he most likely was the butt of a
joke everyone else was in on. A proper kook, but honestly, I felt
sorry for the guy.
That's just your woke emotion based reaction. You've been conditioned since
a young age to ridicule such things, and that's because of the CIA ridicule >program that's been running for decades, which you also don't know about.
Why do you never ask the obvious question: Why would governments go to so >much trouble to cover this up? I think you're not smart enough to think this >far.
It's far more likely that you're just an ignorant arrogant smartass troll >>>reacting from your emotions.
Ignorant, no. But arrogant smartass, yes.
Thanks for the part admission.
... Upgrade your
sources.
Name one.
Of course you don't know any except the mainstream info suppressing >>>>>ones.
I can't possibly know what /your/ sources are.
You don't have any proper sources so you're always on the lookout for >>>some.
That's obvious.
Is this how you think it plays out in my mind?:
'Wow! They have captured live aliens!!! How can I learn about that?
You don't want to learn about that, you just want to follow mainstream >authorities.
Right, I better ask Andrew. He knows soooo much about these topics.
You wouldn't know who knows things/truths. You're obviously unable to >determine that. You just picked the easy, convenient and satisfying side and >stuck with it.
Hey Andrew, can you refer me to a few of your superior sources,
(because [snicker] I'm too lazy to look for it myself)?'
You know exactly why I ask you for the evidence that has convinced
you. (No, not the one single piece of evidence, and no, not all the >>evidence you have seen over the decades.)
Yes I know why you ask for my evidence and do zero proper research of your >own (like normal people). ...
... You just want to ridicule whatever you've been
conditioned to ridicule, because you're a man child.
Did your father lead to you to be like this? Was he a ridiculer and >mainstream/gov authority and media follower?
Von D�niken? Alex
Jones? Random Dude on Rumor Mill?
They're all far smarter than you. Why can't you find/see the real truth >>>instead of just troll?
Listen, there is only one troll in this, and it is the guy who keeps >>posting outrageous and unsubstantiated claims that he is not willing
to back up and debate in a meaningful way.
You really don't get it. ...
... There are actually curious people in this world who
want to hear other than gov/media perspectives and narratives.
IOW my posts are not for your type. ...
... But I do like a challenge, and sometimes
people's minds are actually opened.
Why don't you want to tell me?
Because you're just a dumb jerk who only follows and believes mainstream >>>slop.
I think we have to look for the answer to my question elsewhere.
Your enquiries are false and insincere and you know it.
I
think you know that none of your sources would stand up to scrutiny.
You still think a.a is a courtroom or something.
'A guy said X, and I choose to believe him!' and you're too
embarrassed to show us.
You made up your mind a long time ago and you know it. ...
... You're just a clown
and mainstream sycophant.
And no, don't wiggle your way out the usual way, suggesting
I'm too lazy to find one myself.
You are lazy, two minute Google result believer.
Wiggle wiggle wiggle.
You can't face the truth.
Try me.
Just another troll attempt.
Also, this is not about what my
sources have to say, it's all about /your/ sources.
But your sources are lying/suppressing crap. That's the real issue.
You're the one making the claim, therefore you provide the evidence. >>>>This can't be a new concept to you.
No I'm just passing on 'claims' by investigators and official witnesses. >>>You obviously live in a very small world.
Appeal to authorities noted.
What level of authority are they?
So, do you have an 'upgraded source' that provides evidence for the >>>>>>retrieval of a crashed craft created by an alien race?
I have plenty ...
So you say, but are unable to provide any. I call your bluff... again.
So you want me to waste more time on the likes of you? Why?
Ask yourself why you're responding to my posts in the first place.
It's an interesting challenge, ...
... and an opportunity to put clowns/jerks in
their places, ...
... and inform them of the gov psyops and narrative programs that
have been in place for decades.
... but you will never search for yourself and switch. ...
I can find hundreds, if not thousands, of people saying the same shit >>>>you do,
Military officials talk shit? Ok smarty.
Another appeal to authorities.
