On 07/12/2023 19:58, lar3ryca wrote:
On 2023-12-07 02:35, occam wrote:
On 07/12/2023 09:11, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 07/12/23 17:31, useapen wrote:
PARIS, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Teenagers' mathematics and reading skills
are in an unprecedented decline across dozens of countries and COVID >>>>> school closures are only partly to be blamed, the OECD said on
Tuesday in its latest survey of global learning standards.
The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
Development said it had seen some of the steepest drops in
performance since 2000 when it began its usually triennial tests of
15-year-olds reading, maths and science skills.
Here, this was reported as that Australia was back in the top 10.
Then it
was admitted that this was not because Australian results improved, but >>>> because so many other countries had gone even further backwards.
See, you can turn any news into good news if you find the right angle. >>>>
The Reuters article is based on the PISA report 2022.
https://www.oecd.org/publication/pisa-2022-results#pisa2022results
Interesting page. I did a little exploring, and some results were
surprising.
I cannot find Australia on the league table.
What do you mean by 'the league table'?
I am looking in Volume I section "How did countries do in PISA'. There
are three tables ranking various counties by performance in Mathematics (table I.2.1), Reading (table I.2.2) and Science (table I.2.3)
<https://read.oecd-ilibrary.org/view/?ref=1235_1235421-gumq51fbgo&title=PISA-2022-Results-Volume-I>
Australia is the third entry in the list on the left.
Which section are *you* looking in?
It shows one of
the surprising results I mentioned; the two dips below the 23-country
average of the '15-year old tests'in the math section. What happened
between 2015 and 2019 (approximately)?
Luxembourg, despite its very highly paid state teachers, is also missing >>> from the list. (We historically appear at the lower end of the table.)
Ireland was another surprise, with three dips, the worst being in about
2009, in reading and math. What happened there at that time?
Others that are strange, with widely varying results are Norway, Poland,
Sweden, and more.
What, to me, was unsurprising, was Canada's ranking in the same tests.
One of the presenters on the morning news program on CTV is basically
semi-literate. He graduated from a Sports Journalism program at a
college in Toronto in 2020. This morning's performance included several
instances; "hap'birthday", "more sunnier" "as we make our way into Friday". >>
Le 08/12/2023 à 16:36, D. Ray a écrit :
Hibou wrote:
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration could
affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak the
local language, that would affect reading, writing, and comprehension,
and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such as mathematics.
There's also culture. I understand that education is highly prized in
parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often outperform Whites.
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost perfectly >> aligning with skin tone map?
<https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_average-iq-by-country-v2.png>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.org/data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
That map aligns with state of development, too - with nutrition, medical care, and education.
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/human-development-index>
How have you excluded those factors?
IQ scores in the USA (I assume you're American) rose by about 17 points
in half a century:
<https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/mcs/media/images/81297000/gif/_81297297_iq_chart_1_624-01.gif>
During which period, the US population became markedly less White:States_in_percentage_of_the_population.svg.png>
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States_in_percentage_of_the_population.svg/1280px-Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_
What conclusion might you draw from that?
Hibou wrote:
Le 08/12/2023 à 16:36, D. Ray a écrit :
Hibou wrote:
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration could >>>> affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak the
local language, that would affect reading, writing, and comprehension, >>>> and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such as mathematics.
There's also culture. I understand that education is highly prized in
parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often outperform Whites.
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost perfectly
aligning with skin tone map?
<https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_average-iq-by-country-v2.png>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.org/data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
That map aligns with state of development, too - with nutrition, medical
care, and education.
Yes, and for the same reason. You’re trying to imply that Africans have lower IQs because they live in undeveloped third world shitholes.
However,
anyone with half a brain understand that those countries are undeveloped third world shitholes specifically because they’re full of stupid violent niggers.
Not that long ago pretty much whole Asia had issues with “nutrition, medical care, and education.” Not a case anymore. I suspect it’s because Asian countries are populated by Asians, not by niggers.
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/human-development-index>
How have you excluded those factors?
Those “factors” were non-existing in Africa until Whites (for good or for bad) brought there medical care, education, and everything else.
States_in_percentage_of_the_population.svg.png>IQ scores in the USA (I assume you're American) rose by about 17 points
in half a century:
<https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/mcs/media/images/81297000/gif/_81297297_iq_chart_1_624-01.gif>
Would be nice to see it broken down by race.
During which period, the US population became markedly less White:
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States_in_percentage_of_the_population.svg/1280px-Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_
And, according to this very graph, it became less Black.
What conclusion might you draw from that?
Less Black equals more IQ points?..
Seriously though, are you trying to say that race differences don’t exist?
Hibou <[email protected]d> wrote:
Le 08/12/2023 à 16:36, D. Ray a écrit :
Hibou wrote:
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration could >>>> affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak the
local language, that would affect reading, writing, and comprehension, >>>> and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such as mathematics.
There's also culture. I understand that education is highly prized in
parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often outperform Whites.
