• The puzzle science is solving

    From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 08:10:30 2024
    It is not "how things really are". It
    is "which word sequences are good ones".
    It's an optimization problem with no
    one-and-unique solution.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 10:36:24 2024
    Le 28/10/2024 à 08:10, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    It is not "how things really are". It
    is "which word sequences are good ones".
    It's an optimization problem with no
    one-and-unique solution.

    You may be interested by Jean-Louis Krivine's work, he's a logician and is proposing a foundation for maths and physics based on an idea that /could/
    be expressed as such (who knows what your ideas are, but anyway...)

    https://www.irif.fr/~krivine/

    His last book for the general public was recently published : "Les décompilateurs". AFAIK not translated into any langage yet.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Mon Oct 28 12:05:38 2024
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 7:10:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    It is not "how things really are".

    I agree.

    It is "which word sequences are good ones".

    I disagree. Humans build maps of reality.
    They're called scientific theories.

    It's an optimization problem with no
    one-and-unique solution.

    So, yes, it IS an optimization problem
    because it is an ongoing process of devising
    better maps.

    Some maps are bad right out of the gate, some
    maps are good, some maps are better.

    Unintelligent humans build bad maps, as
    demonstrated by many posters to this
    discussion group.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 14:07:16 2024
    Le 28/10/2024 à 13:05, [email protected] (gharnagel) a écrit :
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 7:10:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    It is not "how things really are".

    I agree.

    It is "which word sequences are good ones".

    I disagree. Humans build maps of reality.
    They're called scientific theories.

    If "word sequences that are good ones" means that de-compiled forms of the programs we have in our brains i.e. logic, maths and physics (for
    instance) are matching the actual programs that are correct (because
    evolution made sur they do) I agree with the original sentence.

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to gharnagel on Mon Oct 28 08:20:41 2024
    gharnagel wrote:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 7:10:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    It is not "how things really are".

    I agree.

    It is "which word sequences are good ones".

    I disagree. Humans build maps of reality.
    They're called scientific theories.

    You are saying..

    they created a world of fake science. Physics is fake.

    It's an invention by people who call themselves...scientists.

    A sort of a distraction from the...real world.


    A space hobby.


    That explains why everyone here are wearing ...spacetime watches!


    Look at your spacetime watch..

    the time slows down the faster you run!


    "What time do you have?" "It's relative!"


    Where I'm at, my watch reads...right now.


    It's right now no matter where I'm at in the universe!


    I'm never late. I'm always on time.






    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 16:21:16 2024
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 13:05, gharnagel pisze:
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 7:10:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    It is not "how things really are".

    I agree.

    It is "which word sequences are good ones".

    I disagree.  Humans build maps of reality.
    They're called scientific theories.


    Maps? Harrie, poor idiot, maps are
    drawings. Scientific theories are
    descriptions; they're word sequences.


    It's an optimization problem with no
    one-and-unique solution.

    So, yes, it IS an optimization problem

    It is.
    Well, exact science was never good
    at this kind of problems.


    Unintelligent humans build bad maps, as
    demonstrated by many posters to this
    discussion group.

    It absolutely is. Even worse, as they are
    too stupid to discuss - they're just spitting
    and slandering their opposition, just like you.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 16:46:03 2024
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 15:07, Python pisze:
    Le 28/10/2024 à 13:05, [email protected] (gharnagel) a écrit :
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 7:10:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    It is not "how things really are".

    I agree.

    It is "which word sequences are good ones".

    I disagree.  Humans build maps of reality.
    They're called scientific theories.

    If "word sequences that are good ones" means that de-compiled forms of
    the programs we have in our brains i.e. logic, maths and physics (for instance) are matching the actual programs that are correct

    But there is no one-and-unique "correct".
    There are just local optimums, and they're
    floating (what is good now doesn't have to be
    good in 100 years).

    (because evolution made sur they do)

    In some centuries The Shit will be
    only remembered as an antipattern of "how
    and why you should never make a scientific
    theory or any description of anything".

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 16:14:23 2024
    Le 28/10/2024 à 16:46, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 15:07, Python pisze:
    Le 28/10/2024 à 13:05, [email protected] (gharnagel) a écrit :
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 7:10:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    It is not "how things really are".

    I agree.

    It is "which word sequences are good ones".

    I disagree.  Humans build maps of reality.
    They're called scientific theories.

