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Albert Einstein was the director, the producer and the screenwriter of the movie entitled "The Day The Earth Stood Still" 1951.

Of course Albert Einstein used a ghostwriter (which in those day that is what the 'communists' writers did)


Here is a link to the movie script:

https://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/the_day_the_earth_stood_still.html


Here is the full free movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh8P4MIaZBA

https://archive.org/details/The.Day.The.Earth.Stood.Still1951


First , where did the Albert Einstein get the idea of the title of the movie "The Day The Earth Stood Still" ????


Since Albert Einstein is the designer and architect of 'The Atomic Bomb', and launched The Manhattan Project,

Albert Einstein got the idea from an incident mentioned in the newspapers at his time:

"In support of this there are stories of the experiences of automobile drivers in the vicinity of Los Alamos.
According to these their radios and motors stopped suddenly at the same instant and after 15 or 20 minutes suddenly began to operate as usual."

https://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/09/20/worst-manhattan-project-leaks/ https://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/1944-Cleveland-Press-Forbidden-City.pdf


KLAATU
(after a moment,
quietly)
You see -- the electricity's been
neutralized -- all over the world.

The impact of this calm, quiet statement is shattering. Helen
stares at him awe-struck. Then she speaks numbly, almost
inaudibly.

HELEN
Bobby was telling the truth -- wasn't
he?

Klaatu stares at her evenly, as we--

DISSOLVE TO:

MED. SHOT - STREET

All vehicular traffic in the street is at a dead stop.
Automobiles, busses, trolley cars -- all are stalled. Drivers
and passengers are climbing out of the vehicles in utter
bewilderment. Except for the people, it is as though the
street had been frozen in motion.





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The Starmaker wrote:

Albert Einstein was the director, the producer and the screenwriter of the movie entitled "The Day The Earth Stood Still" 1951.

Of course Albert Einstein used a ghostwriter (which in those day that is what the 'communists' writers did)

Here is a link to the movie script:

https://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/the_day_the_earth_stood_still.html

Here is the full free movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh8P4MIaZBA

https://archive.org/details/The.Day.The.Earth.Stood.Still1951

First , where did the Albert Einstein get the idea of the title of the movie "The Day The Earth Stood Still" ????

Since Albert Einstein is the designer and architect of 'The Atomic Bomb', and launched The Manhattan Project,

Albert Einstein got the idea from an incident mentioned in the newspapers at his time:

"In support of this there are stories of the experiences of automobile drivers in the vicinity of Los Alamos.
According to these their radios and motors stopped suddenly at the same instant and after 15 or 20 minutes suddenly began to operate as usual."

https://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/09/20/worst-manhattan-project-leaks/ https://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/1944-Cleveland-Press-Forbidden-City.pdf

KLAATU
(after a moment,
quietly)
You see -- the electricity's been
neutralized -- all over the world.

The impact of this calm, quiet statement is shattering. Helen
stares at him awe-struck. Then she speaks numbly, almost
inaudibly.

HELEN
Bobby was telling the truth -- wasn't
he?

Klaatu stares at her evenly, as we--

DISSOLVE TO:

MED. SHOT - STREET

All vehicular traffic in the street is at a dead stop.
Automobiles, busses, trolley cars -- all are stalled. Drivers
and passengers are climbing out of the vehicles in utter
bewilderment. Except for the people, it is as though the
street had been frozen in motion.

Albert Einstein speaks through two characters, KLAATU and Proffesor
Bernhart





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The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Albert Einstein was the director, the producer and the screenwriter of the movie entitled "The Day The Earth Stood Still" 1951.

Of course Albert Einstein used a ghostwriter (which in those day that is what the 'communists' writers did)

Here is a link to the movie script:

https://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/the_day_the_earth_stood_still.html

Here is the full free movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh8P4MIaZBA

https://archive.org/details/The.Day.The.Earth.Stood.Still1951

First , where did the Albert Einstein get the idea of the title of the movie "The Day The Earth Stood Still" ????

Since Albert Einstein is the designer and architect of 'The Atomic Bomb', and launched The Manhattan Project,

Albert Einstein got the idea from an incident mentioned in the newspapers at his time:

"In support of this there are stories of the experiences of automobile drivers in the vicinity of Los Alamos.
According to these their radios and motors stopped suddenly at the same instant and after 15 or 20 minutes suddenly began to operate as usual."

https://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/09/20/worst-manhattan-project-leaks/ https://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/1944-Cleveland-Press-Forbidden-City.pdf

KLAATU
(after a moment,
quietly)
You see -- the electricity's been
neutralized -- all over the world.

The impact of this calm, quiet statement is shattering. Helen
stares at him awe-struck. Then she speaks numbly, almost
inaudibly.

HELEN
Bobby was telling the truth -- wasn't
he?

Klaatu stares at her evenly, as we--

DISSOLVE TO:

MED. SHOT - STREET

All vehicular traffic in the street is at a dead stop.
Automobiles, busses, trolley cars -- all are stalled. Drivers
and passengers are climbing out of the vehicles in utter
bewilderment. Except for the people, it is as though the
street had been frozen in motion.

Albert Einstein speaks through two characters, KLAATU and Proffesor
Bernhart

Second, what about "Klaatu barada nikto"? Where did that come from??

Everyone in the media already asked the 'listed' scriptwriter the question...and he has no answer for them!

Of course he has no answer...he didn't come up with it. You would have to ask Albert Einstein. He came up with it!




Professor Jacob Barnhardt, world-famous scientist
and Nobel Prize winner


Here are the links to Albert Einstein:

Professor

Jacob Barnhardt (Jacob is a Hebrew name)

Barnhardt ( Barnhardt is a German name)

Albert Einstein is Jewish and from Germany.

world-famous scientist (in the 50's that would be Einstein)

and Nobel Prize winner (Albert Einstein was a Nobel Prize winner)


and this is just the beginninng of the list! (besides that it's based on Albert Einstein,
the real Professor Bernhart, with that crazy hairdo)

"Klaatu barada nikto"????

Easy, it comes from Albert Einstein language...German!!!!


KLAATU means I'm the victory of the people in the German language.





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The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Albert Einstein was the director, the producer and the screenwriter of the movie entitled "The Day The Earth Stood Still" 1951.

Of course Albert Einstein used a ghostwriter (which in those day that is what the 'communists' writers did)

Here is a link to the movie script:

https://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/the_day_the_earth_stood_still.html

Here is the full free movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh8P4MIaZBA

https://archive.org/details/The.Day.The.Earth.Stood.Still1951

First , where did the Albert Einstein get the idea of the title of the movie "The Day The Earth Stood Still" ????

Since Albert Einstein is the designer and architect of 'The Atomic Bomb', and launched The Manhattan Project,

Albert Einstein got the idea from an incident mentioned in the newspapers at his time:

"In support of this there are stories of the experiences of automobile drivers in the vicinity of Los Alamos.
According to these their radios and motors stopped suddenly at the same instant and after 15 or 20 minutes suddenly began to operate as usual."

https://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/09/20/worst-manhattan-project-leaks/ https://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/1944-Cleveland-Press-Forbidden-City.pdf

KLAATU
(after a moment,
quietly)
You see -- the electricity's been
neutralized -- all over the world.

The impact of this calm, quiet statement is shattering. Helen
stares at him awe-struck. Then she speaks numbly, almost
inaudibly.

HELEN
Bobby was telling the truth -- wasn't
he?

Klaatu stares at her evenly, as we--

DISSOLVE TO:

MED. SHOT - STREET

All vehicular traffic in the street is at a dead stop.
Automobiles, busses, trolley cars -- all are stalled. Drivers
and passengers are climbing out of the vehicles in utter
bewilderment. Except for the people, it is as though the
street had been frozen in motion.

Albert Einstein speaks through two characters, KLAATU and Proffesor Bernhart

Second, what about "Klaatu barada nikto"? Where did that come from??

Everyone in the media already asked the 'listed' scriptwriter the question...and he has no answer for them!

Of course he has no answer...he didn't come up with it. You would have to ask Albert Einstein. He came up with it!

Professor Jacob Barnhardt, world-famous scientist
and Nobel Prize winner

Here are the links to Albert Einstein:

Professor

Jacob Barnhardt (Jacob is a Hebrew name)

Barnhardt ( Barnhardt is a German name)

Albert Einstein is Jewish and from Germany.

world-famous scientist (in the 50's that would be Einstein)

and Nobel Prize winner (Albert Einstein was a Nobel Prize winner)

and this is just the beginninng of the list! (besides that it's based on Albert Einstein,
the real Professor Bernhart, with that crazy hairdo)

"Klaatu barada nikto"????

Easy, it comes from Albert Einstein language...German!!!!

KLAATU means I'm the victory of the people in the German language.

Now, just reading or hearing KLAATU's dialogue you can tell it's Albert Einstein's voice that sending 'his message' through KLATU...


there is one scene where KLAATU tells the boy Bobby.."Remind me tomorrow
and I'll tell you about trains that run without tracks."
(in the movie, not in the script)

Did you know it was Albert Einstein that invented trains that don't need
tracks to run?

(reverse electromagnetism something like that)


I heard the chinks gots trains that don't need tracks...

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Am Montag000019, 19.05.2025 um 17:58 schrieb The Starmaker:

"Klaatu barada nikto"????

Easy, it comes from Albert Einstein language...German!!!!

KLAATU means I'm the victory of the people in the German language.

This is not German!

I have read, that this sentence means:

God will not destroy the Earth (possibly: this time?).

TH

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Thomas Heger wrote:

I have read, that this sentence means:

God will not destroy the Earth (possibly: this time?).

indeed; in relativity the US corporate media = CIA mouthpieces. Thus, you
may not discover the freaking relativity is wrong. Turn off your
television. You needed to do that for at least 40 years ago. Before the
illegal introduction of the raping capitalism in communist countries.

you want your fake printed money, now you eat the euro and the dollar fake printed money. Eat that. Just eat that.

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The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Albert Einstein was the director, the producer and the screenwriter of the movie entitled "The Day The Earth Stood Still" 1951.

Of course Albert Einstein used a ghostwriter (which in those day that is what the 'communists' writers did)

Here is a link to the movie script:

https://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/the_day_the_earth_stood_still.html

Here is the full free movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh8P4MIaZBA

https://archive.org/details/The.Day.The.Earth.Stood.Still1951

First , where did the Albert Einstein get the idea of the title of the movie "The Day The Earth Stood Still" ????

Since Albert Einstein is the designer and architect of 'The Atomic Bomb', and launched The Manhattan Project,

Albert Einstein got the idea from an incident mentioned in the newspapers at his time:

"In support of this there are stories of the experiences of automobile drivers in the vicinity of Los Alamos.
According to these their radios and motors stopped suddenly at the same instant and after 15 or 20 minutes suddenly began to operate as usual."

https://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/09/20/worst-manhattan-project-leaks/
https://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/1944-Cleveland-Press-Forbidden-City.pdf

KLAATU
(after a moment,
quietly)
You see -- the electricity's been
neutralized -- all over the world.

The impact of this calm, quiet statement is shattering. Helen
stares at him awe-struck. Then she speaks numbly, almost
inaudibly.

HELEN
Bobby was telling the truth -- wasn't
he?

Klaatu stares at her evenly, as we--

DISSOLVE TO:

MED. SHOT - STREET

All vehicular traffic in the street is at a dead stop.
Automobiles, busses, trolley cars -- all are stalled. Drivers
and passengers are climbing out of the vehicles in utter
bewilderment. Except for the people, it is as though the
street had been frozen in motion.

Albert Einstein speaks through two characters, KLAATU and Proffesor Bernhart

Second, what about "Klaatu barada nikto"? Where did that come from??

Everyone in the media already asked the 'listed' scriptwriter the question...and he has no answer for them!

Of course he has no answer...he didn't come up with it. You would have to ask Albert Einstein. He came up with it!

Professor Jacob Barnhardt, world-famous scientist
and Nobel Prize winner

Here are the links to Albert Einstein:

Professor

Jacob Barnhardt (Jacob is a Hebrew name)

Barnhardt ( Barnhardt is a German name)

Albert Einstein is Jewish and from Germany.

world-famous scientist (in the 50's that would be Einstein)

and Nobel Prize winner (Albert Einstein was a Nobel Prize winner)

and this is just the beginninng of the list! (besides that it's based on Albert Einstein,
the real Professor Bernhart, with that crazy hairdo)

"Klaatu barada nikto"????

Easy, it comes from Albert Einstein language...German!!!!

KLAATU means I'm the victory of the people in the German language.

Now, just reading or hearing KLAATU's dialogue you can tell it's Albert Einstein's voice that sending 'his message' through KLATU...

there is one scene where KLAATU tells the boy Bobby.."Remind me tomorrow
and I'll tell you about trains that run without tracks."
(in the movie, not in the script)

Did you know it was Albert Einstein that invented trains that don't need tracks to run?

(reverse electromagnetism something like that)

I heard the chinks gots trains that don't need tracks...

Now since KLAATU (Einstein's character) mentioned in 1951
trains that run without tracks" , it's up to you to figure who came out
with that idea first.

MAGLEV

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Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Montag000019, 19.05.2025 um 17:58 schrieb The Starmaker:

"Klaatu barada nikto"????

Easy, it comes from Albert Einstein language...German!!!!

KLAATU means I'm the victory of the people in the German language.

This is not German!

I have read, that this sentence means:

God will not destroy the Earth (possibly: this time?).

TH

You are not thinking like an einstein...Klaatu in German
is speled Klass or Klaus meaning as the charater is portrayed..."victory of the people".


Your comment "God will not destroy the Earth (possibly: this time?)." refers to the robot...GORT,
and GORT is meaning is GOD. and it is complete opposite! "He could destroy the Earth."

HELEN
Gort?
(puzzled)
But he's a robot. I mean -- without
you, what could he do?

KLAATU
(slowly)
There's no limit to what he could
do. He could destroy the Earth.
(with great urgency)
If anything should happen to me, you
must go to Gort. You must give him
this message: "Klaatu barada nikto."
Please repeat that.





I gave you the script, I gave you the movie...can yous not THINK foryourselvesalready!!!!!






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"On March 1, 1954, the United States carried out a disastrous hydrogen bomb test, code-named "Castle Bravo," on
Bikini Atoll in the Marshall Islands. Intended to be an explosion with a yield of six megatons, it turned out, due
to an error in calculation by the scientists involved, to be the largest nuclear explosion ever conducted by the United States,
amounting to fifteen megatons-one thou-sand times the explosive power of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima."


Trust the Math
Trust the Science and
they will blow up the Earth!

fuck it, right?

i mean, who gives a fuck, right?

i mean, fuck the people, right? who
needs fucking people anyway?


You want peace with Russia? BOMB THE FUCK OUT OF THEM!


dats Peace.


All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance





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The Starmaker wrote:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Montag000019, 19.05.2025 um 17:58 schrieb The Starmaker:

"Klaatu barada nikto"????

Easy, it comes from Albert Einstein language...German!!!!


KLAATU means I'm the victory of the people in the German language.

This is not German!

I have read, that this sentence means:

God will not destroy the Earth (possibly: this time?).

You are not thinking like an einstein...Klaatu in German

Not German. Estonian

https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=klaatu&op=translate

is speled Klass or Klaus meaning as the charater is portrayed..."victory of the people".

Not a variant of "Klaus"

I gave you the script, I gave you the movie...can yous not THINK foryourselvesalready!!!!!

Think on this

https://web.archive.org/web/20040628163125/http://www.dreamerwww.com/fanfilm/fanfilm2.htm
"The Language of Klaatu"

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Am Sonntag000025, 25.05.2025 um 07:56 schrieb Gronk:

The Starmaker wrote:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Montag000019, 19.05.2025 um 17:58 schrieb The Starmaker:

"Klaatu barada nikto"????

Easy, it comes from Albert Einstein language...German!!!!


KLAATU means I'm the victory of the people in the German language.

This is not German!

I have read, that this sentence means:

God will not destroy the Earth (possibly: this time?).