Diversion
Do you now believe everything "military
officials" say?
Of course not.
Have you checked them out at all?
And do you just believe the gov and media narratives?
all claiming to have the evidence. Grainy images of out of
focus gray blobs, un-named specialists and insiders spilling the
beans, ancient wisdom, inter stellar revelations, anecdotal evidence
of abductions, and of course, 'They are hiding the truth from us'.
So you still don't know why the military and governments hide things from >>>the population? Are you dumb?
If they are hiding all the good stuff how have you learned about it?
By looking at sources other than the narratives. The cover ups are quite >obvious.
What material have you gained access to? Material that I also could
find on the internet... if I weren't so lazy.
More than I could post. Most I no longer have.
Do you want some? ...
... First you have to convince me that you're sincere and open
minded and not just a sheep, clown and troll.
They put strict laws in place. Find out why and then come back.
Name one law They have put in place.
'�1: Keep the alien spaceships hidden from the gullible masses.'
In 1969, NASA passed a federal regulation dealing with �Extra-terrestrial >Exposure�. The �Extraterrestrial Exposure Law� offers a legal precedent for >the detention and indefinite imprisonment of any individual who comes into >contact with extraterrestrials.
Understand that I'm interested in learning what /you/ have found and >>>>where you found it.
Yes you're obsessed about that. I get it. ...
I really don't think you do.
So you're a very seasoned troll? Professional perhaps?
... Your emotions just can't handle
'claims'. Get therapy.
If therapy would make me believe stories about alien abductions and >>captured spaceships, I'd rather stay... 'emotional' regarding those
things.
No not just believe. Why is it always just a case of believe or not believe >with you? That's for sheep and followers.
... You're not
interested.
Of course I'm interested. I ask you for an answer every time. What >>>>evidence have /you/ seen?
I've seen a few craft, in one case a cluster of them go across the sky. >>>That
was before satellite clusters.
Thank you. I'm now totally convinced that aliens from space have
visited Earth. Just like I'm convinced that Elvis didn't die. And that >>Bigfoot is on the loose... somewhere out there.
Simpleton. You just want someone to come along and convince you. ...
... And it has
to be an authority, that or nothing.
My sole point is to expose you as a liar, and every time you fail to >>>>>>provide a source for your claims my point is proven.
No, ...
Yes. Did you, or didn't you, provide a source?
Why do I have to? You'll just jerk off like always.
If I had made a claim and was asked to provide evidence I'd be happy
to do so. You, on the other hand, react like it is a personal attack
when people ask for your sources.
Your wokeness, trolling and clown behaviour is an offense to every sensible >mature person.
You didn't. Instead you
evaded my questions exactly the way I predicted you would.
You're not a courtroom prosecutor so quit acting like one.
Not going to happen. As long as you do your thing, I'll do mine.
You are sick.
A.a is so full of crap head stooges. It's a mental asylum.
You've learned from the best.
Haha
'They're letting all the people out of their mental asylums and
sending them to A.A to DESTROY!!! the newsgroup. MAAGA!'
Whatever. Get help.
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:55:20 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>news:[email protected]...
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 08:52:17 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>>>news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]> >>>>>wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still >>>>>>alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think >>>>>about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with >>>>>a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
Neither of us is doing actual "research" on the topic. We both sift >>>through the files looking at material other people have produced. We
do not discover anything that isn't already known, or, in your case,
not really known per se, but claimed nonetheless.
You don't even know what constitutes research so you can't talk.
If you show me your definition, I'll show you mine.
"Malte Runz" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:55:20 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 08:52:17 +1000, "Andrew W"
<[email protected]>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W"
<[email protected]>
wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two
were still
alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when
you think
about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these
things with
a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the
subject?
It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
Neither of us is doing actual "research" on the topic. We
both sift
through the files looking at material other people have
produced. We
do not discover anything that isn't already known, or, in
your case,
not really known per se, but claimed nonetheless.
You don't even know what constitutes research so you can't talk.
If you show me your definition, I'll show you mine.