    If "word sequences that are good ones" means that de-compiled forms of
    the programs we have in our brains i.e. logic, maths and physics (for
    instance) are matching the actual programs that are correct

    But there is no one-and-unique "correct".
    There are just local optimums, and they're
    floating (what is good now doesn't have to be
    good in 100 years).

    We could agree on that. Rather than local optimums I would say that they
    are more complete "High level" implementations of the "machine language"
    in your brains.

    (because evolution made sur they do)

    In some centuries [SR] will be
    only remembered as an antipattern of "how
    and why you should never make a scientific
    theory or any description of anything".

    Your mistake is to deny that SR, as well as NM, are fitting very well with
    this line of thinking. As well as QM. Krivine addresses this in is book
    and articles with specific words on SR and QM in addition to NM.

    BTW, SR is not a "theory of anything", neither is GR. QM in a way is, or
    claim to have such a goal, but, IMHO QM could be more a theory of
    information (or a blueprint of one) than a physical theory.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 18:29:09 2024
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 17:14, Python pisze:
    Le 28/10/2024 à 16:46, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 15:07, Python pisze:
    Le 28/10/2024 à 13:05, [email protected] (gharnagel) a écrit :
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 7:10:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    It is not "how things really are".

    I agree.

    It is "which word sequences are good ones".

    I disagree.  Humans build maps of reality.
    They're called scientific theories.

    If "word sequences that are good ones" means that de-compiled forms
    of the programs we have in our brains i.e. logic, maths and physics
    (for instance) are matching the actual programs that are correct

    But there is no one-and-unique "correct".
    There are just local optimums, and they're
    floating (what is good now doesn't have to be
    good in 100 years).

    We could agree on that. Rather than local optimums I would say that they
    are more complete "High level" implementations of the "machine language"
    in your brains.

    Bigger and more powerful software doesn't mean
    "more complete". It's just bigger and more
    powerful. And so is our knowledge - compared
    to the knowledge of our ancestors. There is
    no "complete" state it's targetting.




    (because evolution made sur they do)

    In some centuries  [SR] will be
    only remembered as an antipattern of "how
    and why you should never make a scientific
    theory or any description of anything".

    Your mistake is to deny that SR, as well as NM, are fitting very well
    with this line of thinking.

    So is marxism-leninism. At least - as long as
    its enthusiasts are evaluating that. But none
    of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Mon Oct 28 17:11:23 2024
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 15:21:16 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 13:05, gharnagel pisze:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 7:10:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    It is not "how things really are".

    I agree.

    It is "which word sequences are good ones".

    I disagree.  Humans build maps of reality.
    They're called scientific theories.

    Maps? Harrie, poor idiot, maps are
    drawings. Scientific theories are
    descriptions; they're word sequences.

    (sigh!) Wozniak goes nuts again!

    https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/map

    a plan, a portrayal.

    plan: "scheme, design, way of doing things, idea"

    Wozniak seems to have trouble with understanding
    that words have a range of meaning. Perhaps in
    addition to addiction, dishonesty and coprophilia
    he has autism, too.

    It's an optimization problem with no
    one-and-unique solution.

    So, yes, it IS an optimization problem

    It is.
    Well, exact science was never good
    at this kind of problems.

    There is no such thing as "exact science." The
    degree of certainty increases when going from
    hypotheses to theories to laws. Even laws aren't
    certain:

    "What is not surrounded by uncertainty cannot be
    the truth." -- Richard Feynman

    Unintelligent humans build bad maps, as
    demonstrated by many posters to this
    discussion group.

    It absolutely is. Even worse, as they are
    too stupid to discuss -

    Wozniak doesn't even realize he's describing
    himself. He NEVER discusses: he pontificates.

    they're just spitting and slandering their
    opposition, just like you.

    Wozniak has no clue whether anyone is spitting
    while typing a response to his addled posts,
    and no one is "slandering" because:

    slander: the action or crime of making a false
    SPOKEN statement damaging to a person's reputation"

    and for two reasons: anything said here is written,
    not spoken and Wozniak has no reputation to
    damage.

    Wozniak is like the pathological liar:

    "Pathological liars often lie to manipulate and
    control others, creating intricate stories that
    may even deceive themselves."

    https://tagvault.org/blog/pathological-liar-vs-compulsive-liar-vs-congenital-liar/

    And he doesn't seem to realize that he is doing
    exactly what he denounces in others, nor does he
    realize that HE is a builder of bad maps :-)

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 18:48:25 2024
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 18:11, gharnagel pisze:
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 15:21:16 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 13:05, gharnagel pisze:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 7:10:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    It is not "how things really are".