You are not thinking like an einstein...Klaatu in German

Not German. Estonian

https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=klaatu&op=translate

'Klaatu barada nikto"

Seems to be composed from three different Eastern European languages:

Klaatu is Estionian and means 'cloak'
barada is Russian and means 'nobody'
nikto is Slovak and means 'nobody'.

...

TH

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Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Sonntag000025, 25.05.2025 um 07:56 schrieb Gronk:

The Starmaker wrote:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Montag000019, 19.05.2025 um 17:58 schrieb The Starmaker:

"Klaatu barada nikto"????

Easy, it comes from Albert Einstein language...German!!!!


KLAATU means I'm the victory of the people in the German language.

This is not German!

I have read, that this sentence means:

God will not destroy the Earth (possibly: this time?).

You are not thinking like an einstein...Klaatu in German

Not German. Estonian

https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=klaatu&op=translate

'Klaatu barada nikto"

Seems to be composed from three different Eastern European languages:

Klaatu is Estionian and means 'cloak'
barada is Russian and means 'nobody'
nikto is Slovak and means 'nobody'.

...

TH

I'm surprised you didin't add it is also a name of a cat food brand in Afganastian!!!!



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Am Montag000026, 26.05.2025 um 19:47 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Sonntag000025, 25.05.2025 um 07:56 schrieb Gronk:

The Starmaker wrote:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Montag000019, 19.05.2025 um 17:58 schrieb The Starmaker:

"Klaatu barada nikto"????

Easy, it comes from Albert Einstein language...German!!!!


KLAATU means I'm the victory of the people in the German language.

This is not German!

I have read, that this sentence means:

God will not destroy the Earth (possibly: this time?).

You are not thinking like an einstein...Klaatu in German

Not German. Estonian

https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=klaatu&op=translate

'Klaatu barada nikto"

Seems to be composed from three different Eastern European languages:

Klaatu is Estionian and means 'cloak'
barada is Russian and means 'nobody'
nikto is Slovak and means 'nobody'.

...

TH

I'm surprised you didin't add it is also a name of a cat food brand in Afganastian!!!!

I have simply used 'google translator' and used the 'detect language'
function.

This is usually quite ok and certainly better than my own knowledge of
Eastern European languages.

I have actually some knowledge, but very little, since foreign languages
are not really 'my thing'.

I have tried Russian, Czechoslovakian, Hungarian, Lithuanian at some
times in the past, but with not very much success.

E.g. I can still decipher Cyrillic letters and know a few words in
Russian. But that's it.

I also have been in Lithuania and wanted to learn that language. But the
Baltic languages are REALLY hard to learn. (same with Hungarian).


TH

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Am Mittwoch000028, 28.05.2025 um 03:37 schrieb William Hyde:

KLAATU means I'm the victory of the people in the German language. >>>>>>>

This is not German!

I have read, that this sentence means:

God will not destroy the Earth (possibly: this time?).

You are not thinking like an einstein...Klaatu in German

Not German. Estonian

https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=klaatu&op=translate >>>>>

'Klaatu barada nikto"

Seems to be composed from three different Eastern European languages:

Klaatu is Estionian and means 'cloak'
barada is Russian and means 'nobody'
nikto is Slovak and means 'nobody'.

...

TH

I'm surprised you didin't add it is also a name of a cat food brand in
Afganastian!!!!

I have simply used 'google translator' and used the 'detect language'
function.

This is usually quite ok and certainly better than my own knowledge of
Eastern European languages.

I have actually some knowledge, but very little, since foreign
languages are not really 'my thing'.

I have tried Russian, Czechoslovakian, Hungarian, Lithuanian at some
times in the past, but with not very much success.

E.g. I can still decipher Cyrillic letters and know a few words in
Russian. But that's it.

I also have been in Lithuania and wanted to learn that language. But
the Baltic languages are REALLY hard to learn. (same with Hungarian).

They are reconstructing Prussian, so you will soon have four Baltic
languages to learn!

I'm actually living in the former capital of prussia and can assure you,
that Prussians speak German.


TH


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William Hyde wrote:

And I can assure you that the aboriginal Prussians did not speak German,
but Prussian, a language related to Lithuanian.

impossible; lithuanian is gay, a fag province territory of Greater Russia;

hopefully you soon will learn to speak proper modern Russian in Siberia, bulding icebreakers, infrastructures, nuclear power plants, you dirty
natzi pig.

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Am Donnerstag000029, 29.05.2025 um 09:15 schrieb Laron Todorovsky:

William Hyde wrote:

And I can assure you that the aboriginal Prussians did not speak German,
but Prussian, a language related to Lithuanian.

impossible; lithuanian is gay, a fag province territory of Greater Russia;

The Baltic states were at some times in the past colonies of the
'Germanic Order'.

Lithuania was also once a huge kingdom and ruled over a large part of
Eastern Europe.

The were also once a Polish province.

And they were once part of the Soviet Union.


The part with the communist era is generally in bad memories, because
the Baltic states suffered from enormous losses in Stalin's time.

E.g. Latvia lost 800.000 from a total population of 4 million in Siberia.

I can not assure, that this number is correct, but that was the number
they told me in Riga.

So we have a generally strong nationalism there and very strong
antipathy against Russia.


TH

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Am Mittwoch000028, 28.05.2025 um 23:11 schrieb William Hyde:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Mittwoch000028, 28.05.2025 um 03:37 schrieb William Hyde:

KLAATU means I'm the victory of the people in the German
language.

This is not German!

I have read, that this sentence means:

God will not destroy the Earth (possibly: this time?).

You are not thinking like an einstein...Klaatu in German

Not German. Estonian

https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=klaatu&op=translate >>>>>>>

'Klaatu barada nikto"

Seems to be composed from three different Eastern European languages: >>>>>>
Klaatu is Estionian and means 'cloak'
barada is Russian and means 'nobody'
nikto is Slovak and means 'nobody'.

...

TH

I'm surprised you didin't add it is also a name of a cat food brand in >>>>> Afganastian!!!!

I have simply used 'google translator' and used the 'detect
language' function.

This is usually quite ok and certainly better than my own knowledge
of Eastern European languages.

I have actually some knowledge, but very little, since foreign
languages are not really 'my thing'.

I have tried Russian, Czechoslovakian, Hungarian, Lithuanian at some
times in the past, but with not very much success.

E.g. I can still decipher Cyrillic letters and know a few words in
Russian. But that's it.

I also have been in Lithuania and wanted to learn that language. But
the Baltic languages are REALLY hard to learn. (same with Hungarian).

They are reconstructing Prussian, so you will soon have four Baltic
languages to learn!

I'm actually living in the former capital of prussia and can assure
you, that Prussians speak German.

I am talking, as I said above, about reconstructing Prussian, which
would be unnecessary if anyone spoke it today.

Ok, there was a language called 'Prussian' some time ago, which now has apparently vanished.

Well, that seems to be the fate of a large number of small languages
around the globe.

This has mainly to do with things like 'globalisation' or the internet.

Also mobility is much greater today than in ancient times. That's why
small languages are slowly fading away.

Sorry for that, but that's how this goes.

I think you are talking about Berlin, capital of Brandenburg-Prussia,
later shortened to "Prussia".  I am talking about the original Prussia, later known as "East Prussia".

Well, the former capital of East Prussia was 'Königsberg'.
But as far as I know, they spoke German there, too.

E.g. Emanuel Kant lived there and I know, that he spoke German.

They had a kind of accent an spoke a German dialect in East Prussia, but
that was still German.

Possibly much earlier, there was an ethnic group, which spoke 'Prussian'.

That is actually possible, even if I have never heard about this.

And I can assure you that the aboriginal Prussians did not speak German,
but Prussian, a language related to Lithuanian.

The descendants of those people now speak German, Polish, or in some
cases other languages, but there is a movement to revive the original
tongue, using old manuscripts as a start (the bible, I believe, was translated into Prussian).  Which was the basis of my quip, above.  I
don't actually expect that you will have to learn Prussian. Or that
anyone will.

It is an extremely obscure idea, to revitalise an old and vanished
language, to honor an ethnicity, which had also vanished.

See: there have be tons of wars in what today is Germany.

In the so called 30-yeas-war most of Prussia was depopulated.

Then there were WW1 and WW2 which depopulated East Prussia totally.

Later came polish and Russian people to East Prussia and the
Germans/Prussians went to Western Germany.

I know some decendents from these refugees and they all speak German and
have certainly no incentive to learn Prussian.

Germans who inhabited the region centuries later came to be called "Prussians", which was geographically but not ethnically correct, except
in as much as some of  them had ancestors who were aboriginal Prussians. This sense of the word "Prussian" dominates today to the extent that
most people do not know anything of the original Prussians.

This is a really weired idea and difficult to understand, because it
contains the word 'Prussian' with too many meanings.

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Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Mittwoch000028, 28.05.2025 um 23:11 schrieb William Hyde:

I am talking, as I said above, about reconstructing Prussian, which
would be unnecessary if anyone spoke it today.

Ok, there was a language called 'Prussian' some time ago, which now has apparently vanished.

because it never existed, you brainwashed fool. The TV programing works.

𝗧𝗵𝗲_𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗶𝗮𝗻_𝗽𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲_𝗮𝗿𝗲_𝗻𝗼𝘄_𝗺𝗼𝗯𝗶𝗹𝗶𝘇𝗶𝗻𝗴_𝘁𝗼_𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗸
𝗼𝗿_𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿_𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘀𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗽𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻_𝗼𝗳𝗳𝗶𝗰𝗲𝗿𝘀_𝘁𝗮𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴_𝘁𝗵𝗲_𝗺𝗲𝗻
https://www.bi%74%63%68%75te.com/video/8T0bxUXbjuWA

Uprising in Ukraine. The media won't show you this because it doesn't fit
the narrative. Ukrainians do not want more war.

Hope they castrate the traitors and send their balls to jewlensky

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Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Sonntag000025, 25.05.2025 um 07:56 schrieb Gronk:

The Starmaker wrote:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Montag000019, 19.05.2025 um 17:58 schrieb The Starmaker:

"Klaatu barada nikto"????

Easy, it comes from Albert Einstein language...German!!!!


KLAATU means I'm the victory of the people in the German language.

This is not German!

I have read, that this sentence means:

God will not destroy the Earth (possibly: this time?).

You are not thinking like an einstein...Klaatu in German

Not German. Estonian

https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=klaatu&op=translate

'Klaatu barada nikto"

Seems to be composed from three different Eastern European languages:

Klaatu is Estionian and means 'cloak'
barada is Russian and means 'nobody'
nikto is Slovak and means 'nobody'.

Not one of the German.

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Am Samstag000031, 31.05.2025 um 23:28 schrieb William Hyde:
...

E.g. Emanuel Kant lived there and I know, that he spoke German.

Kant may have had some Baltic ancestors on his father's side, but the
last known Prussian speakers date from more than a decade before his
birth.  And I have no reason to believe that his father spoke it.

Cornish died out (mostly) a bit later, in the late 1700s, but it has
been successfully revived, with many speakers today.

The difference being that the Cornish know  that they are Cornish, while most people with Old Prussian ancestry think of themselves as Germans,
Poles, or Lithuanians.

There is a line in "The Tin Drum" where in 1944 an East Prussian
resident says "We were here before the Germans or Russians".  Whether
that's a fabrication on Grass' part or such people existed I do not
know.  There is no indication that the character speaks Prussian, as far
as I can recall.

They had a kind of accent an spoke a German dialect in East Prussia,
but that was still German.

Possibly much earlier, there was an ethnic group, which spoke 'Prussian'.

That is actually possible, even if I have never heard about this.

Not possibly, certainly.

Have you heard of the Wends?  Founders of Berlin (well, sort of)? There
are still about 80,000 people, known nown as Sorbs, who speak the
language in Germany, mostly in Saxony and Brandenburg.

The name "Berlin" itself may come from an old Slavic word for "Swamp".

It seems that all European nations have these fascinating minorities somewhere, largely forgotten, sometimes even by their descendants.

I can assure you, that Wends and Sorbs are not forgotten!

Actually the Sorbs have a certain privileged status as a minority in
Germany.

It is of course well known, that the region of current Berlin and
Brandenburg was in former times the home of slavic people.

There is a village in southern Poland where the inhabitants speak an
unusual version of German.  Their ancestors arrived from the extreme
west of Germany hundreds of years ago and their original tongue was
strongly influenced by Dutch or perhaps Frisian.  Regrettably, I've lost the  reference I have for this.

Dutch is actually relatively close to German and could also be regarded
as proper English name for 'German'.

But the British used 'German' instead of 'Dutch' because 'Dutch' was
already in use for the language of the Netherlands.

'German' is mainly a misnomer, because the language is called 'Deutsch',
not 'German'.

'German' stems from ancient Rome and from the language 'Latin', which
the 'Germans' didn't speak.

The 'Germans' are in most cases also not descendents of the tribes,
which the Romans named 'Germanes', because those tribes settled mainly
in current Denmark.

It is an extremely obscure idea, to revitalise an old and vanished
language, to honor an ethnicity, which had also vanished.

It may seem obscure to you,but it's actually not that rare.  On the one
hand there's the desire to save languages that are nearly extinct, on
the other to revive languages that have only recently vanished.
Comparatively recently, that is.

Well, ok.

Sure, it can be a nice adventure, to revitalise an old language.

People do all sorts of strange things as a hobby, so why not 'revitalise Prussian'.

Though - and I cannot stress this enough - nobody has to learn these languages.  There is, however, a rock group in Lithuania which has taken
to singing some of its works in Prussian.

I'v been in Lithuania, but couldn't understand a word and would not
recognize, if a rock-band sings in Prussian.

(actually a few word were possible)

See: there have be tons of wars in what today is Germany.

In the so called 30-yeas-war most of Prussia was depopulated.

Actually East Prussia was relatively undamaged in the 30 years war
itself.  It was occupied by Sweden for most of it and saw little
fighting, compared to most of the rest of Germany.  The ruler of Brandenburg-Prussia tried his best to remain neutral in the war.

But the Great Northern War which followed a couple of generations later, together with the plague and famine that came with it, killed about 30%
of the population.  It was about this time that the last Old Prussian speakers vanished.

Sure.

Prussia had a particularily bad fate.

But these people were smart...


TH

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On 31/5/25 21:55, Governor Swill wrote:

This has mainly to do with things like 'globalisation' or the internet.

Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before globalization.
Conquest, military and non military can wipe out small languages.
Cultures can be absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a language. Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine. There are a few common
second languages today. English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Italian
and lately Chinese.

Also mobility is much greater today than in ancient times. That's why
small languages are slowly fading away.

Yep.

The story is from the boot if Italy to Nice, each village could
communicate with adjacent villages. There was no one spot it
switched between Italian and French. Once they drew a border with
Italy on one side and France on the other, language and other
customs diverge. It is modern nationalism where governments want
people to belong to them based on where they drew lines.

It is why Balkans have such a problem. Walk along a road and one
family is Bosnian, the next is Serbian, then Bosnian. People of
different 'nations' are so thoroughly mixed, you cannot draw
lines without separating families or merging enemies.

Young kids get frisky and do not always pay attention to what
nation they are expected to fall in live with.

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Thomas Heger wrote:

The 'Germans' are in most cases also not descendents of the tribes,
which the Romans named 'Germanes', because those tribes settled mainly
in current Denmark.

nonsense, gearmons are stinking ukrans trying to speak engilsh. That
region, you all are khazar goys refugees, trying to speak engilsh. That's
why you want more land to steal. That's why ZOG. That's why all the
fucking EU is purely khazar goy ZOG. Look on a map and read history, to undrestand more.

The North Atlantic Terrorist Organization started putting bombs in trains
in Italy, Tuscany and Emilia Romagna precisely, back in the seventies, provoking hundreds of innocent people deaths. Fifty years later times have changed, but the terrorist nature of the Western nazi-fascist globalist
mob is just the same. Blowing up other countries energy pipelines at the
bottom of the seas.

This has British SAS fingerprints all over it ! —> The Brits are pure
filth; everyone knows this. Russia needs to attack London in some way. Yes
it will mean escalation, but the Brits will back down in short order. The Americans will NOT take on the Russians for the British. Besides, the
Yanks do not have the capability; they’re too feeble; the Houthi’s destroyed them (a bunch of camel jockeys wearing dresses & sandals).