I've already shown you plenty, and I've seen yours.
You're thick and just swallow MSM crap and Google first few
results. You obviously still haven't researched what kind of
corporation owns Google or which few corps/orgs finance and
manipulate the MSM and left politicians.
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >news:[email protected]...
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:55:20 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>>news:[email protected]...
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 08:52:17 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>>>>news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]> >>>>>>wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still >>>>>>>alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think >>>>>>about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with >>>>>>a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject? >>>>>It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
Neither of us is doing actual "research" on the topic. We both sift >>>>through the files looking at material other people have produced. We
do not discover anything that isn't already known, or, in your case, >>>>not really known per se, but claimed nonetheless.
You don't even know what constitutes research so you can't talk.
If you show me your definition, I'll show you mine.
I've already shown you plenty, ...
On 7/13/25 10:41 AM, jojo wrote:
msm has no legitimacy, legacy media basically.
You're up against the paradox of modern life: Absolutely
*Nobody* trusts the media, but a huge swath of people
believe it religiously.
On Sun, 13 Jul 2025 21:30:46 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>news:[email protected]...
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:55:20 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>>>news:[email protected]...
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 08:52:17 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]> >>>>>wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>>>>>news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 15:01:16 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>wrote:
(snip)
Bodies have been recovered from several sites. One or two were still >>>>>>>>alive
and taken to facilities for study.
Damn, you're gullible. In one way it's amusing, but when you think >>>>>>>about it, it is also scary that a grown man can say these things with >>>>>>>a straight face.
But you somehow know the truth despite no research on the subject? >>>>>>It's you who's gullible in believing the public cover up.
Neither of us is doing actual "research" on the topic. We both sift >>>>>through the files looking at material other people have produced. We >>>>>do not discover anything that isn't already known, or, in your case, >>>>>not really known per se, but claimed nonetheless.
You don't even know what constitutes research so you can't talk.
If you show me your definition, I'll show you mine.
I've already shown you plenty, ...
We're talking about the definition of the term 'research'. How do you
define it?
On 7/13/25 10:41 AM, jojo wrote:
msm has no legitimacy, legacy media basically.
You're up against the paradox of modern life: Absolutely
*Nobody* trusts the media, but a huge swath of people
believe it religiously.
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 10:23:50 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>news:[email protected]...
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 09:22:06 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>>>news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 09:58:50 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]> >>>>>wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>>>>>news:[email protected]...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:24:07 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>wrote:
(snip)
Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ... >>>>>>>Now, that's what I call a 'positive claim', and we all know what that >>>>>>>entails.
Only mainstream media followers and 'authority' followers have never >>>>>>heard
of that. Normies.
Of course I've heard the claims made before. Do you think you're the >>>>>only kook on the internet?
If you call me a kook then you also have to call air force pilots, >>>>senior
military officials and investigators etc. kooks too. ...
And I do.
You have little or no knowledge or qualification to do so. It's you who
has
no credibility.
Pilots and military officials are highly trained and have a career to look >>after. They can't afford to talk crap.
And their career will survive after they've been spilling the beans?
Think, man. They are, as you claim, revealing some of the deepest
secrets kept hidden for generations. How is that going to protect them
and their career?
Did you see the hearings in the US Congress a while back?
The airforce (?) guy who claimed that some of his superiors had >>>ADMITTED!!!! that they were in the possession of alien crafts? He
looked so god damned miserable in his chair, when it dawned on him
that nobody believed him and that he most likely was the butt of a
joke everyone else was in on. A proper kook, but honestly, I felt
sorry for the guy.
That's just your woke emotion based reaction. You've been conditioned
since
a young age to ridicule such things, and that's because of the CIA
ridicule
program that's been running for decades, which you also don't know about. >>Why do you never ask the obvious question: Why would governments go to so >>much trouble to cover this up? I think you're not smart enough to think >>this
far.
You're absolutely right. I'm way too dumb to understand these things. >Explain, oh wise one, why would the government, who is trying to keep
all things 'alien' hidden, allow "Pilots and military officials" to >participate in public hearings, where they spill the beans? Yes,
explain that one to me.
