• What Time Is It on the Moon?

    From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 8 09:16:36 2024
    https://www.wsj.com/science/space-astronomy/moon-time-nasa-mission-650b6c36?mod=hp_listb_pos1


    i should ask Maciej, he or she seems to be an expert on moon time.

    gps on the moon...

    TOMORROW THE MARS!!!!


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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Thu Aug 8 21:18:17 2024
    The Starmaker <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://www.wsj.com/science/space-astronomy/moon-time-nasa-mission-650b6c36?mo
    d=hp_listb_pos1

    Indeed, a good experiment, but hardly news.
    There is already an atomic clock (two even)
    on the GAIA sat, well beyond the moon at L2,
    which behaves as expected.

    The most pressing problem with it:
    what are they going to call the lunar equivalent of the geoid?
    The 'loonoid', perhaps?

    Jan

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  • From Tom Roberts@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Thu Aug 8 15:18:13 2024
    On 8/8/24 2:18 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    The most pressing problem with [lunar timing an location):
    what are they going to call the lunar equivalent of the geoid?
    The 'loonoid', perhaps?

    A more pressing problem is: which timezone(s) will be used?
    With a ~ 700-hour "day" it's not clear what to do....

    Tom Roberts

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Tom Roberts on Thu Aug 8 23:07:43 2024
    Tom Roberts <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 8/8/24 2:18 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    The most pressing problem with [lunar timing an location):
    what are they going to call the lunar equivalent of the geoid?
    The 'loonoid', perhaps?

    A more pressing problem is: which timezone(s) will be used?
    With a ~ 700-hour "day" it's not clear what to do....

    That has been solved for the time being: no time zones. [1]

    No leap seconds either, all clocks in space refer to TAI,
    or to coordinate times that are linked directly to TAI.
    (like TCB or TCG for example)

    Jan

    [1] IIRC Heinlein's Loonies have no time zones either.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 9 08:26:41 2024
    W dniu 08.08.2024 o 23:07, J. J. Lodder pisze:
    Tom Roberts <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 8/8/24 2:18 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    The most pressing problem with [lunar timing an location):
    what are they going to call the lunar equivalent of the geoid?
    The 'loonoid', perhaps?

    A more pressing problem is: which timezone(s) will be used?
    With a ~ 700-hour "day" it's not clear what to do....

    That has been solved for the time being: no time zones. [1]

    No leap seconds either, all clocks in space refer to TAI,
    or to coordinate times that are linked directly to TAI.

    Nobody wants your local time idiocy - even
    you yourself are not stupid enough.

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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 9 10:33:30 2024
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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 10 10:08:48 2024
    Am Donnerstag000008, 08.08.2024 um 22:18 schrieb Tom Roberts:
    On 8/8/24 2:18 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    The most pressing problem with [lunar timing an location):
    what are they going to call the lunar equivalent of the geoid?
    The 'loonoid', perhaps?

    A more pressing problem is: which timezone(s) will be used?
    With a ~ 700-hour "day" it's not clear what to do....

    Timezones have nothig to do with time.

    Timezones are used to make the numerical value of the time of the
    sunrise at least somehow equal for all places on the Earth' surface.

    As Moon is not located on Earth' surface, the man in the Moon has other
    worries than our time zones.

    Because the 'day' is quite long on the moon, the 'hours' could be as well.

    Or they use more 'hours' there, if they want to.

    But that isn't related to the nature of time, because the sunrise istn't
    time neither.

    TH

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to Thomas Heger on Sat Aug 10 10:27:25 2024
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    Am Donnerstag000008, 08.08.2024 um 22:18 schrieb Tom Roberts:
    On 8/8/24 2:18 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    The most pressing problem with [lunar timing an location):
    what are they going to call the lunar equivalent of the geoid?
    The 'loonoid', perhaps?

    A more pressing problem is: which timezone(s) will be used?
    With a ~ 700-hour "day" it's not clear what to do....

    Timezones have nothig to do with time.

    Timezones are used to make the numerical value of the time of the
    sunrise at least somehow equal for all places on the Earth' surface.