Russia led by coward Putin who wants to please Stupid Trump are facing embarrassment in world public opinion because they failed to totally
destroy the satanic neo Nazi Zelensatan and his western supporters in
Ukraine.

the putins are just like Iran, they are doing nothing. Traitors. A poor
country like Yemen is doing everything.

https://www.rt.com/russia/618432-ukraine-terrorist-enclave-train-sabotage/

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The Starmaker wrote:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Sonntag000025, 25.05.2025 um 07:56 schrieb Gronk:

I'm surprised you didin't add it is also a name of a cat food brand in Afganastian!!!!

It is? Cite?

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Am Sonntag000001, 01.06.2025 um 09:26 schrieb Siri Cruz:

On 31/5/25 21:55, Governor Swill wrote:

This has mainly to do with things like 'globalisation' or the internet.

Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before globalization.
Conquest, military and non military can wipe out small languages.
Cultures can be absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a language.
Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine. There are a few common
second languages today.  English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Italian
and lately Chinese.

Also mobility is much greater today than in ancient times. That's why
small languages are slowly fading away.

Yep.

The story is from the boot if Italy to Nice, each village could
communicate with adjacent villages. There was no one spot it switched
between Italian and French. Once they drew a border with Italy on one
side and France on the other, language and other customs diverge. It is modern nationalism where governments want people to belong to them based
on where they drew lines.

This was very similar in central Europe.

East of the river 'Elbe' there was a region, where people spoke slavic languages.

This is actually a huge family of relatively closely related languages.

It started with Prussians, Sorbs and Wends in the West and went on to
Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Belarus and Russia.

They all spoke languages, which had gradually changed from West to East,
but belonged to the same family of languages.

It was much later, that nations were created and languages 'nationalized'.

So, in a way, the people of central Europe were a mixture of all sorts
of people from all over the place and not an ethnic or political nation.

It is why Balkans have such a problem. Walk along a road and one family
is Bosnian, the next is Serbian, then Bosnian. People of different
'nations' are so thoroughly mixed, you cannot draw lines without
separating families or merging enemies.

These families were once all Yugoslavians, and it would have been much
better, if they stayed Yugoslavians.

TH

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Am Sonntag000001, 01.06.2025 um 23:57 schrieb William Hyde:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Samstag000031, 31.05.2025 um 23:28 schrieb William Hyde:

Dutch is actually relatively close to German

Indeed.  When in the Netherlands I found that my knowledge of English, combined with the decayed remnants of my German, allowed me to read most signage.   After a week or two I was able to read more complex inscriptions.

I got through a page of "The Lord of the Rings" in Norwegian by similar means, though it probably helped that I'd already read it in English.

and could also be regarded

as proper English name for 'German'.

It's an odd situation.

The English name you after one group mentioned by the Romans, the French after another, but the actual descendants of the Romans at least make a
stab at the right name.

The Irish use the same group as the English, but the Welsh follow the
French model, as do the Spanish.

You have the same situation as Greece, which foreigners have been
misnaming since 500 BC.  And of course there are more such examples.

But the British

Not all the British, see above.

 used 'German' instead of 'Dutch' because 'Dutch' was

already in use for the language of the Netherlands.

I wish I could believe they were  that rational, but I doubt it.

I can find no Anglo-Saxon word for "Germany".  They had words for
various tribes, for the Franks and the Burgundians, and "Denmark" was a
word, but no word for the lands where German speaking people lived.
Perhaps they just called it "the old country".

There was no country at that time, where all German speakers lived.

German was actually a language, which was spoken in many areas of Europe
and possibly beyond.

Modern Germany was founded in 1871 and was created by fusing together
about 1000 different mainly tiny entities.

Prior to that year there was no Germany and certainly also not at the
times of the Anglo-Saxons.

So, the Anglo-Saxons had no need to name a country, which didn't exist.

French took the 'Alemanes', which were a people or tribe, which possibly
stem from the south-west of Europe and settled in the south-west of Germany.

Romans used a general term (like in many other cases), and called all
the people from the North of the limes 'Germanes'.

This word was, of course, not used by the 'Germanes', who also didn't
call their country 'Germany' (which, btw, hadn't existed at that time).

So by the time the English felt the need for a word describing the area,
they probably just went with the Latin, the more so as most literate
people at the time were in the church.

English is (in my opinion) actually closer related to Latin than current Italian.

(possibly all the Romans went to England)



TH

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Am Dienstag000003, 03.06.2025 um 00:49 schrieb William Hyde:
...

The English name you after one group mentioned by the Romans, the
French after another, but the actual descendants of the Romans at
least make a stab at the right name.

The Irish use the same group as the English, but the Welsh follow the
French model, as do the Spanish.

You have the same situation as Greece, which foreigners have been
misnaming since 500 BC.  And of course there are more such examples.

;
But the British

Not all the British, see above.

  used 'German' instead of 'Dutch' because 'Dutch' was

already in use for the language of the Netherlands.

I wish I could believe they were  that rational, but I doubt it.

I can find no Anglo-Saxon word for "Germany".  They had words for
various tribes, for the Franks and the Burgundians, and "Denmark" was
a word, but no word for the lands where German speaking people lived.
Perhaps they just called it "the old country".

There was no country at that time, where all German speakers lived.

German was actually a language, which was spoken in many areas of
Europe and possibly beyond.

Modern Germany was founded in 1871 and was created by fusing together
about 1000 different mainly tiny entities.

Prior to that year there was no Germany and certainly also not at the
times of the Anglo-Saxons.

So, the Anglo-Saxons had no need to name a country, which didn't exist.

Actually the "Kingdom of Germany" dates from the breakup of
Charlemagne's empire, formed in the Treaty of Verdun in 843.  It was
later absorbed into the Holy Roman Empire, which was later renamed
(circa 1500) "The Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation". Which I
presume is why the 1871 state was the second empire.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regnum_Teutonicum

The 'Regnum Teutonicum' was obviously named after the Teutons.

This was a people who lived in the norther region of Denmark and do not
belong to the set of people, which build the population of present day
Germany.

Actually all the tribes, which were called 'Germanes' by the Romans,
stem from the regions, which belonged to Denmark.

Naturally, the word used for "German" in the above varies from place to
place - wikipedia is helpful here, giving:

"The Kingdom of Germany or German Kingdom (Latin: regnum Teutonicorum 'kingdom of the Germans', regnum Teutonicum 'German kingdom',[1] regnum Alamanie "kingdom of Germany",[2] German: Deutsches Königreich)"

so the Anglo-Saxons really did need a name, and they went with Caesar's version.

'Angeln' is the name of a region in the north of Schleswig Holstein,
which was a part of Denmark, too. That was the region, were the
Anglo-Saxons came from.

The German state 'Sachsen' is in no way related to Saxons, because 'Sax'
was the name of an ancient weapon (kind of ax).

These Anglo-Saxons settled also in 'Niedersachsen', but most likely
didn't speak German or called themselves 'Germanes'.

So, why should they call their kingdom 'Germany'?

French took the 'Alemanes', which were a people or tribe, which
possibly stem from the south-west of Europe and settled in the south-
west of Germany.

Romans used a general term (like in many other cases), and called all
the people from the North of the limes 'Germanes'.

This word was, of course, not used by the 'Germanes', who also didn't
call their country 'Germany' (which, btw, hadn't existed at that time).

So by the time the English felt the need for a word describing the
area, they probably just went with the Latin, the more so as most
literate people at the time were in the church.

English is (in my opinion) actually closer related to Latin than
current Italian.

"This is not true".

"I do not believe this"

"This is not the case".

Only the  third of these remarks has a word arising from Latin.

I have learned two languages in school (English and Latin), but tried to
learn a few more.

Among this was actually Italian.

To my great surprise, the knowledge of Latin didn't make it easier to
learn Italian.

Instead I could see more similarities in the English language to Latin
(for whatever reason).

Possibly the Romans went to England and lived there for some time (after
the destruction of Rome).

...

TH

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Am Dienstag000003, 03.06.2025 um 12:17 schrieb Governor Swill:

On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 18:49:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <[email protected]>
wrote:

Am Sonntag000001, 01.06.2025 um 23:57 schrieb William Hyde:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Samstag000031, 31.05.2025 um 23:28 schrieb William Hyde:


Dutch is actually relatively close to German

Indeed.  When in the Netherlands I found that my knowledge of English,
combined with the decayed remnants of my German, allowed me to read most >>> signage.   After a week or two I was able to read more complex
inscriptions.

I got through a page of "The Lord of the Rings" in Norwegian by similar
means, though it probably helped that I'd already read it in English.

and could also be regarded

as proper English name for 'German'.

It's an odd situation.


The English name you after one group mentioned by the Romans, the French >>> after another, but the actual descendants of the Romans at least make a
stab at the right name.

The Irish use the same group as the English, but the Welsh follow the
French model, as do the Spanish.

You have the same situation as Greece, which foreigners have been
misnaming since 500 BC.  And of course there are more such examples.

>
> But the British

Not all the British, see above.

 used 'German' instead of 'Dutch' because 'Dutch' was
> already in use for the language of the Netherlands.

I wish I could believe they were  that rational, but I doubt it.

I can find no Anglo-Saxon word for "Germany".  They had words for
various tribes, for the Franks and the Burgundians, and "Denmark" was a
word, but no word for the lands where German speaking people lived.
Perhaps they just called it "the old country".

There was no country at that time, where all German speakers lived.

German was actually a language, which was spoken in many areas of Europe
and possibly beyond.

Modern Germany was founded in 1871 and was created by fusing together
about 1000 different mainly tiny entities.

Prior to that year there was no Germany and certainly also not at the
times of the Anglo-Saxons.

So, the Anglo-Saxons had no need to name a country, which didn't exist.

Angles - Angle land - England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angeln

This is a peninsula in (now) northern Germany, which formerly belonged
to Denmark.

In ancient time this was Denmark, since Schleswig Holstein was part of
Denmark until the:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Schleswig_War

So, the people of Schleswig Holstein are more blond and blue-eyed then
usual Germans and belong to the Scandinavian type and speak to some
parts also Danish.

This is, because that region was for the most parts of modern history a
part of Denmark.

So 'angles' were actually Wikings and Danish people.

This was also the case for Cimbern and Teutones.


Germany ended in the North in Hamburg at that time (even if Germany was
founded a little later).

Today this is all different and that had to do with an earlier and
devastating war, called 'Great Northern War':

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Northern_War

This war is actually important today, because in a way Vladimir Putin is influenced by that war and apparently tries to continue that war today.

That is quite an idiotic concept, but nevertheless seems to be the
motivation of the Russians.


...


TH

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Am Dienstag000003, 03.06.2025 um 20:41 schrieb William Hyde:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Dienstag000003, 03.06.2025 um 00:49 schrieb William Hyde:
...

The English name you after one group mentioned by the Romans, the
French after another, but the actual descendants of the Romans at
least make a stab at the right name.

The Irish use the same group as the English, but the Welsh follow
the French model, as do the Spanish.

You have the same situation as Greece, which foreigners have been
misnaming since 500 BC.  And of course there are more such examples. >>>>>

;
But the British

Not all the British, see above.

  used 'German' instead of 'Dutch' because 'Dutch' was

already in use for the language of the Netherlands.

I wish I could believe they were  that rational, but I doubt it.

I can find no Anglo-Saxon word for "Germany".  They had words for
various tribes, for the Franks and the Burgundians, and "Denmark"
was a word, but no word for the lands where German speaking people
lived. Perhaps they just called it "the old country".

There was no country at that time, where all German speakers lived.

German was actually a language, which was spoken in many areas of
Europe and possibly beyond.

Modern Germany was founded in 1871 and was created by fusing
together about 1000 different mainly tiny entities.

Prior to that year there was no Germany and certainly also not at
the times of the Anglo-Saxons.

;
So, the Anglo-Saxons had no need to name a country, which didn't

exist.

;

Actually the "Kingdom of Germany" dates from the breakup of
Charlemagne's empire, formed in the Treaty of Verdun in 843.  It was
later absorbed into the Holy Roman Empire, which was later renamed
(circa 1500) "The Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation". Which I
presume is why the 1871 state was the second empire.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regnum_Teutonicum

The 'Regnum Teutonicum' was obviously named after the Teutons.

This was a people who lived in the norther region of Denmark and do
not belong to the set of people, which build the population of present
day Germany.

Actually all the tribes, which were called 'Germanes' by the Romans,
stem from the regions, which belonged to Denmark.

Naturally, the word used for "German" in the above varies from place
to place - wikipedia is helpful here, giving:

"The Kingdom of Germany or German Kingdom (Latin: regnum Teutonicorum
'kingdom of the Germans', regnum Teutonicum 'German kingdom',[1]
regnum Alamanie "kingdom of Germany",[2] German: Deutsches Königreich)" >>>
so the Anglo-Saxons really did need a name, and they went with
Caesar's version.

'Angeln' is the name of a region in the north of Schleswig Holstein,
which was a part of Denmark, too. That was the region, were the Anglo-
Saxons came from.

The German state 'Sachsen' is in no way related to Saxons, because
'Sax' was the name of an ancient weapon (kind of ax).

These Anglo-Saxons  settled also in 'Niedersachsen', but most likely
didn't speak German or called themselves 'Germanes'.

So, why should they call their kingdom 'Germany'?

My point is that circa 850 the Anglo-Saxons in England needed a name for
this new kingdom.  Ango-Saxon missionaries, active in Germany at the
time, would have been well aware that the word "German" was not in use there.  But as Latin speakers they probably went with the Latin example,
and used "Germania".  Which was easy to remember because every Latin
speaker had read Caesar's memoirs.

Irish missionaries were also prominent in Germany (in fact Rome
commanded Anglo-Saxon missionaries to go to Germany specifically to
counter the Irish, who were regarded as heretical - how times change),
and it seems that they, too, went with the Latin example.

Which was actually correct, because tribes named 'Germanes' were
actually Scandinavians.

Modern Germany is not part of scandinavia, but south and occupies a part
of Central Europe.

So, 'Germanic' is an atribute belonging to certain tribes, who settled
in southern Scandinavia and northern Germany.

Those scandinavians were predominately blond, while Germans were not.

The confusion stems from the use of the Roman term 'Germanes', which was
used indicriminately for all northern people by the Romans.

Better would be to concentrate on ethnicity, culture and languages.

The language in Germany is called 'Deutsch' and the language is quite
different to what Danes speak.

So: 'Mare Germanicum' (for 'North Sea') means actually 'Danish Sea' and
not 'German Sea'.

Also Wikings and (Anglo-) Saxons were not really German tribes, because
this country is named after the language 'Deutsch' and the Wikinigs
spoke most likely Danish.

It is notable that the Welsh, an independent people, disagreed.

There are certainly many issues like this. But it would be certainly
misleading to discuss thoses issues here, too.
...


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Governor Swill wrote:> On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:41:43 +0200, Thomas Heger <[email protected]>

Am Mittwoch000028, 28.05.2025 um 23:11 schrieb William Hyde:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Mittwoch000028, 28.05.2025 um 03:37 schrieb William Hyde:

They are reconstructing Prussian, so you will soon have four Baltic
languages to learn!

I'm actually living in the former capital of prussia and can assure
you, that Prussians speak German.

I am talking, as I said above, about reconstructing Prussian, which
would be unnecessary if anyone spoke it today.

Ok, there was a language called 'Prussian' some time ago, which now has
apparently vanished.

Well, that seems to be the fate of a large number of small languages
around the globe.

This has mainly to do with things like 'globalisation' or the internet.

Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before globalization.
Conquest, military and non military can wipe out small languages.
Cultures can be absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a language. Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine. There are a few common
second languages today. English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Italian
and lately Chinese.

Globalisation has a more economic oriented definition.
But it works here to have as a handle. You kinda have
to go back to the days of colonization to really see
this and its long term effects. Peoples were subjugated
and since the speakers of a language were often small in
number it didn't take much to put a language on the
skids. (Prussian speakers probably weren't small in
number, though.)