And no, I'm not really looking to you for an answer. I'm being fucking >ironic, in case you haven't noticed.
It's far more likely that you're just an ignorant arrogant smartass >>>>troll
reacting from your emotions.
Ignorant, no. But arrogant smartass, yes.
Thanks for the part admission.
I've never though of it as a secret. I've been trying really hard to
make it as obvious as possible.
... Upgrade your
sources.
Name one.
Of course you don't know any except the mainstream info suppressing >>>>>>ones.
I can't possibly know what /your/ sources are.
You don't have any proper sources so you're always on the lookout for >>>>some.
That's obvious.
Is this how you think it plays out in my mind?:
'Wow! They have captured live aliens!!! How can I learn about that?
You don't want to learn about that, you just want to follow mainstream >>authorities.
One thing all of you kooks have in common is a total lack of ability
to detect irony. You're too full of yourselves.
Right, I better ask Andrew. He knows soooo much about these topics.
You wouldn't know who knows things/truths. You're obviously unable to >>determine that. You just picked the easy, convenient and satisfying side >>and
stuck with it.
So, when you claim to know the truths about the aliens, their origin,
their goals, with whom they cooperate, etc, I shouldn't trust you?
Hey Andrew, can you refer me to a few of your superior sources,
(because [snicker] I'm too lazy to look for it myself)?'
You know exactly why I ask you for the evidence that has convinced
you. (No, not the one single piece of evidence, and no, not all the >>>evidence you have seen over the decades.)
Yes I know why you ask for my evidence and do zero proper research of your >>own (like normal people). ...
What's there to "research", when no evidence is ever provided?
A tall
tale of having been abducted and probed, over and over and over again,
is not evidence of said probing. Tall tales and hearsay is not
evidence, but that is all you have.
... You just want to ridicule whatever you've been
conditioned to ridicule, because you're a man child.
Did your father lead to you to be like this? Was he a ridiculer and >>mainstream/gov authority and media follower?
He deserted from the Nazi's Marine in 1945, an 18 year old kid,
running through a field, bullets flying over his head. He would laugh
at your pathetic ideas about space aliens,
and despise you for siding
with Putin.
Damn, wouldn't you have been a good little Hitler Jugend
boy.
Von Däniken? Alex
Jones? Random Dude on Rumor Mill?
They're all far smarter than you. Why can't you find/see the real truth >>>>instead of just troll?
Listen, there is only one troll in this, and it is the guy who keeps >>>posting outrageous and unsubstantiated claims that he is not willing
to back up and debate in a meaningful way.
You really don't get it. ...
Oh yes, I do.
... There are actually curious people in this world who
want to hear other than gov/media perspectives and narratives.
IOW my posts are not for your type. ...
Then stop responding to my posts. You're not obligated to waste time
on a lost case like me.
... But I do like a challenge, and sometimes
people's minds are actually opened.
So you want a challenge, eh? Lemme think...
Show me an image of a UFO or alien being you believe is the real deal.
(You won't, of course. Instead you will blame me for not having found
it myself.)
Why don't you want to tell me?
Because you're just a dumb jerk who only follows and believes mainstream >>>>slop.
I think we have to look for the answer to my question elsewhere.
Your enquiries are false and insincere and you know it.
Of course I'm insincere when I ask you for answers.
I couldn't give a
fuck about your crazy ideas.
I don't ask because I want to learn about
the kookery you believe is the truth.
I ask you for answers, because I
know you have none. And my track record is immaculate.
I
think you know that none of your sources would stand up to scrutiny.
You still think a.a is a courtroom or something.
Or something. Think of it as a challenge. You like challenges, don't
you?
'A guy said X, and I choose to believe him!' and you're too
embarrassed to show us.
You made up your mind a long time ago and you know it. ...
I was 18 or 19. Reading Carlos Castaneda while taking a shit one fine >afternoon. He claimed to have eaten some mushrooms and turning into a
bird.
