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  • Re: Relativity and the nature of light. Waves or =?UTF-8?B?cGFydGljbGVz

    From Bertietaylor@21:1/5 to rhertz on Fri Oct 18 12:32:38 2024
    On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 20:52:20 +0000, rhertz wrote:

    This is a comparison of einstenian and newtonian kinematics. In the
    moving frame, the distance (0, x') is measured from an observer at the
    origin of the frame at rest.

    CASE: Light moving from 0 to x' in the moving frame.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Einstein SR. Light behave as wave, and c is the maximun speed.

    c (t₁ - t₀) = c Δt₁₀ = v Δt₁₀ + x' ; PERCEIVED by observer at rest (no
    speed addition).
    (c - v) Δt₁₀ = x' ; Δt₁₀ = x'/(c - v) ; Mathematical time dilation
    (by calculation).
    c Δτ₁₀ = c (τ₁ - τ₀) = x' ; Δτ₁₀ = x'/c ; MEASURED by observer in the
    moving frame

    Δt₁₀ and Δτ₁₀ are different and depend on the observer location.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Newton. Light behave as corpuscles (photons?). It's allowed c + v

    (c + v) Δt₁₀ = v Δt₁₀ + x' ; PERCEIVED by observer at rest (addition of
    velocities)
    (c + v) Δt₁₀ - v Δt₁₀ = x' ; Δt₁₀ = x'/c ; No time dilation (by
    calculation).
    c Δτ₁₀ = x' ; Δτ₁₀ = x'/c ; MEASURED by observer in the moving frame

    Δt₁₀ and Δτ₁₀ are equal for observers at rest or moving at v speed.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    In astronomy (Cassini, others), there are evidences that radar-ranging experiments with Venus and Mars, the speed of light is added to the
    speed v (between Earth and these planets). Known since 1965.

    That c+v is possible destroys relativity and cosmology, as Hubble's
    results have to be RE-INTERPRETED.

    It's hard for relativists to accept this, as 110 years of lies with einstenian physics COLLAPSE completely.

    A very thin vertical dipole with a ground plane behind it has a gain of
    12 db while as per math it should have 9db maximum.

    That is possible when aether is present such that a certain cross
    section provides the gain as is found from the aperture of a horn
    antenna.

    This proof of aether gets rid of quantum theory thus making light fully
    wave motion with aether as medium.

    Woof-woof

    Bertietaylor

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  • From LaurenceClarkCrossen@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 22 03:41:55 2024
    Mr. Hertz:

    "That c+v is possible destroys relativity and cosmology, as Hubble's
    results have to be RE-INTERPRETED."

    Light cannot behave as a particle in a medium such as the atmosphere
    because its speed is constrained to that of the medium like sound. It
    cannot act like a wave in a vacuum without a medium. Somehow, it must do
    both. That Sirius and the Sun are moving at 5.5 km/sec towards each
    other can only be known this way. When the light in space encounters interstellar gas, it is slowed to the speed of light in gas, forming compression waves saving the information of the relative motion of 5.5
    km/sec.

    Einstein's train and lightning experiment claiming the bolt ahead is
    seen simultaneously as the one behind is an irrational denial of
    relative motion. He presumes time dilation to conclude it in a
    surreptitious petitio principii.

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to LaurenceClarkCrossen on Mon Oct 21 22:27:01 2024
    LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:

    Mr. Hertz:

    "That c+v is possible destroys relativity and cosmology, as Hubble's
    results have to be RE-INTERPRETED."

    Light cannot behave as a particle in a medium such as the atmosphere
    because its speed is constrained to that of the medium like sound. It
    cannot act like a wave in a vacuum without a medium. Somehow, it must do both. That Sirius and the Sun are moving at 5.5 km/sec towards each
    other can only be known this way. When the light in space encounters interstellar gas, it is slowed to the speed of light in gas, forming compression waves saving the information of the relative motion of 5.5 km/sec.

    Einstein's train and lightning experiment claiming the bolt ahead is
    seen simultaneously as the one behind is an irrational denial of
    relative motion. He presumes time dilation to conclude it in a
    surreptitious petitio principii.

    Light is a particle.


    par-ti-cle


    Light doesn't wave.

    There are no light waves, only particles.

    Where do yous people get the idea that light is acts, or behaves. or pretends...that's it's a wave?



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    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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  • From LaurenceClarkCrossen@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 22 20:29:39 2024
    Richard Hachel: Re: "The two lightnings will be simultaneous for the
    station master, but ALSO for the traveler." Sound is constrained to one
    speed in the atmosphere. The person walking towards the ambulance will
    hear the siren at S + 3 mph. You are denying that. You are making an
    irrational denial of relative motion, as shown by the analogy to sound.

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  • From LaurenceClarkCrossen@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 22 20:23:03 2024
    Starmaker: Thank you. That's a very base and stalwart stance to take!

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  • From LaurenceClarkCrossen@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 03:52:49 2024
    Mr. Hertz: Everyone must be compelled to accept that light has a
    wave-particle duality, so it is impossible to understand it as one or
    the other. The speed of light in a vacuum would have to be added to the emitter, just as a particle would. It must form compression waves in a
    medium because it is constrained to the speed of the medium, such as air
    or intergalactic gas. As with sound, the speed of light must be combined
    with that of the observer as long as we are rational.

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  • From LaurenceClarkCrossen@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 18:42:58 2024
    R.H.: Re: "What is a "photon" really?

    It is an instantaneous transaction of a quantum of energy between an
    atomic source and an atomic receiver IN the receiver's frame of
    reference."

    I like the above description because the photon must have waves within
    itself.

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