• Re: Relativism Killer

    From Merton Porokhovschikov@21:1/5 to Paul.B.Andersen on Fri Jul 11 14:48:58 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    Paul.B.Andersen wrote:

    The author is very confused about what "relativity" is,
    and when the very first statement in the paper is meaningless,
    the rest is bound to be nonsense.

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  • From Carlis Poplawski@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 12 11:43:34 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    Maciej Woźniak wrote:

    On 7/12/2025 11:41 AM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
    The "speed of light" is the speed measured by an observer, it is the
    speed relative to the observer.
    So how do you imagine that the speed relative to the observer could
    "include the speed of the observer"?
    What "speed of the observer" are you referring to?

    And speaking of measurements, poor trash:

    if a measurement of a property of an observed object gives a result
    different than the real value of the property, the measurement is
    a)valid b)erroneous c)UUUUUUU!!!UUUUUUU!!!!!!!!UUUUUUUUUUU!!!!! UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    PLONK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Which of the above is the correct ansswer taught by your idiotic
    religion?

    what's a "real value of a property" fucking stoopid. Go out buy a brain.

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  • From Tyronne Poshibalov@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Sat Jul 12 19:08:16 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    Paul.B.Andersen <[email protected]> wrote:
    Another quote:
    "5. Philosophical Reflection: The Death of the Observer
    The observer, within relativity, is always external.
    But at the speed of light, there is no outside.
    The act of observation merges with the act of being.
    Thus, relativism killer(1) does not just signify a broken formula,
    but a shift in ontological perspective I dare to say.
    It is where duality ends, and unity begins."

    I will leave to you to figure out why this is nonsense.

    Any physics paper that contains 'ontological perspective'
    can safely be thrown into the fire,

    from the point of view of physics, yes, but not otherwise. The inquirer
    aims to observe something which is not possibly observable, as observable
    by multiple observers same time, and processed locally by one observer,
    which clearly implies another domain, not palpable.

    good post, more like that.

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  • From Theryon Gorbunov-Posadov@21:1/5 to LaurenceClarkCrossen on Sat Jul 12 19:15:54 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:

    moving at different speeds relative to the source. Same for light.

    light is completely other domain entity, me frendo. Say, sound is matter
    waves, meanwhile light is something emitted from matter, waves or not.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Tyronne Poshibalov on Sat Jul 12 23:04:54 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    Tyronne Poshibalov <[email protected]> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    Paul.B.Andersen <[email protected]> wrote:
    Another quote:
    "5. Philosophical Reflection: The Death of the Observer
    The observer, within relativity, is always external.
    But at the speed of light, there is no outside.
    The act of observation merges with the act of being.
    Thus, relativism killer(1) does not just signify a broken formula,
    but a shift in ontological perspective I dare to say.
    It is where duality ends, and unity begins."

    I will leave to you to figure out why this is nonsense.

    Any physics paper that contains 'ontological perspective'
    can safely be thrown into the fire,

    from the point of view of physics, yes, but not otherwise. The inquirer
    aims to observe something which is not possibly observable, as observable
    by multiple observers same time, and processed locally by one observer,
    which clearly implies another domain, not palpable.

    good post, more like that.

    So as already said, nothing to do with physics,
    so not possibly a 'relativism killer'
    in a way that hat has anything to do with physics,
    and hence reality.

    If it applies to killing some kind of 'relativism'
    in some kind of philosophy I don't want to know about it,

    Jan
    (and it would off-topic here)

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Sun Jul 13 07:02:39 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    On 7/12/2025 11:04 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    So as already said, nothing to do with physics,
    so not possibly a 'relativism killer'
    in a way that hat has anything to do with physics,
    and hence reality.

    Your precious physics is no way the reality,
    it's a collection of delusions of a bunch
    of religious maniacs like yourself.

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  • From Bodie =?iso-8859-1?q?Wojew=F3dka?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 13 09:22:32 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    Maciej Woźniak wrote:

    On 7/12/2025 11:04 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    So as already said, nothing to do with physics, so not possibly a
    'relativism killer'
    in a way that hat has anything to do with physics,
    and hence reality.