And he expected his readers to believe him!
If it hadn't been a library book, guess what I would have use to clean >myself.
... You're just a clown
and mainstream sycophant.
People don't turn into birds.
Also, this is not about what my
sources have to say, it's all about /your/ sources.
But your sources are lying/suppressing crap. That's the real issue.
You're the one making the claim, therefore you provide the evidence. >>>>>This can't be a new concept to you.
No I'm just passing on 'claims' by investigators and official witnesses. >>>>You obviously live in a very small world.
Appeal to authorities noted.
What level of authority are they?
In your world they are the highest level possible. You believe what
they say 'unseen'. Remember, you once ADMITTED!!! that you yourself
never have seen a bona fide alien, 'negative' or otherwise, but you
are sure they do exist... here on Earth. It's basically a question of
faith.
So, do you have an 'upgraded source' that provides evidence for the >>>>>>>retrieval of a crashed craft created by an alien race?
I have plenty ...
So you say, but are unable to provide any. I call your bluff... again. >>>>>
So you want me to waste more time on the likes of you? Why?
Ask yourself why you're responding to my posts in the first place.
It's an interesting challenge, ...
You just called it a waste of time.
... and an opportunity to put clowns/jerks in
their places, ...
An opportunity wasted.
... and inform them of the gov psyops and narrative programs that
have been in place for decades.
Millennia! Who do you think build the Pyramids?
... but you will never search for yourself and switch. ...
I can find hundreds, if not thousands, of people saying the same shit >>>>>you do,
Military officials talk shit? Ok smarty.
Another appeal to authorities.
Diversion
Au contraire. It's a direct attack on the quality of your argument.
You're saying that I, just like you do, should believe the claims,
because they are also made by "military officials", and people in that >position would not "talk shit".
Do you now believe everything "military
officials" say?
Of course not.
Have you checked them out at all?
And do you just believe the gov and media narratives?
"Just", as in 'only', or 'unquestioningly'? In either case, no.
all claiming to have the evidence. Grainy images of out of
focus gray blobs, un-named specialists and insiders spilling the >>>>>beans, ancient wisdom, inter stellar revelations, anecdotal evidence >>>>>of abductions, and of course, 'They are hiding the truth from us'.
So you still don't know why the military and governments hide things >>>>from
the population? Are you dumb?
If they are hiding all the good stuff how have you learned about it?
By looking at sources other than the narratives. The cover ups are quite >>obvious.
Especially when you know they are cover ups.
What material have you gained access to? Material that I also could
find on the internet... if I weren't so lazy.
More than I could post. Most I no longer have.
What a shame. What a god damned shame! Not even one single link, just
to give me an idea of what you have? Nothing left at all?
Do you want some? ...
Whatever gave you that idea?
... First you have to convince me that you're sincere and open
minded and not just a sheep, clown and troll.
And I would rip every- and anything you'd post to pieces. You know it.
If you trusted your sources, your ideas, and your arguments, you would
bury me under them.
But what we get instead are the same lazy
arguments for not posting what I ask to see.
They put strict laws in place. Find out why and then come back.
Name one law They have put in place.
'§1: Keep the alien spaceships hidden from the gullible masses.'
In 1969, NASA passed a federal regulation dealing with ‘Extra-terrestrial >>Exposure’. The “Extraterrestrial Exposure Law” offers a legal precedent >>for
the detention and indefinite imprisonment of any individual who comes into >>contact with extraterrestrials.
What kind of extraterrestrial 'material' do you believe it was thought >someone could be exposed to?
I've never heard of this, so I'll do some digging.
Before I start, I think it is about procedure in case of the Apollo 11
crew's and future astronauts' exposure to something
'extraterrestrial'. Keeping us all safe from E.T. But we'll see. I'll
start by 'researching' “Extraterrestrial Exposure Law”.
[clickity clickity]
https://tinyurl.com/54jchbte
This is what you are talking about, right? Easy peasy.
By the way, it's not a law per se.