    I agree.

    It is "which word sequences are good ones".

    I disagree.  Humans build maps of reality.
    They're called scientific theories.

    Maps? Harrie, poor idiot, maps are
    drawings. Scientific theories are
    descriptions; they're word sequences.

    (sigh!)  Wozniak goes nuts again!

    https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/map

    a plan, a portrayal.

    plan: "scheme, design, way of doing things, idea"

    Wozniak seems to have trouble with understanding
    that words have a range of meaning.

    Rather, Harnagel seems to have a problem
    with understanding that the range of
    meaning for "plan" is different than the
    range of meaning for "map".

    Well, exact science was never good
    at this kind of problems.

    There is no such thing as "exact science."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exact_sciences

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 20:05:32 2024
    Le 28/10/2024 à 18:29, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 17:14, Python pisze:
    Le 28/10/2024 à 16:46, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 15:07, Python pisze:
    Le 28/10/2024 à 13:05, [email protected] (gharnagel) a écrit :
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 7:10:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    It is not "how things really are".

    I agree.

    It is "which word sequences are good ones".

    I disagree.  Humans build maps of reality.
    They're called scientific theories.

    If "word sequences that are good ones" means that de-compiled forms
    of the programs we have in our brains i.e. logic, maths and physics
    (for instance) are matching the actual programs that are correct

    But there is no one-and-unique "correct".
    There are just local optimums, and they're
    floating (what is good now doesn't have to be
    good in 100 years).

    We could agree on that. Rather than local optimums I would say that they
    are more complete "High level" implementations of the "machine language"
    in your brains.

    Bigger and more powerful software doesn't mean
    "more complete". It's just bigger and more
    powerful.

    Krivine (and his team) views are not about software per se.
    it is an analogy between programs in our brains (low level
    "programmed" by evolution) and logic/math/physics as
    "decompiled" by humans from their own introspection.

    And so is our knowledge - compared
    to the knowledge of our ancestors. There is
    no "complete" state it's targetting.

    Sure. Krivine makes fun of physicists looking for the "theory
    of everything" or "the language of God".

    (because evolution made sur they do)

    In some centuries  [SR] will be
    only remembered as an antipattern of "how
    and why you should never make a scientific
    theory or any description of anything".

    Your mistake is to deny that SR, as well as NM, are fitting very well
    with this line of thinking.

    So is marxism-leninism.

    I do think so too. But I'm marxist :-)

    At least - as long as
    its enthusiasts are evaluating that. But none
    of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together.

    Then you're going to abuse and off-track idiotic rant, again.
    Preventing any kind of communication with others.

    You seem to have decided at some point in your life that everyone
    on Earth were producing non-sense except you (even if you've, afaik,
    never published anything). You look much like Dr. Hachel/Lengrand
    on this matter.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 22:09:55 2024
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 21:05, Python pisze:
    Le 28/10/2024 à 18:29, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 17:14, Python pisze:
    Le 28/10/2024 à 16:46, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 15:07, Python pisze:
    Le 28/10/2024 à 13:05, [email protected] (gharnagel) a écrit :
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 7:10:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    It is not "how things really are".

    I agree.

    It is "which word sequences are good ones".

    I disagree.  Humans build maps of reality.
    They're called scientific theories.

    If "word sequences that are good ones" means that de-compiled forms
    of the programs we have in our brains i.e. logic, maths and physics
    (for instance) are matching the actual programs that are correct

    But there is no one-and-unique "correct".
    There are just local optimums, and they're
    floating (what is good now doesn't have to be
    good in 100 years).

    We could agree on that. Rather than local optimums I would say that
    they are more complete "High level" implementations of the "machine
    language" in your brains.

    Bigger and more powerful software doesn't mean
    "more complete". It's just bigger and more
    powerful.

    Krivine (and his team) views are not about software per se.
    it is an analogy between programs in our brains (low level
    "programmed" by evolution) and logic/math/physics as "decompiled" by
    humans from their own introspection.


    So, there is no reason to care about their views.
    Introspection? Of - what? Apart of a human brain
    nothing deals with words, neither mathematical
    way nor any other way.