    Your precious physics is no way the reality,
    it's a collection of delusions of a bunch of religious maniacs like
    yourself.

    my friend, please undrestand, the reality of this world is called
    physics. Want another approach, you have to leave this world. Also,
    physics includes chemistry and mathematics. When you build a bridge, you
    use logic and mathematics.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 13 12:25:56 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    On 7/13/2025 11:22 AM, Bodie Wojewódka wrote:
    Maciej Woźniak wrote:

    On 7/12/2025 11:04 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    So as already said, nothing to do with physics, so not possibly a
    'relativism killer'
    in a way that hat has anything to do with physics,
    and hence reality.

    Your precious physics is no way the reality,
    it's a collection of delusions of a bunch of religious maniacs like
    yourself.

    my friend, please undrestand, the reality of this world is called
    physics.

    I'm not your friend and the reality of
    this world is caled "reality of this
    world", not "physics". Physics is
    just a collection of delusions of
    some brainwashed morons; even a part
    of them is able to distinguish, BTW.

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  • From Tobe Schuhmacher@21:1/5 to Richard Hachel on Sun Jul 13 14:13:20 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    Richard Hachel wrote:

    Le 13/07/2025 à 14:02, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
    Den 12.07.2025 20:25, skrev LaurenceClarkCrossen:

    According to SR, the longitudinal Doppler shift is:
    D = √((1 − v/c)/(1 + v/c))
    where v is the relative speed source-observer.

    The word "longitudinal" is a bit misleading here.
    We should simply refer to the Doppler effect without specifying "longitudinal."
    Indeed, there is an additional internal Doppler effect in the equation.
    This internal Doppler effect is often replaced by the transverse Doppler effect, a term that is also very misleading.

    R.H.

    light not travels transverse, my friend. If scattered that's reflection
    still longitudinal.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 13 16:03:33 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    Le 13/07/2025 à 17:21, Richard Hachel a écrit :
    ... pour 80° des relativistes.

    80° Celsius ou Fahrenheit ?

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 13 15:21:07 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    Le 13/07/2025 à 16:13, Tobe Schuhmacher a écrit :
    Richard Hachel wrote:

    Le 13/07/2025 à 14:02, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
    Den 12.07.2025 20:25, skrev LaurenceClarkCrossen:

    According to SR, the longitudinal Doppler shift is:
    D = √((1 − v/c)/(1 + v/c))
    where v is the relative speed source-observer.

    The word "longitudinal" is a bit misleading here.
    We should simply refer to the Doppler effect without specifying
    "longitudinal."
    Indeed, there is an additional internal Doppler effect in the equation.
    This internal Doppler effect is often replaced by the transverse Doppler
    effect, a term that is also very misleading.

    R.H.

    light not travels transverse, my friend. If scattered that's reflection
    still longitudinal.

    Absolutely.

    Il y a un effet Doppler longitudinal.

    Mais avec un effet Doppler interne associé.

    Simplement cette notion "interne" semble incompréhensible pour 80° des relativistes.

    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 13 16:33:50 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    Le 13/07/2025 à 18:03, Python a écrit :
    Le 13/07/2025 à 17:21, Richard Hachel a écrit :
    ... pour 80° des relativistes.

    80° Celsius ou Fahrenheit ?

    Kelvin, évidemment.

    Soyons universel.

    R.H.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 14 08:22:22 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Sonntag000013, 13.07.2025 um 18:33 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 13/07/2025 à 18:03, Python a écrit :
    Le 13/07/2025 à 17:21, Richard Hachel  a écrit :
    ... pour 80° des relativistes.

    80° Celsius ou Fahrenheit ?

    Kelvin, évidemment.
    Soyons universel.

    Most likely % was actually meant, not degree.

    TH

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  • From Gordon Matsievsky@21:1/5 to Paul.B.Andersen on Tue Jul 15 20:49:55 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    Paul.B.Andersen wrote:

    > When will you ever bother to understand the criticisms before
    > replying?

    That would be when you begin to say something sensible.

    I am not holding my breath.

    please don't. The man don't undrestand the difference between EM and
    matter. It is a basic concept. Two different forms of Doppler shifts.

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