***
PART 1211-EXTRATERRESTRIAL
EXPOSURE
§ 1211.100 Scope.
This part establishes: (a) NASA
policy, responsibility and authority to
guard the Earth against any harmful
contamination or adverse changes in its
environment resulting from personnel,
spacecraft and other property returning
to the Earth after landing on or coming within the atmospheric
envelope of a celestial body; and (b) security requirements,
restrictions and safeguards that are necessary in the interest of the >national security.
[...]
***
Told ya!
It's an easy read, and as expected, it is nothing like you described
it. Prove me wrong. Quotes from the link is a must. Think of it as "an >interesting challenge". You like challenges, remember.
I can start and show you what I mean. You stated that
"The “Extraterrestrial Exposure Law” offers a legal precedent for
the detention and indefinite imprisonment of any individual who comes
into contact with extraterrestrials."
Where in the text do they talk about potential "indefinite
imprisonment"? The Apollo 11 crew spent three weeks in quarantine
AFAIR.
And where do they use the precise term "extraterrestrials".
I am convinced that you never have read full text before. If you had,
you wouldn't have misquoted the name of the text. Also, I'm sure you
copy pasted your paragraph about the wrongly named “Extraterrestrial >Exposure Law” and that it is all you know about.
Understand that I'm interested in learning what /you/ have found and >>>>>where you found it.
Yes you're obsessed about that. I get it. ...
I really don't think you do.
So you're a very seasoned troll? Professional perhaps?
I don't troll. I poke.
... Your emotions just can't handle
'claims'. Get therapy.
If therapy would make me believe stories about alien abductions and >>>captured spaceships, I'd rather stay... 'emotional' regarding those >>>things.
No not just believe. Why is it always just a case of believe or not
believe
with you? That's for sheep and followers.
It's not always about that. But in case of the existence of aliens
here on Earth it is. You believe, I don't.
... You're not
interested.
Of course I'm interested. I ask you for an answer every time. What >>>>>evidence have /you/ seen?
I've seen a few craft, in one case a cluster of them go across the sky. >>>>That
was before satellite clusters.
Thank you. I'm now totally convinced that aliens from space have
visited Earth. Just like I'm convinced that Elvis didn't die. And that >>>Bigfoot is on the loose... somewhere out there.
Simpleton. You just want someone to come along and convince you. ...
As I said above: "I really don't think you do." 'Get it', that is.
... And it has
to be an authority, that or nothing.
Your "Pilots and military officials" count as authorities.
My sole point is to expose you as a liar, and every time you fail to >>>>>>>provide a source for your claims my point is proven.
No, ...
Yes. Did you, or didn't you, provide a source?
Why do I have to? You'll just jerk off like always.
If I had made a claim and was asked to provide evidence I'd be happy
to do so. You, on the other hand, react like it is a personal attack
when people ask for your sources.
Your wokeness, trolling and clown behaviour is an offense to every
sensible
mature person.
Ignore me, or stop whining.
You didn't. Instead you
evaded my questions exactly the way I predicted you would.
You're not a courtroom prosecutor so quit acting like one.
Not going to happen. As long as you do your thing, I'll do mine.
You are sick.
Again, I can only suggest that you ignore me.
A.a is so full of crap head stooges. It's a mental asylum.
You've learned from the best.
Haha
'They're letting all the people out of their mental asylums and
sending them to A.A to DESTROY!!! the newsgroup. MAAGA!'
Whatever. Get help.
I don't need help, silly. I can handle the likes of you on my own.
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >news:[email protected]...
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 10:23:50 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>>news:[email protected]...
On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 09:22:06 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>>>>news:[email protected]...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 09:58:50 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]> >>>>>>wrote:
"Malte Runz" wrote in message >>>>>>>news:[email protected]...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:24:07 +1000, "Andrew W" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>wrote:
(snip)
Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ... >>>>>>>>Now, that's what I call a 'positive claim', and we all know what that >>>>>>>>entails.
Only mainstream media followers and 'authority' followers have never >>>>>>>heard
of that. Normies.