    And so is our knowledge - compared
    to the knowledge of our ancestors. There is
    no "complete" state it's targetting.

    Sure. Krivine makes fun of physicists looking for the "theory
    of everything" or "the language of God".

    (because evolution made sur they do)

    In some centuries  [SR] will be
    only remembered as an antipattern of "how
    and why you should never make a scientific
    theory or any description of anything".

    Your mistake is to deny that SR, as well as NM, are fitting very well
    with this line of thinking.

    So is marxism-leninism.

    I do think so too. But I'm marxist :-)

    At least - as long as
    its enthusiasts are evaluating that. But none
    of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together.

    Then you're going to abuse and off-track idiotic rant, again.
    Preventing any kind of communication with others.


    It's for sure nothing but some idiotic rant to
    suggest that your bunch of idiots doesn't know
    everythibg about everything.
    For sure, suggesting there is something you don't
    know - immediately prevents any kind of communication
    with you.
    That's how the DK effect works.


    You seem to have decided at some point in your life that everyone
    on Earth were producing non-sense except you

    What you're projecting at me is exactly what The
    Shit has taught yourself and your fellow idiots.

    But, no, the followers of The Shit are no way
    "everyone except me".

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 21:42:39 2024
    Le 28/10/2024 à 22:09, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 21:05, Python pisze:
    Le 28/10/2024 à 18:29, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 17:14, Python pisze:
    Le 28/10/2024 à 16:46, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 15:07, Python pisze:
    Le 28/10/2024 à 13:05, [email protected] (gharnagel) a écrit :
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 7:10:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    It is not "how things really are".

    I agree.

    It is "which word sequences are good ones".

    I disagree.  Humans build maps of reality.
    They're called scientific theories.

    If "word sequences that are good ones" means that de-compiled forms >>>>>> of the programs we have in our brains i.e. logic, maths and physics >>>>>> (for instance) are matching the actual programs that are correct

    But there is no one-and-unique "correct".
    There are just local optimums, and they're
    floating (what is good now doesn't have to be
    good in 100 years).

    We could agree on that. Rather than local optimums I would say that
    they are more complete "High level" implementations of the "machine
    language" in your brains.

    Bigger and more powerful software doesn't mean
    "more complete". It's just bigger and more
    powerful.

    Krivine (and his team) views are not about software per se.
    it is an analogy between programs in our brains (low level
    "programmed" by evolution) and logic/math/physics as "decompiled" by
    humans from their own introspection.


    So, there is no reason to care about their views.
    Introspection? Of - what? Apart of a human brain
    nothing deals with words, neither mathematical
    way nor any other way.


    Ok, you didn't get it and never will.

    I wasn't expecting better by the way :-)

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 21:41:14 2024
    Le 28/10/2024 à 22:09, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 21:05, Python pisze:
    Le 28/10/2024 à 18:29, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 17:14, Python pisze:
    Le 28/10/2024 à 16:46, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 15:07, Python pisze:
    Le 28/10/2024 à 13:05, [email protected] (gharnagel) a écrit :
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 7:10:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    It is not "how things really are".

    I agree.

    It is "which word sequences are good ones".

    I disagree.  Humans build maps of reality.
    They're called scientific theories.

    If "word sequences that are good ones" means that de-compiled forms >>>>>> of the programs we have in our brains i.e. logic, maths and physics >>>>>> (for instance) are matching the actual programs that are correct

    But there is no one-and-unique "correct".
    There are just local optimums, and they're
    floating (what is good now doesn't have to be
    good in 100 years).

    We could agree on that. Rather than local optimums I would say that
    they are more complete "High level" implementations of the "machine
    language" in your brains.

    Bigger and more powerful software doesn't mean
    "more complete". It's just bigger and more
    powerful.

    Krivine (and his team) views are not about software per se.
    it is an analogy between programs in our brains (low level
    "programmed" by evolution) and logic/math/physics as "decompiled" by
    humans from their own introspection.


    So, there is no reason to care about their views.
    Introspection? Of - what? Apart of a human brain
    nothing deals with words, neither mathematical
    way nor any other way.


    And so is our knowledge - compared
    to the knowledge of our ancestors. There is
    no "complete" state it's targetting.

    Sure. Krivine makes fun of physicists looking for the "theory
    of everything" or "the language of God".