The internet doesn't have much to do with the
disappearance of a language. Forms of mass
communication, specifically something like radio
and then movies and tv, can have and did have
a tremendous impact. They brought a dominant
(and uniform) language into (remote) places with
little effort. This can't be undersestimated. Even
regional accents are disappearing.

Also mobility is much greater today than in ancient times. That's why
small languages are slowly fading away.

Yep.

Mobility also has little to do with this process
unless you count the mobility of an incoming
people/culture. Historically if a language is
dying out its because it pool of speakers is
smaller and that's where the absorbation effects
show. Conquered, IOW...

Reconstructing Prussian? Hmmm, youtube has some stuff
purporting to be Prussian. Odd sound.

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Governor Swill wrote:

On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 00:03:26 -0600, Gronk wrote:

The internet doesn't have much to do with the
disappearance of a language. Forms of mass
communication, specifically something like radio
and then movies and tv, can have and did have
a tremendous impact. They brought a dominant
(and uniform) language into (remote) places with
little effort. This can't be undersestimated. Even
regional accents are disappearing.

That bit is thanks to movies, radio and TV. A version of any given
language, a standard, that is understandable to all speakers must be
used.

https://www.axios.com/local/richmond/2025/05/16/southern-accent-decline-virginia-research

News readers usually speak American standard.

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Am Freitag000006, 06.06.2025 um 08:03 schrieb Gronk:

Governor Swill wrote:> On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:41:43 +0200, Thomas Heger <[email protected]>

Am Mittwoch000028, 28.05.2025 um 23:11 schrieb William Hyde:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Mittwoch000028, 28.05.2025 um 03:37 schrieb William Hyde:

They are reconstructing Prussian, so you will soon have four Baltic
languages to learn!

I'm actually living in the former capital of prussia and can assure
you, that Prussians speak German.

I am talking, as I said above, about reconstructing Prussian, which
would be unnecessary if anyone spoke it today.

Ok, there was a language called 'Prussian' some time ago, which now has
apparently vanished.

Well, that seems to be the fate of a large number of small languages
around the globe.

This has mainly to do with things like 'globalisation' or the internet.

Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before globalization.
Conquest, military and non military can wipe out small languages.
Cultures can be absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a language. Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine. There are a few common second languages today.  English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Italian
and lately Chinese.

German was actually a 'lingua franca', too.


Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for fun.

Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they like to
call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called 'grammar', hence
the language has a lack of possibility to express certain subtle ideas.


English has disadvantages, too, but which are quite irrelevant for most speakers of English as a second language:

English has an insane amout of diffent words (~one million)

English has also a number of totally illogic rules and special cases.


German has also disadvantages, as it doesn't sound good and has a
complicated grammar.


Japanese is way too difficult to learn and also based on writing in symbols.


Italian and French sound nice, but that's almost all they are better
for. Especially writing is difficult in French.


Spanish is actually ok in most aspects and relatively easy to learn.

But the best alternative is 'simplified standard English', which has few special rules and much less words (compared to what the British
upperclass speaks).
...


TH

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On 8/6/25 22:04, Thomas Heger wrote:

English has disadvantages, too, but which are quite irrelevant
for most speakers of English as a second language:

English has an insane amout of diffent words (~one million)

English has also a number of totally illogic rules and special
cases.

It appears all languages are equally complex among thew
phonology, lexicon, syntax, and morphology. Possibly excepting
the first few generation of a creole.

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On 10/6/25 3:56, Governor Swill wrote:

This is largely because English comes from the same Indo European
branch as German but is heavily modified by the Romance languagues, especially French. Owing to the Conquest, a huge number of Old
French words entered common usage in England, often delineating class.
For example, Britons ate pigs, but the French conquerors served it
with fine wine and called it pork.

Modern English spelling is mostly Old English words with Old
French spelling which ignores a Middle English vowel shift.

Latin and Greek borrowings retain their original spelling
contrary to English spelling.

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Am Dienstag000010, 10.06.2025 um 12:56 schrieb Governor Swill:

On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 07:04:30 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000006, 06.06.2025 um 08:03 schrieb Gronk:

Governor Swill wrote:> On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:41:43 +0200, Thomas Heger

<snip>

> Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before globalization.
> Conquest, military and non military can wipe out small languages.
> Cultures can be absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a language. >>> > Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine. There are a few common >>> > second languages today.  English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Italian >>> > and lately Chinese.

German was actually a 'lingua franca', too.


Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for fun.

Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they like to
call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called 'grammar', hence
the language has a lack of possibility to express certain subtle ideas.

English is quite common in Asia. In photos of cities English signs
can often be seen and not all are 'brand names'.

Sure.

But that 'English' isn't the language of the British Islands.


The problem is, that the iternal logic of Chinese makes Chinese speakers
almost certainly bad speakers of English.

This is why many 'English manuals' of products from China are more funny
than useful.

English has disadvantages, too, but which are quite irrelevant for most
speakers of English as a second language:

English has an insane amout of diffent words (~one million)

English has also a number of totally illogic rules and special cases.

This is largely because English comes from the same Indo European
branch as German but is heavily modified by the Romance languagues, especially French. Owing to the Conquest, a huge number of Old
French words entered common usage in England, often delineating class.
For example, Britons ate pigs, but the French conquerors served it
with fine wine and called it pork.

English had a HUGE number of ancestors, who had left their marks in the
English language.

Keltic languages
Latin
Danish
French
German
Dutch
Hindi
Kisuaheli
...

TH

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Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Dienstag000010, 10.06.2025 um 12:56 schrieb Governor Swill:

On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 07:04:30 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000006, 06.06.2025 um 08:03 schrieb Gronk:

Governor Swill wrote:> On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:41:43 +0200, Thomas Heger

<snip>

> Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before globalization.
> Conquest, military and non military can wipe out small languages.
> Cultures can be absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a language.
> Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine. There are a few common >>> > second languages today.� English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Italian >>> > and lately Chinese.

German was actually a 'lingua franca', too.


Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for fun.

Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they like to
call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called 'grammar', hence
the language has a lack of possibility to express certain subtle ideas.

English is quite common in Asia. In photos of cities English signs
can often be seen and not all are 'brand names'.

Sure.

But that 'English' isn't the language of the British Islands.

The problem is, that the iternal logic of Chinese makes Chinese speakers almost certainly bad speakers of English.

This is why many 'English manuals' of products from China are more funny
than useful.

English has disadvantages, too, but which are quite irrelevant for most
speakers of English as a second language:

English has an insane amout of diffent words (~one million)

English has also a number of totally illogic rules and special cases.

This is largely because English comes from the same Indo European
branch as German but is heavily modified by the Romance languagues, especially French. Owing to the Conquest, a huge number of Old
French words entered common usage in England, often delineating class.
For example, Britons ate pigs, but the French conquerors served it
with fine wine and called it pork.

English had a HUGE number of ancestors, who had left their marks in the English language.

Keltic languages
Latin
Danish
French
German
Dutch
Hindi
Kisuaheli
...

TH

That is whay Daniel Webster invented the "Webster Dictionary"...to get
rid of
all these foreign influences.

In Mexicao they say "tele"
In Britian they say "tele"...

in the United States we say...Television!


TELEVISION!!!!

Learn English!


It is the Official Language of The United States.


Buy a Webster Dictionary today...


Math is a language very little people know..

anyone here speak penquin?


Did you know dinosaurs didn't...roar? they tweet.



tweet, tweet, twwet.














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Am Freitag000013, 13.06.2025 um 19:14 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Dienstag000010, 10.06.2025 um 12:56 schrieb Governor Swill:

On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 07:04:30 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000006, 06.06.2025 um 08:03 schrieb Gronk:

Governor Swill wrote:> On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:41:43 +0200, Thomas Heger >>> <snip>
> Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before globalization. >>>>> > Conquest, military and non military can wipe out small languages. >>>>> > Cultures can be absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a language.
> Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine. There are a few common >>>>> > second languages today. English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Italian
> and lately Chinese.

German was actually a 'lingua franca', too.


Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for fun.

Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they like to >>>> call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called 'grammar', hence >>>> the language has a lack of possibility to express certain subtle ideas. >>>

English is quite common in Asia. In photos of cities English signs
can often be seen and not all are 'brand names'.

Sure.

But that 'English' isn't the language of the British Islands.

The problem is, that the iternal logic of Chinese makes Chinese speakers
almost certainly bad speakers of English.

This is why many 'English manuals' of products from China are more funny
than useful.

English has disadvantages, too, but which are quite irrelevant for most >>>> speakers of English as a second language:

English has an insane amout of diffent words (~one million)

English has also a number of totally illogic rules and special cases.

This is largely because English comes from the same Indo European
branch as German but is heavily modified by the Romance languagues,
especially French. Owing to the Conquest, a huge number of Old
French words entered common usage in England, often delineating class.
For example, Britons ate pigs, but the French conquerors served it
with fine wine and called it pork.

English had a HUGE number of ancestors, who had left their marks in the
English language.

Keltic languages
Latin
Danish
French
German
Dutch
Hindi
Kisuaheli
...

TH

That is whay Daniel Webster invented the "Webster Dictionary"...to get
rid of
all these foreign influences.

In Mexicao they say "tele"
In Britian they say "tele"...

in the United States we say...Television!

TELEVISION!!!!

Learn English!

I can speak, read and write English quite well, even if that isn't perfect.

But English is a second language for me. (My native language is German.)

It is the Official Language of The United States.

Buy a Webster Dictionary today...

Math is a language very little people know..

Math is not really a language, unless you are a computer. But I know
same math, anyhow.

anyone here speak penquin?

Did you know dinosaurs didn't...roar? they tweet.

Sure.
Dinosaurs are acually not gone. Today they are called 'birds'.

The dinosaurs are seemingling an extict class of animals, because they
were so big.

But dinosaurs were only big in comparison to us today, while at their
time in the past they had simply usual size (for dinosaurs), because
gravity was so low at that time (hence everything was much bigger).

Also plants and insects were extremely huge and beetles, for instance,
could have been larger than a horse today.


TH

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Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000013, 13.06.2025 um 19:14 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Dienstag000010, 10.06.2025 um 12:56 schrieb Governor Swill:

On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 07:04:30 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000006, 06.06.2025 um 08:03 schrieb Gronk:

Governor Swill wrote:> On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:41:43 +0200, Thomas Heger >>> <snip>
> Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before globalization. >>>>> > Conquest, military and non military can wipe out small languages. >>>>> > Cultures can be absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a language.
> Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine. There are a few common
> second languages today. English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Italian
> and lately Chinese.

German was actually a 'lingua franca', too.


Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for fun.

Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they like to >>>> call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called 'grammar', hence >>>> the language has a lack of possibility to express certain subtle ideas. >>>

English is quite common in Asia. In photos of cities English signs
can often be seen and not all are 'brand names'.

Sure.

But that 'English' isn't the language of the British Islands.

The problem is, that the iternal logic of Chinese makes Chinese speakers >> almost certainly bad speakers of English.

This is why many 'English manuals' of products from China are more funny >> than useful.

English has disadvantages, too, but which are quite irrelevant for most >>>> speakers of English as a second language:

English has an insane amout of diffent words (~one million)

English has also a number of totally illogic rules and special cases. >>>

This is largely because English comes from the same Indo European
branch as German but is heavily modified by the Romance languagues,
especially French. Owing to the Conquest, a huge number of Old
French words entered common usage in England, often delineating class. >>> For example, Britons ate pigs, but the French conquerors served it
with fine wine and called it pork.

English had a HUGE number of ancestors, who had left their marks in the
English language.

Keltic languages
Latin
Danish
French
German
Dutch
Hindi
Kisuaheli
...

TH

That is whay Daniel Webster invented the "Webster Dictionary"...to get
rid of
all these foreign influences.

In Mexicao they say "tele"
In Britian they say "tele"...

in the United States we say...Television!

TELEVISION!!!!

Learn English!

I can speak, read and write English quite well, even if that isn't perfect.

But English is a second language for me. (My native language is German.)

You're German? Can you explain to me why Israel today doesn't want
Germany to posses nucluer weapons????

i don't see Germany today commiting genocide or bothering their
neighbors...




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Governor Swill wrote:

On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 09:03:28 +0200, Thomas Heger <[email protected]>
wrote:

Am Freitag000013, 13.06.2025 um 19:14 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Dienstag000010, 10.06.2025 um 12:56 schrieb Governor Swill:

On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 07:04:30 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000006, 06.06.2025 um 08:03 schrieb Gronk:

Governor Swill wrote:> On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:41:43 +0200, Thomas Heger

<snip>

> Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before globalization. >>>>>> > Conquest, military and non military can wipe out small languages. >>>>>> > Cultures can be absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a language.
> Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine. There are a few common
> second languages today.� English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Italian
> and lately Chinese.

German was actually a 'lingua franca', too.


Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for fun. >>>>>
Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they like to >>>>> call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called 'grammar', hence >>>>> the language has a lack of possibility to express certain subtle ideas. >>>>

English is quite common in Asia. In photos of cities English signs
can often be seen and not all are 'brand names'.

Sure.

But that 'English' isn't the language of the British Islands.

The problem is, that the iternal logic of Chinese makes Chinese speakers >>> almost certainly bad speakers of English.

This is why many 'English manuals' of products from China are more funny >>> than useful.

English has disadvantages, too, but which are quite irrelevant for most >>>>> speakers of English as a second language:

English has an insane amout of diffent words (~one million)

English has also a number of totally illogic rules and special cases. >>>>

This is largely because English comes from the same Indo European
branch as German but is heavily modified by the Romance languagues,
especially French. Owing to the Conquest, a huge number of Old
French words entered common usage in England, often delineating class. >>>> For example, Britons ate pigs, but the French conquerors served it
with fine wine and called it pork.

English had a HUGE number of ancestors, who had left their marks in the >>> English language.

Keltic languages
Latin
Danish
French
German
Dutch
Hindi
Kisuaheli
...

TH

That is whay Daniel Webster invented the "Webster Dictionary"...to get
rid of
all these foreign influences.

In Mexicao they say "tele"
In Britian they say "tele"...

in the United States we say...Television!

No, we don't. We say "TV".

At your house they all speak in abbreviations cause Television has too
many sylabbles.


How about idiot box? or is 3 sylabbles still to much???


how about boob tube?


Don't get you panties in a knot trying to say Television!


tveeeeeeee








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Am Samstag000014, 14.06.2025 um 00:49 schrieb Governor Swill:

On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 08:01:43 +0200, Thomas Heger <[email protected]>
wrote:

English had a HUGE number of ancestors, who had left their marks in the
English language.

Keltic languages
Latin
Danish
French
German
Dutch
Hindi
Kisuaheli

All stemming from Indo-European. Sanskrit.

I would go that far to say, that Englishmen speak Sanskrit.


TH

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Am Samstag000014, 14.06.2025 um 10:23 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000013, 13.06.2025 um 19:14 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Dienstag000010, 10.06.2025 um 12:56 schrieb Governor Swill:

On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 07:04:30 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000006, 06.06.2025 um 08:03 schrieb Gronk:

Governor Swill wrote:> On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:41:43 +0200, Thomas Heger >>>>> <snip>
> Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before globalization. >>>>>>> > Conquest, military and non military can wipe out small languages. >>>>>>> > Cultures can be absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a language.
> Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine. There are a few common
> second languages today. English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Italian
> and lately Chinese.

German was actually a 'lingua franca', too.


Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for fun. >>>>>>
Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they like to >>>>>> call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called 'grammar', hence >>>>>> the language has a lack of possibility to express certain subtle ideas. >>>>>

English is quite common in Asia. In photos of cities English signs
can often be seen and not all are 'brand names'.

Sure.

But that 'English' isn't the language of the British Islands.

The problem is, that the iternal logic of Chinese makes Chinese speakers >>>> almost certainly bad speakers of English.

This is why many 'English manuals' of products from China are more funny >>>> than useful.