Of course I've heard the claims made before. Do you think you're the >>>>>>only kook on the internet?
If you call me a kook then you also have to call air force pilots, >>>>>senior
military officials and investigators etc. kooks too. ...
And I do.
You have little or no knowledge or qualification to do so. It's you who >>>has
no credibility.
Pilots and military officials are highly trained and have a career to look >>>after. They can't afford to talk crap.
And their career will survive after they've been spilling the beans?
Think, man. They are, as you claim, revealing some of the deepest
secrets kept hidden for generations. How is that going to protect them
and their career?
80% of them ...
won't just spill all the beans, only parts.
And these public talks usually happen decades after the events and when the >classification of documents have expired.
Did you see the hearings in the US Congress a while back?
The airforce (?) guy who claimed that some of his superiors had >>>>ADMITTED!!!! that they were in the possession of alien crafts? He >>>>looked so god damned miserable in his chair, when it dawned on him
that nobody believed him and that he most likely was the butt of a
joke everyone else was in on. A proper kook, but honestly, I felt
sorry for the guy.
That's just your woke emotion based reaction. You've been conditioned >>>since
a young age to ridicule such things, and that's because of the CIA >>>ridicule
program that's been running for decades, which you also don't know about. >>>Why do you never ask the obvious question: Why would governments go to so >>>much trouble to cover this up? I think you're not smart enough to think >>>this
far.
You're absolutely right. I'm way too dumb to understand these things. >>Explain, oh wise one, why would the government, who is trying to keep
all things 'alien' hidden, allow "Pilots and military officials" to >>participate in public hearings, where they spill the beans? Yes,
explain that one to me.
See above re. docs being declassified and old events.
And there's a slow gov disclosure happening now because too many people are >demanding it and the gov doesn't want an implosion of their narrative when >things boil over.
And no, I'm not really looking to you for an answer. I'm being fucking >>ironic, in case you haven't noticed.
Like a troll.
and despise you for siding
with Putin.
That's your blown out imagination. I never sided with Putin. ...
... I just said
that he's a distraction by the deep state who have murdered billions over >decades.
Putin in fact hasn't been proven to murder anyone or even order such. ...
... He's
just another distraction puppet on a stage, and you fell for it.
It is the Ukraine cabals that are murdering innocent people and blaming >Putin.
Damn, wouldn't you have been a good little Hitler Jugend
boy.
Hitler used the then German media and rallies to get supporters. It's you
who believes and follows the media so you put two and two together to see
who would follow Hitler.
... There are actually curious people in this world who
want to hear other than gov/media perspectives and narratives.
IOW my posts are not for your type. ...
Then stop responding to my posts. You're not obligated to waste time
on a lost case like me.
Why do you respond to my posts? Look at that reason first.
... But I do like a challenge, and sometimes
people's minds are actually opened.
So you want a challenge, eh? Lemme think...
Show me an image of a UFO or alien being you believe is the real deal.
(You won't, of course. Instead you will blame me for not having found
it myself.)
Be more mature.
In your world they are the highest level possible. You believe what
they say 'unseen'. Remember, you once ADMITTED!!! that you yourself
never have seen a bona fide alien, 'negative' or otherwise, but you
are sure they do exist... here on Earth. It's basically a question of >>faith.
Just another brain fart of yours. ...
... and inform them of the gov psyops and narrative programs that
have been in place for decades.
Millennia! Who do you think build the Pyramids?
Humans with advanced tech.
... but you will never search for yourself and switch. ...
I can find hundreds, if not thousands, of people saying the same shit >>>>>>you do,
Military officials talk shit? Ok smarty.
Another appeal to authorities.
Diversion
Au contraire. It's a direct attack on the quality of your argument.
You're saying that I, just like you do, should believe the claims,
because they are also made by "military officials", and people in that >>position would not "talk shit".
The difference is I look at decades of info and documented evidence and >research. ...
... I don't just believe one or two officials. You're the believer
type here.
Of course not.
Have you checked them out at all?