    As Moon is not located on Earth' surface, the man in the Moon has other worries than our time zones.

    Because the 'day' is quite long on the moon, the 'hours' could be as well.

    Or they use more 'hours' there, if they want to.

    But that isn't related to the nature of time, because the sunrise istn't
    time neither.

    TH


    If time is what a clock says, and the sun says it's sunrise on the sun
    clock, it's time is sunrise. Am I wrong?



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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sat Aug 10 22:02:54 2024
    The Starmaker <[email protected]> wrote:

    Thomas Heger wrote:

    Am Donnerstag000008, 08.08.2024 um 22:18 schrieb Tom Roberts:
    On 8/8/24 2:18 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    The most pressing problem with [lunar timing an location):
    what are they going to call the lunar equivalent of the geoid?
    The 'loonoid', perhaps?

    A more pressing problem is: which timezone(s) will be used?
    With a ~ 700-hour "day" it's not clear what to do....

    Timezones have nothig to do with time.

    Timezones are used to make the numerical value of the time of the
    sunrise at least somehow equal for all places on the Earth' surface.

    As Moon is not located on Earth' surface, the man in the Moon has other worries than our time zones.

    Because the 'day' is quite long on the moon, the 'hours' could be as well.

    Or they use more 'hours' there, if they want to.

    But that isn't related to the nature of time, because the sunrise istn't time neither.

    TH


    If time is what a clock says, and the sun says it's sunrise on the sun
    clock, it's time is sunrise. Am I wrong?

    What time is sunrise on the sun?

    Jan

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Sat Aug 10 22:26:09 2024
    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    The Starmaker <[email protected]> wrote:

    Thomas Heger wrote:

    Am Donnerstag000008, 08.08.2024 um 22:18 schrieb Tom Roberts:
    On 8/8/24 2:18 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    The most pressing problem with [lunar timing an location):
    what are they going to call the lunar equivalent of the geoid?
    The 'loonoid', perhaps?

    A more pressing problem is: which timezone(s) will be used?
    With a ~ 700-hour "day" it's not clear what to do....

    Timezones have nothig to do with time.

    Timezones are used to make the numerical value of the time of the
    sunrise at least somehow equal for all places on the Earth' surface.

    As Moon is not located on Earth' surface, the man in the Moon has other worries than our time zones.

    Because the 'day' is quite long on the moon, the 'hours' could be as well.

    Or they use more 'hours' there, if they want to.

    But that isn't related to the nature of time, because the sunrise istn't time neither.

    TH


    If time is what a clock says, and the sun says it's sunrise on the sun clock, it's time is sunrise. Am I wrong?

    What time is sunrise on the sun?

    Jan


    The sun clock sits on the earth not on the sun. They are called
    sun-clock sundial.



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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sat Aug 10 22:28:19 2024
    The Starmaker wrote:

    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    The Starmaker <[email protected]> wrote:

    Thomas Heger wrote:

    Am Donnerstag000008, 08.08.2024 um 22:18 schrieb Tom Roberts:
    On 8/8/24 2:18 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    The most pressing problem with [lunar timing an location):
    what are they going to call the lunar equivalent of the geoid?
    The 'loonoid', perhaps?

    A more pressing problem is: which timezone(s) will be used?
    With a ~ 700-hour "day" it's not clear what to do....

    Timezones have nothig to do with time.

    Timezones are used to make the numerical value of the time of the sunrise at least somehow equal for all places on the Earth' surface.

    As Moon is not located on Earth' surface, the man in the Moon has other worries than our time zones.

    Because the 'day' is quite long on the moon, the 'hours' could be as well.

    Or they use more 'hours' there, if they want to.

    But that isn't related to the nature of time, because the sunrise istn't
    time neither.

    TH


    If time is what a clock says, and the sun says it's sunrise on the sun clock, it's time is sunrise. Am I wrong?

    What time is sunrise on the sun?

    Jan

    The sun clock sits on the earth not on the sun. They are called
    sun-clock sundial.


    https://sunclock.net/


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