Do muons move at a different velocity in the laboratory than in the atmosphere?
"No, muons generally do not move at a different velocity in a laboratory setting compared to their velocity in the atmosphere; they both travel
at speeds very close to the speed of light, typically around 99.8% of
the speed of light" - Google search AI.
Then why would they "time dilate" in the atmosphere?
LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:It seems hard to get around the evidence that the muon lifetime is
Do muons move at a different velocity in the laboratory than in the
atmosphere?
"No, muons generally do not move at a different velocity in a laboratory
setting compared to their velocity in the atmosphere; they both travel
at speeds very close to the speed of light, typically around 99.8% of
the speed of light" - Google search AI.
Then why would they "time dilate" in the atmosphere?
excellent question. My hunch is that the stupid ๐ง๐ช๐ก๐๐จ ๐๐๐จ๐๐ science
discretize things in ๐ฅ๐๐ง๐ฉ๐๐๐ก๐๐จ. It's rather ๐ฅ๐ง๐ค๐๐๐๐๐ก๐๐ฉ๐ฎ ๐๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ง๐๐๐ช๐ฉ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐จ,
according
to my theory of "๐๐ฃ ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐ฟ๐๐ซ๐๐ง๐๐๐ฃ๐ฉ ๐๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ง ๐ค๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐๐ค๐ซ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ฉ๐จ ๐๐ค๐๐๐ก".
And they
should investigate WHAT is causing that.
ie in quantum mechanics the probaility 1+1=2 MACRO scale logic is infinitesimal small close to zero.
W dniu 01.04.2025 oย 20:44, Paul.B.Andersen pisze:
Since muons are created at a height ~15 km, and the time for a muon to
reach the earth is t = 15e3/v = 5.005 s,
then the part of the muon flux that will reach the Earth is
ย ย N/Nโ = exp(-t/tโ) = 0.556, so 55.6% of the muons would reach the >>> ย ย Earth.
If the lifetime of the muons had been 2.2 ฮผs,
If the lifetime of the muons had been 2.2 ฮผs in the Earth frame
No other frame involved, poor trash. Muons have no, they're quantum particles...
Bailey et al, Phys. Lett. B 55 (1975) 420-424
this is blatantly incorrectuous. They never know how many muons are
there, due quantum probability distribution. So your assumed energy
makes no sense. Not even for detection.
Au contraire, it is you who are 'blatantly incorrectuous', [sic]
and you obviously have no idea of what you are talking about.
It is easy to measure how many muons there are in the storage ring at
any given moment, by picking up their electromagnetic fields, Jan
this is blatantly incorrectuous. They never know how many muons are
there, due quantum probability distribution. So your assumed energy
makes no sense. Not even for detection.
Au contraire, it is you who are 'blatantly incorrectuous', [sic]
and you obviously have no idea of what you are talking about.
It is easy to measure how many muons there are in the storage ring at
any given moment, by picking up their electromagnetic fields,
Yes.
Moreover, to measure the RATE of decay, one need not know the number of
muons circulating, one merely needs to measure the number of decays as a function of time. Bailey et al naturally do that, as part of their measurement of g-2.
Den 15.04.2025 22:33, skrev J. J. Lodder:
In a real experiment a lot of parameters must be measured.
See: https://paulba.no/paper/Frisch_Smith.pdf
Of course it is doable, and done routinely, at CERN for example.
They detect the decays of highly relativistic muons to time the
creation of the neutrinos, in the neutrino speed experiment for
example. That's why the muon drift tube has to be as long as it is.
That time dilatation costs a lot of real money, Jan
I don't think you read my post properly. What I described is not an experiment at all.
Nothing but the mean lifetime is really measured in my scenario above.
What I described above is no doable experiment, it was just to point out
the basic principle for how the mean lifetime is used to calculate the reduction of the flux with time.
In a real experiment a lot of parameters must be measured.
See: https://paulba.no/paper/Frisch_Smith.pdf
Paul.B.Andersen <[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think you read my post properly.
And you did not read mine properly.
What I described is not an experiment at all.
I know, so I wondered if it could be made into one. (detecting the
creation of muons at 15 km altitude, and their detection on the ground sometime later)
While impractical in the atmosphere it is quite doable,
and routinely done, at CERN,
where they have relativistic muon (and neutrino) beams,
Ross Finlayson <[email protected]> wrote:
Physicsts care where their derivations come from,m and fundamental
physicists don't allow much in the way of definition.
That's your craziest comment, so far,
Jan
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