And do you just believe the gov and media narratives?
"Just", as in 'only', or 'unquestioningly'? In either case, no.
You dodged the first question.
You don't go far enough with questioning them. ...
Do you want some? ...
Whatever gave you that idea?
... First you have to convince me that you're sincere and open
minded and not just a sheep, clown and troll.
And I would rip every- and anything you'd post to pieces. You know it.
Without even any info on the subject? Haha. Loser.
If you trusted your sources, your ideas, and your arguments, you would
bury me under them.
I trust no one. ...
... And I don't trust you.
They put strict laws in place. Find out why and then come back.
Name one law They have put in place.
'�1: Keep the alien spaceships hidden from the gullible masses.'
In 1969, NASA passed a federal regulation dealing with �Extra-terrestrial >>>Exposure�. The �Extraterrestrial Exposure Law� offers a legal precedent >>>for
the detention and indefinite imprisonment of any individual who comes into >>>contact with extraterrestrials.
What kind of extraterrestrial 'material' do you believe it was thought >>someone could be exposed to?
I've never heard of this, so I'll do some digging.
Before I start, I think it is about procedure in case of the Apollo 11 >>crew's and future astronauts' exposure to something
'extraterrestrial'. Keeping us all safe from E.T. But we'll see. I'll
start by 'researching' �Extraterrestrial Exposure Law�.
[clickity clickity]
https://tinyurl.com/54jchbte
This is what you are talking about, right? Easy peasy.
By the way, it's not a law per se.
***
PART 1211-EXTRATERRESTRIAL
EXPOSURE
� 1211.100 Scope.
This part establishes: (a) NASA
policy, responsibility and authority to
guard the Earth against any harmful
contamination or adverse changes in its
environment resulting from personnel,
spacecraft and other property returning
to the Earth after landing on or coming within the atmospheric
envelope of a celestial body; and (b) security requirements,
restrictions and safeguards that are necessary in the interest of the >>national security.
[...]
***
There's never been any evidence of any contamination. Why make a document >like that? ...
... People have been arrested.
Told ya!
It's an easy read, and as expected, it is nothing like you described
it. Prove me wrong. Quotes from the link is a must. Think of it as "an >>interesting challenge". You like challenges, remember.
If it was easy and quick then it wasn't a challenge. You did practically >nothing and then gloated.
I can start and show you what I mean. You stated that
"The �Extraterrestrial Exposure Law� offers a legal precedent for
the detention and indefinite imprisonment of any individual who comes
into contact with extraterrestrials."
Where in the text do they talk about potential "indefinite
imprisonment"? The Apollo 11 crew spent three weeks in quarantine
AFAIR.
And where do they use the precise term "extraterrestrials".
I am convinced that you never have read full text before. If you had,
you wouldn't have misquoted the name of the text. Also, I'm sure you
copy pasted your paragraph about the wrongly named �Extraterrestrial >>Exposure Law� and that it is all you know about [it].
You're out of your depth.
Understand that I'm interested in learning what /you/ have found and >>>>>>where you found it.
Yes you're obsessed about that. I get it. ...
I really don't think you do.
So you're a very seasoned troll? Professional perhaps?
I don't troll. I poke.
You have no good reason.
My sole point is to expose you as a liar, and every time you fail to >>>>>>>>provide a source for your claims my point is proven.
No, ...
Yes. Did you, or didn't you, provide a source?
Why do I have to? You'll just jerk off like always.
If I had made a claim and was asked to provide evidence I'd be happy
to do so. You, on the other hand, react like it is a personal attack >>>>when people ask for your sources.
Your wokeness, trolling and clown behaviour is an offense to every >>>sensible
mature person.
Ignore me, or stop whining.
It's you who whines about 'kooks'.
You didn't. Instead you
evaded my questions exactly the way I predicted you would.
You're not a courtroom prosecutor so quit acting like one.
Not going to happen. As long as you do your thing, I'll do mine.
You are sick.
Again, I can only suggest that you ignore me.
It's sometimes fun putting trolls in their places.
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