• Why Perpetual Motion Machines Never Work, Despite Centuries of Experime

    From Internetado@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 16 12:23:36 2024
    To: sci.misc
    According to the laws of physics - at least in simplified form - an
    object in motion will stay in motion, at least if no other forces act
    on it. That's all well and good in the realm of theory, but here in the
    complex reality of Earth, there always seems to be one force or another
    getting in the way. Not that this has ever completely shut down
    mankind's desire to build a perpetual-motion machine. According to
    Google Arts & Culture, that quest dates at least as far back as
    seventh-century India, where "the mathematician Brahmagupta, who wanted
    to represent the cyclical and eternal motion of the heavens, designed
    an overbalanced wheel whose rotation was powered by the flow of mercury
    inside its hollow spokes."

    More widely known is the successor design by Brahmagupta's
    twelfth-century countryman and colleague Bhāskara, who "altered the
    wheel design by giving the hollow spokes a curved shape, producing an asymmetrical course in constant imbalance." Despite this rendition's
    memorable elegance, it does not, like the earlier overbalanced wheel,
    actually keep on turning forever. To blame are the very same laws of
    physics that have dogged the subsequent 900 or so years of attempts to
    build perpetual-motion machines, which you can see briefly explained in
    the TED-Ed video above.

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    "Ideas for perpetual-motion machines all violate one or more
    fundamental laws of thermodynamics, the branch of physics that
    describes the relationship between different forms of energy," says the narrator. The first law holds that "energy can't be created or
    destroyed; you can't get out more energy than you put in." That alone
    would put an end to hopes for a "free" energy source of this kind. But
    even machines that just keep moving by themselves - much less useful,
    of course, but still scientifically earth-shattering - would eventually
    "have to create some extra energy to nudge the system past its stopping
    point, breaking the first law of thermodynamics."

    Whenever machines seem to overcome this problem, "in reality, they
    invariably turn out to be drawing energy from some external source." (Nineteenth-century America seems to have offered endless opportunities
    for engineering charlatanism of this kind, whose perpetrators made a
    habit of skipping town whenever their trickery was revealed, some
    obtaining patents and profits all the while). But even if the first law
    of thermodynamics didn't apply, there would remain the matter of the
    second, which dictates that "energy tends to spread out through
    processes like friction," thus "reducing the energy available to move
    the system itself, until the machine inevitably stopped." Hence the
    abandonment of interest in perpetual motion by such scientific minds as
    Galileo and Leonardo - who must also have understood that mankind would
    never fully relinquish the dream.


    https://www.openculture.com/2024/01/why-perpetual-motion-machines-never-work-despite-centuries-of-experiments.html
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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to Internetado on Tue Jan 16 15:45:49 2024
    On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 12:23:36 -0300
    "Internetado" <[email protected]> wrote:

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    [Ever turning Wheels]

    see Daedalus' devices

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daedalus_(fictional_inventor)



    https://www.openculture.com/2024/01/why-perpetual-motion-machines-never-work-despite-centuries-of-experiments.html
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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Thu Jan 18 18:14:50 2024
    On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 17:23:27 GMT
    Retrograde <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On 2024-01-16, Kerr-Mudd, John <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 12:23:36 -0300
    "Internetado" <[email protected]> wrote:

    Friction is a tough one to get over, it seems.

    Bit pointless quoting authors names without any text that they wrote, ISTM

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to John on Thu Jan 18 17:23:27 2024
    On 2024-01-16, Kerr-Mudd, John <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 12:23:36 -0300
    "Internetado" <[email protected]> wrote:

    Friction is a tough one to get over, it seems.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Feb 5 18:40:26 2024
    On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 17:23:27 GMT, Retrograde
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Friction is a tough one to get over, it seems.

    Did Voyager 1 slow down?

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