English has disadvantages, too, but which are quite irrelevant for most >>>>>> speakers of English as a second language:

English has an insane amout of diffent words (~one million)

English has also a number of totally illogic rules and special cases. >>>>>

This is largely because English comes from the same Indo European
branch as German but is heavily modified by the Romance languagues,
especially French. Owing to the Conquest, a huge number of Old
French words entered common usage in England, often delineating class. >>>>> For example, Britons ate pigs, but the French conquerors served it
with fine wine and called it pork.

English had a HUGE number of ancestors, who had left their marks in the >>>> English language.

Keltic languages
Latin
Danish
French
German
Dutch
Hindi
Kisuaheli
...

TH

That is whay Daniel Webster invented the "Webster Dictionary"...to get
rid of
all these foreign influences.

In Mexicao they say "tele"
In Britian they say "tele"...

in the United States we say...Television!


TELEVISION!!!!

Learn English!

I can speak, read and write English quite well, even if that isn't perfect. >>
But English is a second language for me. (My native language is German.)

You're German? Can you explain to me why Israel today doesn't want
Germany to posses nucluer weapons????

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.
(what they told you in school was more or less a lie)

But Germans don't like atomic bombs, because they are difficult to use
and extremely expensive.

Actually atomic bombs cannot be used properly and if the enemy has them,
too, they are practically useless.

But Germans could most likely build them, supposed they wanted to.

i don't see Germany today commiting genocide or bothering their
neighbors...

Well, Germans had a share of such attrocities and have actually enough
of that.

TH

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Thomas Heger, <news:[email protected]>

Am Freitag000006, 06.06.2025 um 08:03 schrieb Gronk:

Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before globalization.
Conquest, military and non military can wipe out small languages.
Cultures can be absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a language.
Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine.

The so called Ukrainian in the so called Ukraine is
mostly a product of the Polish colonization for about
three centuries, when in the territory of the present
day western & central Uraine most of the upper-class,
landowners and urbanites, were Polish or Jewish while
the populace, peasants were "Ukrainian".

There are a few common
second languages today. English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Italian
and lately Chinese.

German was actually a 'lingua franca', too.

Indeed, - before the WW1, and also, then Germany had
a big real chance to be another "center of world", but
then it had been eventually bondaged and disciplined.

Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for fun.

Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they like to
call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called 'grammar', hence
the language has a lack of possibility to express certain subtle ideas.

Not a good rationalization, seems Nazi-like, and it's not
really a language feature. The modern Chinese-made goods
are highly competitive because production is optimized to
minimize costs, including the translator's expenses. Their
vendors' approach is so that the product should speak for
itself as such without a nicely written manual, especially
when it comes to cheap products. They simply do not care.
But if it turns out that a good manual is important for
increasing sales then be sure there will be a good manual.

English has disadvantages, too, but which are quite irrelevant for most speakers of English as a second language:

English has an insane amout of diffent words (~one million)

English has also a number of totally illogic rules and special cases.

Basically English is simple and especially convenient for
writing and reading. Small number of letters, no diacritics
and the like. Many "rules" may (and/or should) be ignored.

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On 6/15/2025 1:08 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Samstag000014, 14.06.2025 um 10:23 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000013, 13.06.2025 um 19:14 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Dienstag000010, 10.06.2025 um 12:56 schrieb Governor Swill:

On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 07:04:30 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000006, 06.06.2025 um 08:03 schrieb Gronk:

Governor Swill wrote:> On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:41:43 +0200, Thomas Heger

<snip>

    > Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before globalization.
    > Conquest, military and non military can wipe out small languages.
    > Cultures can be absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a >>>>>>>> language.
    > Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine. There are a few common
    > second languages today.  English, French, Japanese, Spanish,
Italian
    > and lately Chinese.

German was actually a 'lingua franca', too.


Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for fun. >>>>>>>
Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they like to >>>>>>> call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called 'grammar', hence >>>>>>> the language has a lack of possibility to express certain subtle ideas. >>>>>>

English is quite common in Asia.  In photos of cities English signs >>>>>> can often be seen and not all are 'brand names'.

Sure.

But that 'English' isn't the language of the British Islands.

The problem is, that the iternal logic of Chinese makes Chinese speakers >>>>> almost certainly bad speakers of English.

This is why many 'English manuals' of products from China are more funny >>>>> than useful.

English has disadvantages, too, but which are quite irrelevant for most >>>>>>> speakers of English as a second language:

English has an insane amout of diffent words (~one million)

English has also a number of totally illogic rules and special cases. >>>>>>

This is largely because English comes from the same Indo European
branch as German but is heavily modified by the Romance languagues, >>>>>> especially French.   Owing to the Conquest, a huge number of Old >>>>>> French words entered common usage in England, often delineating class. >>>>>> For example, Britons ate pigs, but the French conquerors served it >>>>>> with fine wine and called it pork.

English had a HUGE number of ancestors, who had left their marks in the >>>>> English language.

Keltic languages
Latin
Danish
French
German
Dutch
Hindi
Kisuaheli
...

TH

That is whay Daniel Webster invented the "Webster Dictionary"...to get >>>> rid of
all these foreign influences.

In Mexicao they say "tele"
In Britian they say "tele"...

in the United States we say...Television!


TELEVISION!!!!

Learn English!

I can speak, read and write English quite well, even if that isn't perfect. >>>
But English is a second language for me. (My native language is German.)

You're German? Can you explain to me why Israel today doesn't want
Germany to posses nucluer weapons????

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.

Germany never had an atom bomb. The program was scuttled in 1942.

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OrigInfoJunkie <[email protected]> wrote in news:D6D3Q.1423448$[email protected]:

On 6/15/2025 1:08 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Samstag000014, 14.06.2025 um 10:23 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000013, 13.06.2025 um 19:14 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Dienstag000010, 10.06.2025 um 12:56 schrieb Governor Swill:

On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 07:04:30 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000006, 06.06.2025 um 08:03 schrieb Gronk:

Governor Swill wrote:> On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:41:43 +0200,
Thomas Heger

<snip>

    > Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before
globalization.     > Conquest, military and non military
can wipe out small languages.     > Cultures can be
absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a language.
    > Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine. There >>>>>>>>> are a few common     > second languages today. 
English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Italian
    > and lately Chinese.

German was actually a 'lingua franca', too.


Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for >>>>>>>> fun.

Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they >>>>>>>> like to call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called
'grammar', hence the language has a lack of possibility to
express certain subtle ideas.

English is quite common in Asia.  In photos of cities English
signs can often be seen and not all are 'brand names'.

Sure.

But that 'English' isn't the language of the British Islands.

The problem is, that the iternal logic of Chinese makes Chinese
speakers almost certainly bad speakers of English.

This is why many 'English manuals' of products from China are
more funny than useful.

English has disadvantages, too, but which are quite irrelevant >>>>>>>> for most speakers of English as a second language:

English has an insane amout of diffent words (~one million)

English has also a number of totally illogic rules and special >>>>>>>> cases.

This is largely because English comes from the same Indo
European branch as German but is heavily modified by the Romance >>>>>>> languagues, especially French.   Owing to the Conquest, a huge >>>>>>> number of Old French words entered common usage in England,
often delineating class. For example, Britons ate pigs, but the
French conquerors served it with fine wine and called it pork.

English had a HUGE number of ancestors, who had left their marks
in the English language.

Keltic languages
Latin
Danish
French
German
Dutch
Hindi
Kisuaheli
...

TH

That is whay Daniel Webster invented the "Webster Dictionary"...to
get rid of
all these foreign influences.

In Mexicao they say "tele"
In Britian they say "tele"...

in the United States we say...Television!


TELEVISION!!!!

Learn English!

I can speak, read and write English quite well, even if that isn't
perfect.

But English is a second language for me. (My native language is
German.)

You're German? Can you explain to me why Israel today doesn't want
Germany to posses nucluer weapons????

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.

Germany never had an atom bomb. The program was scuttled in 1942.

Germany rejected the research done by
the top experts as "Jewish science" which
hindered their progress considerably.

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On 15/6/25 10:08, OrigInfoJunkie wrote:

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.

Germany never had an atom bomb. The program was scuttled in 1942.

Nuclear fission was discoverred in Germany.

Once that was established the question shifted from science to
technology.
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Mitchell Holman wrote:

Germany never had an atom bomb. The program was scuttled in 1942.

Germany rejected the research done by
the top experts as "Jewish science" which hindered their progress considerably.

bullshit, they all the patents. You make shit up as you go. The Einstine
was a gypsy gay stealing patents.

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On 6/15/2025 6:03 AM, Governor Swill wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 10:08:17 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.

If they had been, Hitler would have used them.

They didn't have an atomic bomb. The program was stopped in 1942, according to Albert Speer.

(what they told you in school was more or less a lie)

The reality was that Germany was following a different path to the
same goal but it didn't work out. For one reason, the Norwegian
resistance managed to destroy their supply of heavy water.

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On 15/6/25 6:03, Governor Swill wrote:

The reality was that Germany was following a different path to the
same goal but it didn't work out. For one reason, the Norwegian
resistance managed to destroy their supply of heavy water.

Germany was following a dead end. They were fixated on heavy
water. Fermi realised boron could be removed from graphite to
serve the same purposed as heavy water. Fermi had a working
reactor in 1942 while Germans were still playing with themselves
in 1945. The reactor proved a self sustaining fission chain
reaction was possible. More reactors followed and the plutonium
was created.

When enough of the science was known, purifying U235 was still an
expensive technological challenge. Only the USA could fight a two
front war and the expense of purification. Only when the USA had
reactors it had plutonium.

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On 14/6/25 17:54, Governor Swill wrote:

On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 09:03:28 +0200, Thomas Heger <[email protected]>
wrote:

Am Freitag000013, 13.06.2025 um 19:14 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Dienstag000010, 10.06.2025 um 12:56 schrieb Governor Swill:

On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 07:04:30 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000006, 06.06.2025 um 08:03 schrieb Gronk:

Governor Swill wrote:> On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:41:43 +0200, Thomas Heger >>>>> <snip>
> Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before globalization. >>>>>>> > Conquest, military and non military can wipe out small languages. >>>>>>> > Cultures can be absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a language.
> Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine. There are a few common
> second languages today.� English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Italian
> and lately Chinese.

German was actually a 'lingua franca', too.


Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for fun. >>>>>>
Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they like to >>>>>> call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called 'grammar', hence >>>>>> the language has a lack of possibility to express certain subtle ideas. >>>>>

English is quite common in Asia. In photos of cities English signs
can often be seen and not all are 'brand names'.

Sure.

But that 'English' isn't the language of the British Islands.

The problem is, that the iternal logic of Chinese makes Chinese speakers >>>> almost certainly bad speakers of English.

This is why many 'English manuals' of products from China are more funny >>>> than useful.

English has disadvantages, too, but which are quite irrelevant for most >>>>>> speakers of English as a second language:

English has an insane amout of diffent words (~one million)

English has also a number of totally illogic rules and special cases. >>>>>

This is largely because English comes from the same Indo European
branch as German but is heavily modified by the Romance languagues,
especially French. Owing to the Conquest, a huge number of Old
French words entered common usage in England, often delineating class. >>>>> For example, Britons ate pigs, but the French conquerors served it
with fine wine and called it pork.

English had a HUGE number of ancestors, who had left their marks in the >>>> English language.

Keltic languages
Latin
Danish
French
German
Dutch
Hindi
Kisuaheli
...

TH

That is whay Daniel Webster invented the "Webster Dictionary"...to get
rid of
all these foreign influences.

In Mexicao they say "tele"
In Britian they say "tele"...

in the United States we say...Television!

No, we don't. We say "TV".

No, we do not. We say 'idiot box'.

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On 6/15/2025 11:25 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:

On 15/6/25 10:08, OrigInfoJunkie wrote:

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.

Germany never had an atom bomb. The program was scuttled in 1942.

Nuclear fission was discoverred in Germany.

That's nice.

*discovered*, you fucking idiot — only one fucking 'r'

Once that was established the question shifted from science to technology.

Germany never mastered it.

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Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Samstag000014, 14.06.2025 um 10:23 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000013, 13.06.2025 um 19:14 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Dienstag000010, 10.06.2025 um 12:56 schrieb Governor Swill:

On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 07:04:30 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000006, 06.06.2025 um 08:03 schrieb Gronk:

Governor Swill wrote:> On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:41:43 +0200, Thomas Heger

<snip>

> Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before globalization.
> Conquest, military and non military can wipe out small languages.
> Cultures can be absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a language.
> Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine. There are a few common
> second languages today. English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Italian
> and lately Chinese.

German was actually a 'lingua franca', too.


Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for fun. >>>>>>
Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they like to
call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called 'grammar', hence >>>>>> the language has a lack of possibility to express certain subtle ideas.

English is quite common in Asia. In photos of cities English signs >>>>> can often be seen and not all are 'brand names'.

Sure.

But that 'English' isn't the language of the British Islands.

The problem is, that the iternal logic of Chinese makes Chinese speakers >>>> almost certainly bad speakers of English.

This is why many 'English manuals' of products from China are more funny >>>> than useful.

English has disadvantages, too, but which are quite irrelevant for most
speakers of English as a second language:

English has an insane amout of diffent words (~one million)

English has also a number of totally illogic rules and special cases. >>>>>

This is largely because English comes from the same Indo European
branch as German but is heavily modified by the Romance languagues, >>>>> especially French. Owing to the Conquest, a huge number of Old
French words entered common usage in England, often delineating class. >>>>> For example, Britons ate pigs, but the French conquerors served it >>>>> with fine wine and called it pork.

English had a HUGE number of ancestors, who had left their marks in the >>>> English language.

Keltic languages
Latin
Danish
French
German
Dutch
Hindi
Kisuaheli
...

TH

That is whay Daniel Webster invented the "Webster Dictionary"...to get >>> rid of
all these foreign influences.

In Mexicao they say "tele"
In Britian they say "tele"...

in the United States we say...Television!


TELEVISION!!!!

Learn English!

I can speak, read and write English quite well, even if that isn't perfect.

But English is a second language for me. (My native language is German.)

You're German? Can you explain to me why Israel today doesn't want
Germany to posses nucluer weapons????

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.
(what they told you in school was more or less a lie)

But Germans don't like atomic bombs, because they are difficult to use
and extremely expensive.

Actually atomic bombs cannot be used properly and if the enemy has them,
too, they are practically useless.

But Germans could most likely build them, supposed they wanted to.

Of course the Germans were the first to invent the atomic bomb...it
was invented by a German, living in Germany and his name was...Albert
Einstein.


he just continued his invention with his German friends in the USA!


And Albert Einstein's target was Japan, not Germany. He loves German
people.

i don't see Germany today commiting genocide or bothering their neighbors...

Well, Germans had a share of such attrocities and have actually enough
of that.

TH

a little genocide never hurt anyone...



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Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:

OrigInfoJunkie <[email protected]> wrote in news:D6D3Q.1423448$[email protected]:

On 6/15/2025 1:08 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Samstag000014, 14.06.2025 um 10:23 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000013, 13.06.2025 um 19:14 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Dienstag000010, 10.06.2025 um 12:56 schrieb Governor Swill:

On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 07:04:30 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000006, 06.06.2025 um 08:03 schrieb Gronk:

Governor Swill wrote:> On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:41:43 +0200, >>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger

<snip>

   > Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before >>>>>>>>> globalization.    > Conquest, military and non military >>>>>>>>> can wipe out small languages.    > Cultures can be
absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a language.
   > Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine. There >>>>>>>>> are a few common    > second languages today.Ã∞â•˚ >>>>>>>>> English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Italian
   > and lately Chinese.

German was actually a 'lingua franca', too.


Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for >>>>>>>> fun.

Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they >>>>>>>> like to call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called
'grammar', hence the language has a lack of possibility to
express certain subtle ideas.

English is quite common in Asia. In photos of cities English >>>>>>> signs can often be seen and not all are 'brand names'.

Sure.

But that 'English' isn't the language of the British Islands.

The problem is, that the iternal logic of Chinese makes Chinese
speakers almost certainly bad speakers of English.

This is why many 'English manuals' of products from China are
more funny than useful.

English has disadvantages, too, but which are quite irrelevant >>>>>>>> for most speakers of English as a second language:

English has an insane amout of diffent words (~one million)

English has also a number of totally illogic rules and special >>>>>>>> cases.