    (because evolution made sur they do)

    In some centuries  [SR] will be
    only remembered as an antipattern of "how
    and why you should never make a scientific
    theory or any description of anything".

    Your mistake is to deny that SR, as well as NM, are fitting very well
    with this line of thinking.

    So is marxism-leninism.

    I do think so too. But I'm marxist :-)

    At least - as long as
    its enthusiasts are evaluating that. But none
    of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together.

    Then you're going to abuse and off-track idiotic rant, again.
    Preventing any kind of communication with others.


    It's for sure nothing but some idiotic rant to
    suggest that your bunch of idiots doesn't know
    everythibg about everything.
    For sure, suggesting there is something you don't
    know - immediately prevents any kind of communication
    with you.

    You didn't suggest that there is something I don't know. What the Hell are
    you talking about ?

    That's how the DK effect works.


    You seem to have decided at some point in your life that everyone
    on Earth were producing non-sense except you

    What you're projecting at me is exactly what The
    Shit has taught yourself and your fellow idiots.

    So Humanity is a plot against Maciej Wozniak ? LOL!!!

    But, no, the followers of The Shit are no way
    "everyone except me".

    Oh ! Name a few that follows your views on SR (and the rest of Physics) ?
    Name one.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 22:16:44 2024
    Le 28/10/2024 à 22:09, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    So, there is no reason to care about their views.


    A question Wozniak: have you *ever once* cared the views of anyone else
    but *you*?

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 07:33:43 2024
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 23:16, Python pisze:
    Le 28/10/2024 à 22:09, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    So, there is no reason to care about their views.


    A question Wozniak: have you *ever once* cared the views of anyone else
    but *you*?

    Yes. Many times. Usually.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 07:47:06 2024
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 22:41, Python pisze:

    At least - as long as
    its enthusiasts are evaluating that. But none
    of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together.

    Then you're going to abuse and off-track idiotic rant, again.
    Preventing any kind of communication with others.


    It's for sure nothing  but some idiotic rant to
    suggest that your bunch of idiots doesn't know
    everythibg about everything.
    For sure, suggesting there is something you don't
    know - immediately  prevents any kind of communication
    with you.

    You didn't suggest that there is something I don't know. What the Hell
    are you talking about ?

    "But none of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together".
    That's the Hell what I'm talking about.
    That's what's driving you and your fellow
    idiots mad.

    So Humanity is a plot against Maciej Wozniak ? LOL!!!

    The Church of The Shit is not Humanity, it's just
    a small and insignificant part of it.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Tue Oct 29 12:08:37 2024
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 17:48:25 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 18:11, gharnagel pisze:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 15:21:16 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 13:05, gharnagel pisze:

    I disagree.  Humans build maps of reality.
    They're called scientific theories.

    Maps? Harrie, poor idiot, maps are
    drawings. Scientific theories are
    descriptions; they're word sequences.

    (sigh!)  Wozniak goes nuts again!

    https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/map

    a plan, a portrayal.

    plan: "scheme, design, way of doing things, idea"

    Wozniak seems to have trouble with understanding
    that words have a range of meaning.

    Rather, Harnagel seems to have a problem
    with understanding that the range of
    meaning for "plan" is different than the
    range of meaning for "map".

    Since "plan" is in the range of words for "map"
    and a plan is more than a drawing, Wozniak isn't
    making any sense, as usual.

    Well, exact science was never good
    at this kind of problems.

    There is no such thing as "exact science."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exact_sciences

    Wozniak is conflating "exact" as an adjective
    with "exact_science" as a noun, which describes
    a branch of science which doesn't mean that its
    results are in any way absolutely "perfect" or
    "true" which was how Wozniak was using the word
    and I went along with it.

    https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/exact

    His link was merely an attempt to conflate the
    meaning of words to foment an argument.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 13:33:54 2024
    W dniu 29.10.2024 o 13:08, gharnagel pisze:
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 17:48:25 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 18:11, gharnagel pisze:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 15:21:16 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 13:05, gharnagel pisze:

    I disagree.  Humans build maps of reality.
    They're called scientific theories.

    Maps? Harrie, poor idiot, maps are
    drawings. Scientific theories are
    descriptions; they're word sequences.

    (sigh!)  Wozniak goes nuts again!

    https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/map

    a plan, a portrayal.

    plan: "scheme, design, way of doing things, idea"

    Wozniak seems to have trouble with understanding
    that words have a range of meaning.