This is largely because English comes from the same Indo
European branch as German but is heavily modified by the Romance >>>>>>> languagues, especially French.  Owing to the Conquest, a huge >>>>>>> number of Old French words entered common usage in England,
often delineating class. For example, Britons ate pigs, but the >>>>>>> French conquerors served it with fine wine and called it pork.

English had a HUGE number of ancestors, who had left their marks >>>>>> in the English language.

Keltic languages
Latin
Danish
French
German
Dutch
Hindi
Kisuaheli
...

TH

That is whay Daniel Webster invented the "Webster Dictionary"...to >>>>> get rid of
all these foreign influences.

In Mexicao they say "tele"
In Britian they say "tele"...

in the United States we say...Television!


TELEVISION!!!!

Learn English!

I can speak, read and write English quite well, even if that isn't
perfect.

But English is a second language for me. (My native language is
German.)

You're German? Can you explain to me why Israel today doesn't want
Germany to posses nucluer weapons????

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.

Germany never had an atom bomb. The program was scuttled in 1942.

Germany rejected the research done by
the top experts as "Jewish science" which
hindered their progress considerably.

Hi Mitchell, good to see that you are not only a fan of Rush Limbaugh,
but also interested in math and physics.
I'am sure that your fellow posters in a.b.pictures.scenic
wouldn't want to miss your insights.

Apart from that, you are wrong about it.
Heisenberg was cleared as as being 'A good German' and an 'Aryan'
by none other than Heinrich Himmler himself,

Jan

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On 2025-06-16 05:57, J. J. Lodder wrote:
[...]

Jan

Bye bye


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The Starmaker wrote:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Samstag000014, 14.06.2025 um 10:23 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000013, 13.06.2025 um 19:14 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Dienstag000010, 10.06.2025 um 12:56 schrieb Governor Swill:

On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 07:04:30 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000006, 06.06.2025 um 08:03 schrieb Gronk:

Governor Swill wrote:> On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:41:43 +0200, Thomas Heger

<snip>

> Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before globalization.
> Conquest, military and non military can wipe out small languages.
> Cultures can be absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a language.
> Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine. There are a few common
> second languages today. English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Italian
> and lately Chinese.

German was actually a 'lingua franca', too.


Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for fun. >>>>>>
Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they like to
call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called 'grammar', hence
the language has a lack of possibility to express certain subtle ideas.

English is quite common in Asia. In photos of cities English signs >>>>> can often be seen and not all are 'brand names'.

Sure.

But that 'English' isn't the language of the British Islands.

The problem is, that the iternal logic of Chinese makes Chinese speakers
almost certainly bad speakers of English.

This is why many 'English manuals' of products from China are more funny
than useful.

English has disadvantages, too, but which are quite irrelevant for most
speakers of English as a second language:

English has an insane amout of diffent words (~one million)

English has also a number of totally illogic rules and special cases.

This is largely because English comes from the same Indo European >>>>> branch as German but is heavily modified by the Romance languagues, >>>>> especially French. Owing to the Conquest, a huge number of Old >>>>> French words entered common usage in England, often delineating class.
For example, Britons ate pigs, but the French conquerors served it >>>>> with fine wine and called it pork.

English had a HUGE number of ancestors, who had left their marks in the
English language.

Keltic languages
Latin
Danish
French
German
Dutch
Hindi
Kisuaheli
...

TH

That is whay Daniel Webster invented the "Webster Dictionary"...to get >>> rid of
all these foreign influences.

In Mexicao they say "tele"
In Britian they say "tele"...

in the United States we say...Television!


TELEVISION!!!!

Learn English!

I can speak, read and write English quite well, even if that isn't perfect.

But English is a second language for me. (My native language is German.)

You're German? Can you explain to me why Israel today doesn't want Germany to posses nucluer weapons????

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.
(what they told you in school was more or less a lie)

But Germans don't like atomic bombs, because they are difficult to use
and extremely expensive.

Actually atomic bombs cannot be used properly and if the enemy has them, too, they are practically useless.

But Germans could most likely build them, supposed they wanted to.

Of course the Germans were the first to invent the atomic bomb...it
was invented by a German, living in Germany and his name was...Albert Einstein.

he just continued his invention with his German friends in the USA!

Let's not forget real History...

it was Einstein who said:

"If I had foreseen Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I would have torn up my
formula in 1905." - Albert Einstein


His formula for the atomic bomb was invented in 1905 in Germany!
Published in German!! Written in Geramn!!!

The Germans invented the fucking atomic bomb...Einstein and his friends
were those Germans!




if you
take away
the shell
of a snail...
he's still
a snail.



























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Wolf K <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2025-06-16 05:57, J. J. Lodder wrote:
[...]

Jan

Bye bye

Good to see another fan of Rush Limbaugh.
Have Canadians gone crazy too?

Jan

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William Hyde wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

Siri Cruz wrote:

On 15/6/25 6:03, Governor Swill wrote:

The reality was that Germany was following a different path to the
same goal but it didn't work out.  For one reason, the Norwegian
resistance managed to destroy their supply of heavy water.

Germany was following a dead end. They were fixated on heavy water.
Fermi realised boron could be removed from graphite to serve the same
purposed as heavy water. Fermi had a working reactor in 1942 while
Germans were still playing with themselves in 1945. The reactor proved a
self sustaining fission chain reaction was possible. More reactors
followed and the plutonium was created.

And even though the allies went with graphite, by 1945 we were producing considerable amounts of heavy water. More, I think, per month than
German acquired in the whole war.

William Hyde

I prefer a high-gravity beer.

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Maltese Falcon.
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% wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

William Hyde wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

Siri Cruz wrote:

On 15/6/25 6:03, Governor Swill wrote:

The reality was that Germany was following a different path to the
same goal but it didn't work out.  For one reason, the Norwegian
resistance managed to destroy their supply of heavy water.

Germany was following a dead end. They were fixated on heavy water.
Fermi realised boron could be removed from graphite to serve the same
purposed as heavy water. Fermi had a working reactor in 1942 while
Germans were still playing with themselves in 1945. The reactor proved a >>>> self sustaining fission chain reaction was possible. More reactors
followed and the plutonium was created.

And even though the allies went with graphite, by 1945 we were producing >>> considerable amounts of heavy water. More, I think, per month than
German acquired in the whole war.

William Hyde

I prefer a high-gravity beer.

i prefer a drank beer

All beers asymptote to drank. :-)

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The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Samstag000014, 14.06.2025 um 10:23 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000013, 13.06.2025 um 19:14 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Dienstag000010, 10.06.2025 um 12:56 schrieb Governor Swill:

On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 07:04:30 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000006, 06.06.2025 um 08:03 schrieb Gronk:

Governor Swill wrote:> On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:41:43 +0200, Thomas Heger

<snip>

> Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before globalization.
> Conquest, military and non military can wipe out small languages.
> Cultures can be absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a language.
> Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine. There are a few common
> second languages today. English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Italian
> and lately Chinese.

German was actually a 'lingua franca', too.


Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for fun.

Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they like to
call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called 'grammar', hence
the language has a lack of possibility to express certain subtle ideas.

English is quite common in Asia. In photos of cities English signs >>>>> can often be seen and not all are 'brand names'.

Sure.

But that 'English' isn't the language of the British Islands.

The problem is, that the iternal logic of Chinese makes Chinese speakers
almost certainly bad speakers of English.

This is why many 'English manuals' of products from China are more funny
than useful.

English has disadvantages, too, but which are quite irrelevant for most
speakers of English as a second language:

English has an insane amout of diffent words (~one million)

English has also a number of totally illogic rules and special cases.

This is largely because English comes from the same Indo European >>>>> branch as German but is heavily modified by the Romance languagues, >>>>> especially French. Owing to the Conquest, a huge number of Old >>>>> French words entered common usage in England, often delineating class.
For example, Britons ate pigs, but the French conquerors served it >>>>> with fine wine and called it pork.

English had a HUGE number of ancestors, who had left their marks in the
English language.

Keltic languages
Latin
Danish
French
German
Dutch
Hindi
Kisuaheli
...

TH

That is whay Daniel Webster invented the "Webster Dictionary"...to get
rid of
all these foreign influences.

In Mexicao they say "tele"
In Britian they say "tele"...

in the United States we say...Television!


TELEVISION!!!!

Learn English!

I can speak, read and write English quite well, even if that isn't perfect.

But English is a second language for me. (My native language is German.)

You're German? Can you explain to me why Israel today doesn't want Germany to posses nucluer weapons????

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.
(what they told you in school was more or less a lie)

But Germans don't like atomic bombs, because they are difficult to use and extremely expensive.

Actually atomic bombs cannot be used properly and if the enemy has them, too, they are practically useless.

But Germans could most likely build them, supposed they wanted to.

Of course the Germans were the first to invent the atomic bomb...it
was invented by a German, living in Germany and his name was...Albert Einstein.

he just continued his invention with his German friends in the USA!

Let's not forget real History...

it was Einstein who said:

"If I had foreseen Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I would have torn up my
formula in 1905." - Albert Einstein

His formula for the atomic bomb was invented in 1905 in Germany!
Published in German!! Written in Geramn!!!

The Germans invented the fucking atomic bomb...Einstein and his friends
were those Germans!

if you
take away
the shell
of a snail...
he's still
a snail.

Did you see the selfie of Einstein and Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and his atomic bomb formula?

https://content.time.com/time/magazine/archive/covers/1946/1101460701_400.jpg












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Am Sonntag000015, 15.06.2025 um 15:03 schrieb Governor Swill:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 10:08:17 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.

If they had been, Hitler would have used them.

They have been used, but not by Germany.

...

The Germans had also 'UFOs', named 'Haunebu IV', anti-aircraft rockets
and also Jet-driven fighter planes.

These were also not used to defend Germany, even if that was certainly necessary.

The reason:

'Hitler' was actually a British agent (according to Greg Hallet).

TH

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Am Sonntag000015, 15.06.2025 um 20:25 schrieb Siri Cruz:

On 15/6/25 10:08, OrigInfoJunkie wrote:

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.

Germany never had an atom bomb. The program was scuttled in 1942.

Nuclear fission was discoverred in Germany.

Once that was established the question shifted from science to technology.

Leo Scillard ('father of the atomic bomb') worked together with Albert
Einstein in Berlin.

Both invented and patented a device called 'Einstein fridge'.

Students who wanted to replicate this thing found out, that it doesn't cool.

The reason: this device has only one known use. It is used in fast
breeding reactors!

Therefore it is actually possible, that atomic bombs were build long
before the advent of the Manhattan project and possibly in Germany long
before the Nazis even came to power and with special help by physicists
like Einstein and Szillard.


TH

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Am Sonntag000015, 15.06.2025 um 13:45 schrieb Oleg Smirnov:
...

Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for fun.

Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they like
to call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called 'grammar', hence
the language has a lack of possibility to express certain subtle ideas.

Not a good rationalization, seems Nazi-like, and it's not really a
language feature. The modern Chinese-made goods are highly competitive because production is optimized to minimize costs, including the
translator's expenses. Their
vendors' approach is so that the product should speak for
itself as such without a nicely written manual, especially when it comes
to cheap products. They simply do not care.
But if it turns out that a good manual is important for increasing sales
then be sure there will be a good manual.

Products do not speak for themselves.

Products themselves are actually only half of what the customers want.

Usually manuals, software, warranties, repair service, parts supply,
service manuals, advertising of the brand, fashion or similar are also
part of what costumers want.

So: a good company would take care of their market and would provide
things like spare parts or installation services.

But China is doing mainly manufactoring and in many cases nothing more
than that and simple shipping stuff abroad in plastic bags.

Instead of a manual these manufacturers put tiny pieces of paper into
the box, which contain almost unreadable advices in five to ten
different languages.

English has disadvantages, too, but which are quite irrelevant for
most speakers of English as a second language:

English has an insane amout of diffent words (~one million)

English has also a number of totally illogic rules and special cases.

Basically English is simple and especially convenient for
writing and reading. Small number of letters, no diacritics
and the like. Many "rules" may (and/or should) be ignored.

English could be stripped town to bare minimum and still remains
undertandable.

But that isn't English anymore, but kind of 'Pidgin-Redneck-dialect'.

TH

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The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Samstag000014, 14.06.2025 um 10:23 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000013, 13.06.2025 um 19:14 schrieb The Starmaker:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Dienstag000010, 10.06.2025 um 12:56 schrieb Governor Swill: >>>>> On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 07:04:30 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000006, 06.06.2025 um 08:03 schrieb Gronk:

Governor Swill wrote:> On Sat, 31 May 2025 08:41:43 +0200, Thomas Heger

<snip>

> Prussian disappeared in the 17th century - before globalization.
> Conquest, military and non military can wipe out small languages.
> Cultures can be absorbed by larger ones leading to loss of a language.
> Russian is as common as Ukrainian in Ukraine. There are a few common
> second languages today. English, French, Japanese, Spanish, Italian
> and lately Chinese.

German was actually a 'lingua franca', too.


Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for fun.

Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they like to
call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called 'grammar', hence
the language has a lack of possibility to express certain subtle ideas.

English is quite common in Asia. In photos of cities English signs
can often be seen and not all are 'brand names'.

Sure.

But that 'English' isn't the language of the British Islands.

The problem is, that the iternal logic of Chinese makes Chinese speakers
almost certainly bad speakers of English.

This is why many 'English manuals' of products from China are more funny
than useful.

English has disadvantages, too, but which are quite irrelevant for most
speakers of English as a second language:

English has an insane amout of diffent words (~one million) >>>>>>
English has also a number of totally illogic rules and special cases.

This is largely because English comes from the same Indo European >>>>> branch as German but is heavily modified by the Romance languagues,
especially French. Owing to the Conquest, a huge number of Old >>>>> French words entered common usage in England, often delineating class.
For example, Britons ate pigs, but the French conquerors served it
with fine wine and called it pork.

English had a HUGE number of ancestors, who had left their marks in the
English language.

Keltic languages
Latin
Danish
French
German
Dutch
Hindi
Kisuaheli
...

TH

That is whay Daniel Webster invented the "Webster Dictionary"...to get
rid of
all these foreign influences.

In Mexicao they say "tele"
In Britian they say "tele"...

in the United States we say...Television!


TELEVISION!!!!

Learn English!

I can speak, read and write English quite well, even if that isn't perfect.

But English is a second language for me. (My native language is German.)

You're German? Can you explain to me why Israel today doesn't want Germany to posses nucluer weapons????

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.
(what they told you in school was more or less a lie)

But Germans don't like atomic bombs, because they are difficult to use and extremely expensive.

Actually atomic bombs cannot be used properly and if the enemy has them,
too, they are practically useless.

But Germans could most likely build them, supposed they wanted to.

Of course the Germans were the first to invent the atomic bomb...it
was invented by a German, living in Germany and his name was...Albert Einstein.

he just continued his invention with his German friends in the USA!

Let's not forget real History...

it was Einstein who said:

"If I had foreseen Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I would have torn up my
formula in 1905." - Albert Einstein

His formula for the atomic bomb was invented in 1905 in Germany!
Published in German!! Written in Geramn!!!

The Germans invented the fucking atomic bomb...Einstein and his friends were those Germans!

if you
take away
the shell
of a snail...
he's still
a snail.

Did you see the selfie of Einstein and Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and his atomic bomb formula?

https://content.time.com/time/magazine/archive/covers/1946/1101460701_400.jpg

Now, let me give you a little insight (an accurate and deep intuitive understanding) to Albert Einstein's ...lies.


He said: "If I had foreseen Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I would have torn up
my
formula in 1905." - Albert Einstein



"foreseen: to know in advance; be aware of beforehand; https://www.dictionary.com � browse � foreseen
verb (used with object)?? foresaw, foreseen, foreseeing. to have
prescience of; to know in advance;


The TRUTH is, Albert Einstein knew in advance; was aware of beforehand;
that the atomic bomb

would be used on Japan.

The atomic bomb was dropped on Japan in August, 1945...twice. But Albert Einstein was
notified that the bomb would be dropped on Japan earlier that year in
March.

And he never mentioned it to ANYONE between March and August...not even
once!


Here is the memo Albert Einstein enclosed with his letter to FDR
notifying of the March decision.

https://x.com/Starmaker111/status/1431098020930592777/photo/1




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William Hyde <[email protected]> wrote:

J. J. Lodder wrote:

Wolf K <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2025-06-16 05:57, J. J. Lodder wrote:
[...]

Jan

Bye bye

Good to see another fan of Rush Limbaugh.
Have Canadians gone crazy too?

If I haven't yet, this group will do the job.

I've been trying to kill afrb from this thread for a while. Maybe I
will succeed this time.

Succeeded. Allowing crossposts in the standard American nutter groups
(RL, gun control, etc.) is a crime against usenet.
Those people are trying to sabotage the few still functioning groups
by dumping junk into them, and keeping the threads up.

It's true that there were some very smart people working on the nazi
atomic bomb program.

Ten of them, arrested in 1945 and taken to Farm Hall:

• Erich Bagge
• Kurt Diebner
• Walther Gerlach
• Otto Hahn
• Paul Harteck
• Werner Heisenberg
• Horst Korsching
• Max von Laue
• Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker
• Karl Wirtz

Several Nobel prize winners among them.
Heisenberg pretended after the war that he hadn't failed,
and that he had actively resisted the Nazi regime
by deliberately not building the bomb.

But reading Wheeler on the allied project, I get the impression that
there were hundreds of such working there - many refugees from Europe.

Certainly, and much of the scientific leadership.
Oppenheimer, while American, had studied physics in Europe.
The first 'all American' leading scientist was Richard Feynman,
a youngster at the time.

There is also much to be found in
Richard Rhodes, 'The Making of the Atomic Bomb' <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Making_of_the_Atomic_Bomb>

Jan

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Thomas Heger, <news:[email protected]>

Am Sonntag000015, 15.06.2025 um 13:45 schrieb Oleg Smirnov:

Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for fun.

Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they like to
call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called 'grammar', hence
the language has a lack of possibility to express certain subtle ideas.

Not a good rationalization, seems Nazi-like, and it's not really a
language feature. The modern Chinese-made goods are highly competitive
because production is optimized to minimize costs, including the
translator's expenses. Their
vendors' approach is so that the product should speak for
itself as such without a nicely written manual, especially when it comes
to cheap products. They simply do not care.
But if it turns out that a good manual is important for increasing sales
then be sure there will be a good manual.

Products do not speak for themselves.

Products themselves are actually only half of what the customers want.

Usually manuals, software, warranties, repair service, parts supply,
service manuals, advertising of the brand, fashion or similar are also
part of what costumers want.

So: a good company would take care of their market and would provide
things like spare parts or installation services.

But China is doing mainly manufactoring and in many cases nothing more
than that and simple shipping stuff abroad in plastic bags.

Instead of a manual these manufacturers put tiny pieces of paper into the box, which contain almost unreadable advices in five to ten different languages.

Consumers may claim they want this and that, but what consumers
really want is what they are really willing to pay money for, so
as long as a product is well-sellable, there's no necessity to
take the vocalism (if any) of [some part of] consumers to heart.
If you dislike it then simply don't buy it. Developing theories
about inferiority of language and the like is surely not a good rationalization.

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Am Sonntag000015, 15.06.2025 um 21:58 schrieb OrigInfoJunkie:

They didn't have an atomic bomb. The program was stopped in 1942,
according to Albert Speer.

Albert Speer was a top Nazi, too.

These would lie to whatever question you ask.

TH

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Am Montag000016, 16.06.2025 um 09:38 schrieb Governor Swill:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 12:58:42 -0700, OrigInfoJunkie <[email protected]>
wrote:

On 6/15/2025 6:03 AM, Governor Swill wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 10:08:17 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.

If they had been, Hitler would have used them.

They didn't have an atomic bomb.

They didn't have an atomic bomb because Germany surrendered before
they could get one built.

The program was stopped in 1942, according to Albert Speer.

Then what were the Nazis were doing with heavy water in 1944?

The Norwegian ferry Hydro was sunk in Lake Tinnsjå (also known as Lake
Tinn) on February 20, 1944, by Norwegian resistance fighters.

"Norwegian heavy water sabotage" <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage>

"Heavy Water War - The story" <https://www.visitnorway.com/listings/heavy-water-war-the-story/1474/>

"Hitler's nuclear bomb dream was sunk on ferry" <https://www.9news.com.au/world/hitler-was-just-a-ferry-ride-away-from-building-his-nucelar-bomb-tv-show-reveals/cf96285a-9900-4b35-9b62-05c9e4f417f3>

If the Nazis needed heavy water, they apparently wanted to build a
hydrogen bomb!

To that demand would fit, that Einstein and Szillard patented a device
in Berlin in 1930, which is apparently used in fast breeding reactors.

TH

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Am Montag000016, 16.06.2025 um 09:46 schrieb Governor Swill:

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.

Germany never had an atom bomb. The program was scuttled in 1942.

Nuclear fission was discoverred in Germany.

That's nice.

*discovered*, you fucking idiot — only one fucking 'r'

Once that was established the question shifted from science to technology. >>

Germany never mastered it.

Exactly - but they didn't stop trying until allied forces overran all
their research facilities and captured their scientists.

At least the Americans must have believed in German atomic bombs,
because the US forces rushed to Thuringia at the end of the war and to a
region near Weimar, to capture a facility near 'Ohrdruf', where the
Germans allegedly build atomic bombs.

This would have been a really serious problem, because the German also
built (under the direction of Wernher von Braun) ballistic missiles.

Combined with the numerous and state of the art German submarines, that
could have been chilling for the Americans.

(Possible the 'Haunebu IV' flying disks would have been an even greater
risk.)


TH

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Am Montag000016, 16.06.2025 um 18:46 schrieb The Starmaker:
...

You're German? Can you explain to me why Israel today doesn't want
Germany to posses nucluer weapons????

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.
(what they told you in school was more or less a lie)

But Germans don't like atomic bombs, because they are difficult to use
and extremely expensive.

Actually atomic bombs cannot be used properly and if the enemy has them, >>> too, they are practically useless.

But Germans could most likely build them, supposed they wanted to.

Of course the Germans were the first to invent the atomic bomb...it
was invented by a German, living in Germany and his name was...Albert
Einstein.

he just continued his invention with his German friends in the USA!

Let's not forget real History...

it was Einstein who said:

"If I had foreseen Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I would have torn up my
formula in 1905." - Albert Einstein

E=m* c² was known before Einstein.

His formula for the atomic bomb was invented in 1905 in Germany!
Published in German!! Written in Geramn!!!

The Germans invented the fucking atomic bomb...Einstein and his friends
were those Germans!

Leo Szillar was actually an Hungarian and Einstein most like Swiss.

Fermi was Italian and Bohr imho Danish.


TH

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Am Dienstag000017, 17.06.2025 um 09:58 schrieb The Starmaker:
...

He said: "If I had foreseen Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I would have torn up
my
formula in 1905." - Albert Einstein

"foreseen: to know in advance; be aware of beforehand; https://www.dictionary.com › browse › foreseen
verb (used with object)?? foresaw, foreseen, foreseeing. to have
prescience of; to know in advance;

The TRUTH is, Albert Einstein knew in advance; was aware of beforehand;
that the atomic bomb

would be used on Japan.

The atomic bomb was dropped on Japan in August, 1945...twice. But Albert Einstein was
notified that the bomb would be dropped on Japan earlier that year in
March.

And he never mentioned it to ANYONE between March and August...not even
once!

Here is the memo Albert Einstein enclosed with his letter to FDR
notifying of the March decision.

https://x.com/Starmaker111/status/1431098020930592777/photo/1

Apparently Einstein and Szillar wanted the atomic bombs to be dropped,
but not on Japan.

This would leave just one possible destination, which they apparently
favored:

GERMANY!!

But, luckly for me and bad for Japan, war ended in Germany a little too
early (in the view of Einstein).


TH

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Am Dienstag000017, 17.06.2025 um 15:25 schrieb Oleg Smirnov:

Thomas Heger, <news:[email protected]>

Am Sonntag000015, 15.06.2025 um 13:45 schrieb Oleg Smirnov:

Chinese on the other hand is no language you like to learn for fun.

Especially writing in Chinese is REALLY difficult.

The language itself has also disadvantages.

This can be seen in many translations from Chinese in what they like to >>>> call 'manuals'.

These little papers reveal a lack of something called 'grammar', hence >>>> the language has a lack of possibility to express certain subtle ideas. >>>

Not a good rationalization, seems Nazi-like, and it's not really a
language feature. The modern Chinese-made goods are highly competitive
because production is optimized to minimize costs, including the
translator's expenses. Their
vendors' approach is so that the product should speak for
itself as such without a nicely written manual, especially when it comes >>> to cheap products. They simply do not care.
But if it turns out that a good manual is important for increasing sales >>> then be sure there will be a good manual.

Products do not speak for themselves.

Products themselves are actually only half of what the customers want.

Usually manuals, software, warranties, repair service, parts supply,
service manuals, advertising of the brand, fashion or similar are also
part of what costumers want.

So: a good company would take care of their market and would provide
things like spare parts or installation services.

But China is doing mainly manufactoring and in many cases nothing more
than that and simple shipping stuff abroad in plastic bags.

Instead of a manual these manufacturers put tiny pieces of paper into the
box, which contain almost unreadable advices in five to ten different
languages.

Consumers may claim they want this and that, but what consumers
really want is what they are really willing to pay money for, so
as long as a product is well-sellable, there's no necessity to
take the vocalism (if any) of [some part of] consumers to heart.
If you dislike it then simply don't buy it. Developing theories
about inferiority of language and the like is surely not a good rationalization.

I personally think, that the Chineese themselves are not really happy
with their language and their way of writing.

These are very nasty problems, once you want to go into international trade.

Costumers usually want all things possible and for zero price.

But that is't possible, of course.

So, some sort of negotians are requried about would shall be delivered
and what is not necessary.

Most likely a good manual in the language of your country will a
standard for all products in the future.


TH


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So, some sort of negotians are requried about would shall be delivered
and what is not necessary.

Most likely a good manual in the language of your country will a
standard for all products in the future.

I disagree, the local language is worse than english. They put things
upside down. Never read a paper or a manual in gearmon, full of errors and misinterpretations. Like jew Einstine who was a gypsy.

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In sci.physics Governor Swill <[email protected]> wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 17:59:11 -0700, OrigInfoJunkie <[email protected]>
wrote:

On 6/15/2025 11:25 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:

On 15/6/25 10:08, OrigInfoJunkie wrote:

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.

Germany never had an atom bomb. The program was scuttled in 1942.

Nuclear fission was discoverred in Germany.

That's nice.

*discovered*, you fucking idiot ? only one fucking 'r'

Once that was established the question shifted from science to technology. >>

Germany never mastered it.

Exactly - but they didn't stop trying until allied forces overran all
their research facilities and captured their scientists.

Actually all his successes caused Hitler to believe circa 1940 that the
war would be over by 1941 and ordered research projects that couldn't be fielded by 1941 to be abandonded. A couple of years later reality set in
and projects were restarted.


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On 6/18/2025 1:07 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Montag000016, 16.06.2025 um 18:46 schrieb The Starmaker:
...

You're German? Can you explain to me why Israel today  doesn't want >>>>> Germany to posses nucluer weapons????

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.
(what they told you in school was more or less a lie)

But Germans don't like atomic bombs, because they are difficult to use >>>> and extremely expensive.

Actually atomic bombs cannot be used properly and if the enemy has them, >>>> too, they are practically useless.

But Germans could most likely build them, supposed they wanted to.

Of course the Germans were the first to invent the atomic bomb...it
was invented by a German, living in Germany and his name was...Albert
Einstein.

he just continued his invention with his German friends in the USA!

Let's not forget real History...

it was Einstein who said:

"If I had foreseen Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I would have torn up my
formula in 1905." - Albert Einstein

E=m* c² was known before Einstein.

Wrong.

His formula for the atomic bomb was invented in 1905 in Germany!
Published in German!! Written in Geramn!!!

The Germans invented the fucking atomic bomb

They did not.

...Einstein and his friends
were those  Germans!

Leo Szillar was actually an Hungarian and Einstein most like Swiss.

Einstein was not born Swiss. He was a German Jew. He relinquished his German citizenship in 1896. He acquired Swiss citizenship in 1901 at the age of 21 (approaching age 22). He reacquired German (Prussian) citizenship in 1914, but later renounced it again.

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Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Montag000016, 16.06.2025 um 18:46 schrieb The Starmaker:
...

You're German? Can you explain to me why Israel today doesn't want
Germany to posses nucluer weapons????

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.
(what they told you in school was more or less a lie)

But Germans don't like atomic bombs, because they are difficult to use >>> and extremely expensive.

Actually atomic bombs cannot be used properly and if the enemy has them, >>> too, they are practically useless.

But Germans could most likely build them, supposed they wanted to.

Of course the Germans were the first to invent the atomic bomb...it
was invented by a German, living in Germany and his name was...Albert
Einstein.

he just continued his invention with his German friends in the USA!

Let's not forget real History...

it was Einstein who said:

"If I had foreseen Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I would have torn up my
formula in 1905." - Albert Einstein

E=m* c² was known before Einstein.

His formula for the atomic bomb was invented in 1905 in Germany!
Published in German!! Written in Geramn!!!

The Germans invented the fucking atomic bomb...Einstein and his friends were those Germans!

Leo Szillar was actually an Hungarian and Einstein most like Swiss.

Fermi was Italian and Bohr imho Danish.

TH

THIS IS INSANE!!!!

WHAT ARE ALL THESE FOREINERS DOING IN OUR COUNTRY BUILDING ATOMIC BOMBS????

they no even speeak inglish!


Guaduaguaduafua, wat did he say? How did a wop get in there?


Fermi?? Oh, dats right...i forgot...his wife is Jewish!


can i have some mustard with the spahgetti??


Fermi's wife like itallian stallions...


she's a 'nice jewish girl' who don't like jewish guys...


she even wote a book all about the atomic bomb, did you read it????

Einstein did! It's on his book shelf on that photo the day he died.





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Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 10:07:22 +0200, Thomas Heger <[email protected]>
wrote:

Am Montag000016, 16.06.2025 um 18:46 schrieb The Starmaker:
...

You're German? Can you explain to me why Israel today doesn't want >>>>>> Germany to posses nucluer weapons????

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.
(what they told you in school was more or less a lie)

But Germans don't like atomic bombs, because they are difficult to use >>>>> and extremely expensive.

Actually atomic bombs cannot be used properly and if the enemy has them, >>>>> too, they are practically useless.

But Germans could most likely build them, supposed they wanted to.

Of course the Germans were the first to invent the atomic bomb...it
was invented by a German, living in Germany and his name was...Albert
Einstein.

he just continued his invention with his German friends in the USA!

Let's not forget real History...

it was Einstein who said:

"If I had foreseen Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I would have torn up my
formula in 1905." - Albert Einstein

E=m* c² was known before Einstein.

Sure, right ... everybody knows that.

Cite, please.

There's more to the story:

<https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/was-einstein-the-first-to-invent-e-mc2/>

His formula for the atomic bomb was invented in 1905 in Germany!
Published in German!! Written in Geramn!!!

The Germans invented the fucking atomic bomb...Einstein and his friends
were those Germans!

Leo Szillar was actually an Hungarian and Einstein most like Swiss.

Fermi was Italian and Bohr imho Danish.

In your opinion? Was he Danish or not?

You makin' me hungry.... ^^^^^^

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Jim Pennino wrote:

In sci.physics Governor Swill <[email protected]> wrote:

Germany never mastered it.

Exactly - but they didn't stop trying until allied forces overran all
their research facilities and captured their scientists.

Actually all his successes caused Hitler to believe circa 1940 that the
war would be over by 1941 and ordered research projects that couldn't be fielded by 1941 to be abandonded. A couple of years later reality set in
and projects were restarted.

not true, pissrael is polish and ukran immigrants, in the job of stealing countries, if you want to know the truth. Here some proofs. They are
stealing countries right now as we speak. Which is disgusting. They want
to steal the entire Russian Federation to subjugate and enslave.