    Rather, Harnagel seems to have a problem
    with understanding that the range of
    meaning for  "plan" is different than the
    range of meaning for "map".

    Since "plan" is in the range of words for "map"
    and a plan is more than a drawing, Wozniak isn't
    making any sense, as usual.

    Harnagel's "logic" sucks, as usual.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exact_sciences

    Wozniak is conflating "exact" as an adjective
    with "exact_science" as a noun

    No, Harnagel is lying, as usual.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 12:47:22 2024
    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 12:33:54 +0000, Maciej Wozniak lied:

    W dniu 29.10.2024 o 13:08, gharnagel pisze:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 17:48:25 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    Rather, Harnagel seems to have a problem
    with understanding that the range of
    meaning for  "plan" is different than the
    range of meaning for "map".

    Since "plan" is in the range of words for "map"
    and a plan is more than a drawing, Wozniak isn't
    making any sense, as usual.

    Harnagel's "logic" sucks, as usual.

    Says the illogical nut who denies information while
    calling himself an "information engineer" :-))

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exact_sciences

    Wozniak is conflating "exact" as an adjective
    with "exact_science" as a noun

    No, Harnagel is lying, as usual.

    Says Wozniak the congenital, pathological liar :-))

    He's "crafty and mean. But not creative, not truly
    intelligent." -- Robert A. Heinlein

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 13:09:03 2024
    Le 29/10/2024 à 07:47, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 22:41, Python pisze:

    At least - as long as
    its enthusiasts are evaluating that. But none
    of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together.

    Then you're going to abuse and off-track idiotic rant, again.
    Preventing any kind of communication with others.


    It's for sure nothing  but some idiotic rant to
    suggest that your bunch of idiots doesn't know
    everythibg about everything.
    For sure, suggesting there is something you don't
    know - immediately  prevents any kind of communication
    with you.

    You didn't suggest that there is something I don't know. What the Hell
    are you talking about ?

    "But none of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together".
    That's the Hell what I'm talking about.
    That's what's driving you [...] mad.

    Not quite. Your ability to "put words together" are not very impressive
    Maciej.

    "everythibg about everything" LOL.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 13:10:15 2024
    Le 29/10/2024 à 07:47, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 22:41, Python pisze:

    At least - as long as
    its enthusiasts are evaluating that. But none
    of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together.

    Then you're going to abuse and off-track idiotic rant, again.
    Preventing any kind of communication with others.


    It's for sure nothing  but some idiotic rant to
    suggest that your bunch of idiots doesn't know
    everythibg about everything.
    For sure, suggesting there is something you don't
    know - immediately  prevents any kind of communication
    with you.

    You didn't suggest that there is something I don't know. What the Hell
    are you talking about ?

    "But none of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together".
    That's the Hell what I'm talking about.
    That's what's driving you [...] mad.

    Not quite. Your ability to "put words together" is not very impressive
    Maciej.

    "everythibg about everything" LOL.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 15:56:33 2024
    Le 29/10/2024 à 16:22, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 29.10.2024 o 14:10, Python pisze:
    Le 29/10/2024 à 07:47, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 22:41, Python pisze:

    At least - as long as
    its enthusiasts are evaluating that. But none
    of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together.

    Then you're going to abuse and off-track idiotic rant, again.
    Preventing any kind of communication with others.


    It's for sure nothing  but some idiotic rant to
    suggest that your bunch of idiots doesn't know
    everythibg about everything.
    For sure, suggesting there is something you don't
    know - immediately  prevents any kind of communication
    with you.

    You didn't suggest that there is something I don't know. What the
    Hell are you talking about ?

    "But none  of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together".
    That's the Hell what I'm talking about.
    That's what's driving you [...] mad.

    Not quite. Your ability to "put words together" is not very impressive

    Still -

    Certain. Glad that we agree on that.

    none of [physicists] had any
    real knowledge about the process.

    This is your opinion. Mine is the opposite.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 16:22:24 2024
    W dniu 29.10.2024 o 14:10, Python pisze:
    Le 29/10/2024 à 07:47, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 22:41, Python pisze:

    At least - as long as
    its enthusiasts are evaluating that. But none
    of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together.

    Then you're going to abuse and off-track idiotic rant, again.
    Preventing any kind of communication with others.