𝗖𝗮𝗻𝗱𝗮𝗰𝗲_𝗢𝘄𝗲𝗻𝘀_𝘀𝗮𝘆𝘀_𝘆𝗼𝘂_𝗮𝗿𝗲_𝗡𝗢𝗧_𝘁𝗵𝗲_𝗖𝗛𝗢𝗦𝗘𝗡_𝗽𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲_𝗡𝗲𝘁𝗮𝗻𝘆𝗮𝗵𝘂
https://b%69%74%63%68%75te.com/video/CZ1VbwTbBLrp

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Thomas Heger wrote:

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.

That's why Hitler used them to win WW2.

(what they told you in school was more or less a lie)

All history is lies.

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Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 10:23:04 +0200, Thomas Heger <[email protected]>
wrote:

Apparently Einstein and Szillar wanted the atomic bombs to be dropped,
but not on Japan.

How ignorant are you?

These are results for einstein wanted a bomb dropped on germany
Search instead for einstein wanted abomb dropped on germany

AI Overview
No, Albert Einstein did not want an atomic bomb dropped on Germany.
While he did play a role in initiating the Manhattan Project to
develop the atomic bomb, it was motivated by his fear that Nazi
Germany would develop such a weapon first and use it to dominate the
world. Einstein, a lifelong pacifist, deeply regretted his involvement
later and described it as his "one great mistake".

Einstein's other great mistake? The cosmological constant.

(A little physics humor)

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On 18/6/25 12:41, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 10:23:04 +0200, Thomas Heger <[email protected]>
wrote:

Apparently Einstein and Szillar wanted the atomic bombs to be dropped,
but not on Japan.

How ignorant are you?

These are results for einstein wanted a bomb dropped on germany
Search instead for einstein wanted abomb dropped on germany

AI Overview
No, Albert Einstein did not want an atomic bomb dropped on Germany.
While he did play a role in initiating the Manhattan Project to
develop the atomic bomb, it was motivated by his fear that Nazi
Germany would develop such a weapon first and use it to dominate the
world. Einstein, a lifelong pacifist, deeply regretted his involvement
later and described it as his "one great mistake".

Einstein's other great mistake? The cosmological constant.

(A little physics humor)

Has that not been changed to the cosmological variable? The
cosmological fudge factor?

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Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Dienstag000017, 17.06.2025 um 09:58 schrieb The Starmaker:
...

He said: "If I had foreseen Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I would have torn up
my
formula in 1905." - Albert Einstein

"foreseen: to know in advance; be aware of beforehand; https://www.dictionary.com › browse › foreseen
verb (used with object)?? foresaw, foreseen, foreseeing. to have
prescience of; to know in advance;

The TRUTH is, Albert Einstein knew in advance; was aware of beforehand; that the atomic bomb

would be used on Japan.

The atomic bomb was dropped on Japan in August, 1945...twice. But Albert Einstein was
notified that the bomb would be dropped on Japan earlier that year in March.

And he never mentioned it to ANYONE between March and August...not even once!

Here is the memo Albert Einstein enclosed with his letter to FDR
notifying of the March decision.

https://x.com/Starmaker111/status/1431098020930592777/photo/1

Apparently Einstein and Szillar wanted the atomic bombs to be dropped,
but not on Japan.

This would leave just one possible destination, which they apparently favored:

GERMANY!!

Albert Einstein NEVER said he wanted the Germans to die. (why would he wanna kill his own people?)

But Albert Einstein wanted Japan to die. (i guess they don't have Japanese Jewish people there)...


There is this 'misconception' about Albert Einstein's atomic bomb
that has existed for decades...

He is 'just a scientists'. He wanted to build an atomic bomb just for ...fun! He had no intentions of killing Germans in 1905 when he came out with formular for the atomic bomb....

he
was
just
making
an
experiment!

AN EXPERIMENT!


he was just fooling around..


you know..
like Dr. Frankinstein.


IT'S ALIVE!!!!


EXPERIMENT:
perform a scientific procedure, especially in a laboratory, to determine something.




Like for example, scientist invented the Internet just so they can TALK to each other...


they had no idea all the stupid people wanted to use it.

But, luckly for me and bad for Japan, war ended in Germany a little too
early (in the view of Einstein).

TH

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Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Montag000016, 16.06.2025 um 18:46 schrieb The Starmaker:
...

You're German? Can you explain to me why Israel today doesn't want
Germany to posses nucluer weapons????

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.
(what they told you in school was more or less a lie)

But Germans don't like atomic bombs, because they are difficult to use >>> and extremely expensive.

Actually atomic bombs cannot be used properly and if the enemy has them, >>> too, they are practically useless.

But Germans could most likely build them, supposed they wanted to.

Of course the Germans were the first to invent the atomic bomb...it
was invented by a German, living in Germany and his name was...Albert
Einstein.

he just continued his invention with his German friends in the USA!

Let's not forget real History...

it was Einstein who said:

"If I had foreseen Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I would have torn up my
formula in 1905." - Albert Einstein

E=m* c² was known before Einstein.

Okay, so he STOLE the formula from sombody else...he was a GONIF!

He also worked at the patent office and STOLE patents for others and
they paid him to steal it.

Is that against the law? Not Gonif law. In Isreal Gonif law it's okay to
steal from
others as long as they are not Jewish.


Harvey Winstein ONLY raped women who WEREN'T Jewish!


he's a nice jewish boy.






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Mitchell Holman wrote:

OrigInfoJunkie <[email protected]> wrote in

Germany never had an atom bomb. The program was scuttled in 1942.

Germany rejected the research done by
the top experts as "Jewish science" which
hindered their progress considerably.

And many scientists left Germany due to such attitudes
and policies.

History is practically repeating itself...

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Governor Swill wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 12:58:42 -0700, OrigInfoJunkie <[email protected]>

On 6/15/2025 6:03 AM, Governor Swill wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 10:08:17 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.

If they had been, Hitler would have used them.

They didn't have an atomic bomb.

They didn't have an atomic bomb because Germany surrendered before
they could get one built.

The program was stopped in 1942, according to Albert Speer.

Then what were the Nazis were doing with heavy water in 1944?

The Norwegian ferry Hydro was sunk in Lake Tinnsjå (also known as Lake
Tinn) on February 20, 1944, by Norwegian resistance fighters.

"Norwegian heavy water sabotage" <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage>

"Heavy Water War - The story" <https://www.visitnorway.com/listings/heavy-water-war-the-story/1474/>

"Hitler's nuclear bomb dream was sunk on ferry" <https://www.9news.com.au/world/hitler-was-just-a-ferry-ride-away-from-building-his-nucelar-bomb-tv-show-reveals/cf96285a-9900-4b35-9b62-05c9e4f417f3>

But you believe Albert Speer.

ALBERT SPEER!!

<laughs and points>

There's a fair amount of historical hype about the German
program.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_program_during_World_War_II

"Developments took place in several phases,
but in the words of historian Mark Walker, it
ultimately became "frozen at the laboratory
level" with the "modest goal" to "build a
nuclear reactor which could sustain a nuclear
fission chain reaction for a significant amount
of time and to achieve the complete separation
of at least tiny amounts of the uranium isotopes".
The scholarly consensus is that it failed to
achieve these goals, and that despite fears at
the time, the Germans had never been close to
producing nuclear weapons."

Puffing and fluffing it up makes good copy.

Somewheres I got a book on the Japanese program
(couple boxes in the back room most likely). They
were even further away.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2003/03/07/national/japans-a-bomb-goal-still-long-way-off-in-45/


https://www.nytimes.com/1978/01/07/archives/new-jersey-pages-japanese-data-show-tokyo-tried-to-make-world-war.html
archived at
https://archive.is/VlJ0f
Japanese Data Show Tokyo Tried To Make World War II A‐Bomb

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Am Mittwoch000018, 18.06.2025 um 18:18 schrieb The Starmaker:

The Germans invented the fucking atomic bomb...Einstein and his friends
were those Germans!

Leo Szillar was actually an Hungarian and Einstein most like Swiss.

Fermi was Italian and Bohr imho Danish.

TH

THIS IS INSANE!!!!

WHAT ARE ALL THESE FOREINERS DOING IN OUR COUNTRY BUILDING ATOMIC BOMBS????

they no even speeak inglish!

...
Germany had actually lost WWI and was an occupied country between the wars.


TH

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Am Mittwoch000018, 18.06.2025 um 12:17 schrieb Michele Balabuha:

Thomas Heger wrote:

So, some sort of negotians are requried about would shall be delivered
and what is not necessary.

Most likely a good manual in the language of your country will a
standard for all products in the future.

I disagree, the local language is worse than english. They put things
upside down. Never read a paper or a manual in gearmon, full of errors and misinterpretations. Like jew Einstine who was a gypsy.

Germany is most likely not the easiest language in the world and
certainly many Germans don't speak German properly.

But German is actually quite ok as a language and has also some
benefits, compared to other languages.

But especially Chinese writing is nasty.

Also proper pronunciation of Chinese is really difficult, because it
requires kind of 'singing' in different hights.

TH

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Am Mittwoch000018, 18.06.2025 um 18:55 schrieb Governor Swill:

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.

If they had been, Hitler would have used them.

They didn't have an atomic bomb.

They didn't have an atomic bomb because Germany surrendered before
they could get one built.

The program was stopped in 1942, according to Albert Speer.

Then what were the Nazis were doing with heavy water in 1944?

The Norwegian ferry Hydro was sunk in Lake Tinnsjå (also known as Lake >>>> Tinn) on February 20, 1944, by Norwegian resistance fighters.

"Norwegian heavy water sabotage"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage>

"Heavy Water War - The story"
<https://www.visitnorway.com/listings/heavy-water-war-the-story/1474/> >>>>
"Hitler's nuclear bomb dream was sunk on ferry"
<https://www.9news.com.au/world/hitler-was-just-a-ferry-ride-away-from- >>>> building-his-nucelar-bomb-tv-show-reveals/cf96285a-9900-4b35-9b62-05c9e4f417f3>

If the Nazis needed heavy water, they apparently wanted to build a hydrogen bomb!

No. Heavy water was critical to the German atomic bomb project.

Don't bother. Heger is too busy being wrong to be teachable.

What would you do with heavy water in Uranium bombs?

And what use would you have for a fast breading reactor, if you don't
want to create Plutonium?

But supposed Plutonium was actually created at that time, then also
heavy water for a hydrogen bomb would make some sense.


TH



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Am Mittwoch000018, 18.06.2025 um 18:30 schrieb OrigInfoJunkie:

On 6/18/2025 1:07 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Montag000016, 16.06.2025 um 18:46 schrieb The Starmaker:
...

You're German? Can you explain to me why Israel today  doesn't want >>>>>> Germany to posses nucluer weapons????

Atomic bombs were actually invented in Germany.
(what they told you in school was more or less a lie)

But Germans don't like atomic bombs, because they are difficult to use >>>>> and extremely expensive.

Actually atomic bombs cannot be used properly and if the enemy has
them,
too, they are practically useless.

But Germans could most likely build them, supposed they wanted to.

Of course the Germans were the first to invent the atomic bomb...it
was invented by a German, living in Germany and his name was...Albert
Einstein.

he just continued his invention with his German friends in the USA!

Let's not forget real History...

it was Einstein who said:

"If I had foreseen Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I would have torn up my
formula in 1905." - Albert Einstein

E=m* c² was known before Einstein.

Wrong.

His formula for the atomic bomb was invented in 1905 in Germany!
Published in German!! Written in Geramn!!!

The Germans invented the fucking atomic bomb

They did not.

...Einstein and his friends
were those  Germans!

Leo Szillar was actually an Hungarian and Einstein most like Swiss.

Einstein was not born Swiss. He was a German Jew. He relinquished his
German citizenship in 1896. He acquired Swiss citizenship in 1901 at the
age of 21 (approaching age 22). He reacquired German (Prussian)
citizenship in 1914, but later renounced it again.

The is the official CV, but i had doubts about its authenticity.


In my view the official story was totally impossible.

E.g. the family Einstein went from Ulm to Munich with Albert as an infant.

Then they went from Munich to Pavia, Italy, but leaving their eldest son
behind in Munich (as a teenager!).

(To me this sounded, at least, rather strange.)


Then Albert left Munich, too, denounced his German citizenship and
reunited with his family in Pavia.

BUT: Germans were and are a little picky about what childs could do and
what they can't do.

Denouncing their citizenship was most likely not allowed, until the
teenager gets 'volljährig' at the age of 21 (today that is 18).

So A.E. could not denounce his citizenship, unless he would be older
than 21.

Also unusual: Einstein denounced German citizenship without acquiring
any other. This is illegal in Germany. I actually don't know, whether or
not that was illegal in the former German Empire, too, but would guess
that wasn't allowed then neither.


After getting to Pavia Albert stayed there for some time (official stay
was 3 month, while the neighboring Jesuit facility writes on their
webpage, that Einstein lived next door for an entire year).

But for that entire period of time he didn't go to school, even if that
would have been mandatory.


Later he went to Aarau, Switzerland, and visited school their (alone
again, without family).

This would raise two problems:
how did he get permit to stay?
how did he support his life alone in a foreign country?

Later Einstein went to the prestigious university ETH in Zurich, still
as stateless alien.

But how did he do that and why was he allowed to attend that university
by Swiss authorities?


Later he became member of the staff of the Swiss patent bureau in Bern.

That was even stranger, because the Swiss used the concept called
'Beamter' in the German speaking world.

This is a special status of the employees of the state and usually only accessible for born citizens.


Now: ALL of the problems above could be easily solved, if we assume,
that Einstein was actually Swiss and his name was not 'Einstein' and
(most likely) he wasn't a Jew.

Also a hint:

Einstein spoke three languages of Switzerland (German, French, Italien) fluently, but failed to learn English in ten years at Princeton.


TH

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On 18/6/25 21:41, Gronk wrote:

"Developments took place in several phases,
but in the words of historian Mark Walker, it
ultimately became "frozen at the laboratory
level" with the "modest goal" to "build a
nuclear reactor which could sustain a nuclear
fission chain reaction for a significant amount

Nuclear reactors need a device to slow down neutrons so that the
chain reaction is sustains at a low power. Weapons do not slow
down neutrons. They sustain the reaction at a high power that
cannot be contained.

One way to slow down neutrons is let them bounce off heavy water
molecules. Another is bounce off carbon atoms in graphite. In
1943 graphite was contaminated with boron which removed neutrons
altogether. So Germans decided to use heavy water which they
became fixated on. They never could get enough so they never had
any reactor or self-sustaining chain reaction. Fermi and
Americans realised they could clean boron out of graphite. Fermi
got the first reactor running in 1943. They built more reactors;
they discoverred a new element in the reactor ash which led to
breeder reactors and Plutonium as a fissile metal along with
U235. Plutonium could be refined with chemistry.

of time and to achieve the complete separation
of at least tiny amounts of the uranium isotopes".

All Uranium isotopes have the same chemistry so it requires very
expensive methods depending on slightly different nucleus
weights. It requires a lot of electricity, space, and machinery.
Only the USA could afford this whilst fighting a war.

The scholarly consensus is that it failed to
achieve these goals, and that despite fears at

Allied armies were everywhere in occupied Germany. Not just
scholarly consensus but the plain evidence of our own eyes proved
Germany had no functionning reactors, no enrichment, and no bombs.

the time, the Germans had never been close to
producing nuclear weapons."

Bohr had a conversation which he interpretted as Germany was
active on a Uranium bomb. Germany had enough technological and
scientific talent, it was possible they might be working on it.
US and UK had no certain knowledge.

Puffing and fluffing it up makes good copy.

Somewheres I got a book on the Japanese program
(couple boxes in the back room most likely). They
were even further away.

The USSR was also working on it. By 1944 any country with a
physics department knew it was a possibility and a rough idea how
to do a Little Boy weapon (slamming two junks of Uranium together).

What crippled everyone but the US was the industrial oomph needed
while fighting a war. Also a Fatman weapon could not be imagined
until a reactor was working and creating Plutonium.

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