    It's for sure nothing  but some idiotic rant to
    suggest that your bunch of idiots doesn't know
    everythibg about everything.
    For sure, suggesting there is something you don't
    know - immediately  prevents any kind of communication
    with you.

    You didn't suggest that there is something I don't know. What the
    Hell are you talking about ?

    "But none  of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together".
    That's the Hell what I'm talking about.
    That's what's driving you [...] mad.

    Not quite. Your ability to "put words together" is not very impressive

    Still - none of your idiot gurus had any
    real knowledge about the process.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 17:27:09 2024
    W dniu 29.10.2024 o 16:56, Python pisze:
    Le 29/10/2024 à 16:22, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 29.10.2024 o 14:10, Python pisze:
    Le 29/10/2024 à 07:47, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 22:41, Python pisze:

    At least - as long as
    its enthusiasts are evaluating that. But none
    of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together.

    Then you're going to abuse and off-track idiotic rant, again.
    Preventing any kind of communication with others.


    It's for sure nothing  but some idiotic rant to
    suggest that your bunch of idiots doesn't know
    everythibg about everything.
    For sure, suggesting there is something you don't
    know - immediately  prevents any kind of communication
    with you.

    You didn't suggest that there is something I don't know. What the
    Hell are you talking about ?

    "But none  of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together".
    That's the Hell what I'm talking about.
    That's what's driving you [...] mad.

    Not quite. Your ability to "put words together" is not very impressive

    Still -

    Certain. Glad that we agree on that.

    none  of [physicists] had any
    real knowledge about the process.

    This is your opinion. Mine is the opposite.


    Of course it is; you're such an idiot.
    Why would they do? Is "putting words
    together" a physical process?

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 19:49:41 2024
    Le 29/10/2024 à 17:27, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 29.10.2024 o 16:56, Python pisze:
    Le 29/10/2024 à 16:22, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 29.10.2024 o 14:10, Python pisze:
    Le 29/10/2024 à 07:47, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 22:41, Python pisze:

    At least - as long as
    its enthusiasts are evaluating that. But none
    of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together.

    Then you're going to abuse and off-track idiotic rant, again.
    Preventing any kind of communication with others.


    It's for sure nothing  but some idiotic rant to
    suggest that your bunch of idiots doesn't know
    everythibg about everything.
    For sure, suggesting there is something you don't
    know - immediately  prevents any kind of communication
    with you.

    You didn't suggest that there is something I don't know. What the
    Hell are you talking about ?

    "But none  of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together".
    That's the Hell what I'm talking about.
    That's what's driving you [...] mad.

    Not quite. Your ability to "put words together" is not very impressive

    Still -

    Certain. Glad that we agree on that.

    none  of [physicists] had any
    real knowledge about the process.

    This is your opinion. Mine is the opposite.


    Of course it is; you're such an idiot.
    Why would they do? Is "putting words
    together" a physical process?

    Listen Maciej: you do not deserve any answer given your abusive conduct.

    I was kind enough to point you to some works that may be in your line of reasoning, if ever you had one.

    You don't care, you won't check, you'll continue to post stupid rants
    every single early morning on Usenet until you'll die. With zero effect
    but boring people.

    This is your project in life. I wonder how it is possible to act that way.
    But I don't really care.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 22:26:31 2024
    W dniu 29.10.2024 o 20:49, Python pisze:
    Le 29/10/2024 à 17:27, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 29.10.2024 o 16:56, Python pisze:
    Le 29/10/2024 à 16:22, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 29.10.2024 o 14:10, Python pisze:
    Le 29/10/2024 à 07:47, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 22:41, Python pisze:

    At least - as long as
    its enthusiasts are evaluating that. But none
    of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together.

    Then you're going to abuse and off-track idiotic rant, again. >>>>>>>>> Preventing any kind of communication with others.


    It's for sure nothing  but some idiotic rant to
    suggest that your bunch of idiots doesn't know
    everythibg about everything.
    For sure, suggesting there is something you don't
    know - immediately  prevents any kind of communication
    with you.

    You didn't suggest that there is something I don't know. What the >>>>>>> Hell are you talking about ?

    "But none  of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together".
    That's the Hell what I'm talking about.
    That's what's driving you [...] mad.

    Not quite. Your ability to "put words together" is not very impressive >>>>
    Still -

    Certain. Glad that we agree on that.

    none  of [physicists] had any
    real knowledge about the process.

    This is your opinion. Mine is the opposite.


    Of course it is; you're such an idiot.
    Why would they do? Is "putting words
    together"  a physical process?

    Listen Maciej: you do not deserve any answer given your abusive conduct.

    Listen, Python: it's really funny when
    such a piece of abusive shit is talking
    about some "abusive conduct" of others.

    I was kind enough to

    to slander about my alleged bottles of vodka
    and nurses allegedly changing my shitty
    sheets.

    Nothing surprising, sure, that's what your
    shitty church is traininhg poor stinkers
    like you for.

    Changes nothing. Your church is not becoming
    "Humanity" just because its worshippers are
    saying so; the mumble of your idiot guru
    remains not even consistent, and nobody
    of you knows anything about what you're
    doing, how you're doing it and how it
    should be done.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 31 20:52:55 2024
    Le 29/10/2024 à 20:49, Python a écrit :
    Le 29/10/2024 à 17:27, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 29.10.2024 o 16:56, Python pisze:
    Le 29/10/2024 à 16:22, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 29.10.2024 o 14:10, Python pisze:
    Le 29/10/2024 à 07:47, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 22:41, Python pisze:

    At least - as long as
    its enthusiasts are evaluating that. But none
    of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together.

    Then you're going to abuse and off-track idiotic rant, again. >>>>>>>>> Preventing any kind of communication with others.


    It's for sure nothing  but some idiotic rant to
    suggest that your bunch of idiots doesn't know
    everythibg about everything.
    For sure, suggesting there is something you don't
    know - immediately  prevents any kind of communication
    with you.

    You didn't suggest that there is something I don't know. What the >>>>>>> Hell are you talking about ?

    "But none  of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together".
    That's the Hell what I'm talking about.
    That's what's driving you [...] mad.

    Not quite. Your ability to "put words together" is not very impressive >>>>
    Still -

    Certain. Glad that we agree on that.

    none  of [physicists] had any
    real knowledge about the process.

    This is your opinion. Mine is the opposite.


    Of course it is; you're such an idiot.
    Why would they do? Is "putting words
    together" a physical process?

    Listen Maciej: you do not deserve any answer given your abusive conduct.

    I was kind enough to point you to some works that may be in your line of reasoning, if ever you had one.

    You don't care, you won't check, you'll continue to post stupid rants every single early morning on Usenet until you'll die. With zero effect but boring people.

    This is your project in life. I wonder how it is possible to act that way. But I
    don't really care.

    Now reaction. How come? :-)

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 31 22:22:48 2024
    W dniu 31.10.2024 o 21:52, Python pisze:
    Le 29/10/2024 à 20:49, Python a écrit :
    Le 29/10/2024 à 17:27, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 29.10.2024 o 16:56, Python pisze:
    Le 29/10/2024 à 16:22, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 29.10.2024 o 14:10, Python pisze:
    Le 29/10/2024 à 07:47, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.10.2024 o 22:41, Python pisze:

    At least - as long as
    its enthusiasts are evaluating that. But none
    of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together.

    Then you're going to abuse and off-track idiotic rant, again. >>>>>>>>>> Preventing any kind of communication with others.


    It's for sure nothing  but some idiotic rant to
    suggest that your bunch of idiots doesn't know
    everythibg about everything.
    For sure, suggesting there is something you don't
    know - immediately  prevents any kind of communication
    with you.

    You didn't suggest that there is something I don't know. What
    the Hell are you talking about ?

    "But none  of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
    about the process of putting words together".
    That's the Hell what I'm talking about.
    That's what's driving you [...] mad.

    Not quite. Your ability to "put words together" is not very
    impressive

    Still -

    Certain. Glad that we agree on that.

    none  of [physicists] had any
    real knowledge about the process.

    This is your opinion. Mine is the opposite.


    Of course it is; you're such an idiot.
    Why would they do? Is "putting words
    together"  a physical process?

    Listen Maciej: you do not deserve any answer given your abusive conduct.

    I was kind enough to point you to some works that may be in your line
    of reasoning, if ever you had one.

    You don't care, you won't check, you'll continue to post stupid rants
    every single early morning on Usenet until you'll die. With zero
    effect but boring people.

    This is your project in life. I wonder how it is possible to act that
    way. But I don't really care.

    Now reaction. How come? :-)


    I've told you already, poor stinker.

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