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost perfectly
aligning with skin tone map?
<https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_average-iq-by-country-v2.png>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.org/data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
That map aligns with state of development, too - with nutrition, medical
care, and education.
Yes, and for the same reason. You’re trying to imply that Africans have lower IQs because they live in undeveloped third world shitholes. However, anyone with half a brain understand that those countries are undeveloped third world shitholes specifically because they’re full of stupid violent niggers.
On 12/10/2023 12:41 AM, Hibou wrote:
Le 10/12/2023 à 02:03, D. Ray a écrit :
Hibou wrote:
Le 08/12/2023 à 16:36, D. Ray a écrit :
Hibou wrote:
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration
could
affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak
the local language, that would affect reading, writing, and
comprehension, and have a secondary effect on other subjects,
such as mathematics. There's also culture. I understand that
education is highly prized in parts of the Orient, for example,
so Asians often outperform Whites.
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost
perfectly aligning with skin tone map?
<https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_a
verage-iq-by-country-v2.png>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.o
rg/data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
That map aligns with state of development, too - with nutrition,
medical care, and education.
Yes, and for the same reason. You’re trying to imply that Africans
have lower IQs because they live in undeveloped third world
shitholes.
I think it's reasonable to suggest that people who are hungry, in
poor health, and uneducated will perform poorly in IQ tests.
Just take an educated person, and starve them for a while, then give
them an IQ test... They might not be up to par, so to speak...
On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 08:41:20 +0000, Hibou <[email protected]d> wrote:States_in_percentage_of_the_population.svg.png>
Le 10/12/2023 à 02:03, D. Ray a écrit :
Hibou wrote:
Le 08/12/2023 à 16:36, D. Ray a écrit :
Hibou wrote:
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration could >>>>>> affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak the >>>>>> local language, that would affect reading, writing, and comprehension, >>>>>> and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such as mathematics. >>>>>> There's also culture. I understand that education is highly prized in >>>>>> parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often outperform Whites. >>>>>>
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If its not about colour how come average IQ map is almost perfectly >>>>> aligning with skin tone map?
<https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_average-iq-by-country-v2.png>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.org/data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
That map aligns with state of development, too - with nutrition, medical >>>> care, and education.
Yes, and for the same reason. Youre trying to imply that Africans have >>> lower IQs because they live in undeveloped third world shitholes.
I think it's reasonable to suggest that people who are hungry, in poor
health, and uneducated will perform poorly in IQ tests.
However,
anyone with half a brain understand that those countries are undeveloped >>> third world shitholes specifically because theyre full of stupid violent >>> niggers.
That's a bold statement. Do you have a solid chain of evidence and
reasoning to support it?
Not that long ago pretty much whole Asia had issues with nutrition,
medical care, and education. Not a case anymore. I suspect its because >>> Asian countries are populated by Asians, not by niggers.
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/human-development-index>
How have you excluded those factors?
Those factors were non-existing in Africa until Whites (for good or for >>> bad) brought there medical care, education, and everything else.
The most developed countries were White, which explains the direction of
flow.
I suppose development as we know it really took off with the Industrial
Revolution. I have sometimes wondered why the IR occurred in Britain -
manageable temperate climate, trading nation, the security and stability
of living on an island, availability of coal and ores...? The prevailing
spirit must have played its part, but it would never occur to me to moot
skin colour.
IQ scores in the USA (I assume you're American) rose by about 17 points >>>> in half a century:
<https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/mcs/media/images/81297000/gif/_81297297_iq_chart_1_624-01.gif>
Would be nice to see it broken down by race.
During which period, the US population became markedly less White:
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States_in_percentage_of_the_population.svg/1280px-Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_
And, according to this very graph, it became less Black.
No, not from ~1947 to ~2004. Look again. The graph shows the percentage
of Blacks rising from ~10% to ~12%.
Well, there are visible variations in colour, physiognomy, stature, andWhat conclusion might you draw from that?
Less Black equals more IQ points?..
Seriously though, are you trying to say that race differences dont exist? >>
so on, and known internal differences, such as susceptibility to
sickle-cell disease. Perhaps there are mental differences too, but it's
impossible to tell, since, if they exist, they are masked by far more
important cultural differences. It's not only nations that differ, but
also our own ancestors. If the past is a foreign country, it's because
the people who lived in it were really quite foreign.
My own view is that the human brain is very plastic. People's beliefs
are extraordinarily varied, and - as Orwell remarked - even those who
would not score well in IQ tests are capable of exceptional mental feats
if their interest is engaged. In short, individual history is far more
important than 'race'.
In the nineteen seventies, typical IQ tests were discredited as being slanted towards
white students. Examples given included questions that wouldn't make sense to a poor,
black kid. Like, how many bathtubs in a house with three and a half baths? White kids
answered that correctly more often than black kids who much less often lived in or even
saw more than one bathroom in a home.
Le 10/12/2023 à 02:03, D. Ray a écrit :
Hibou wrote:
Le 08/12/2023 à 16:36, D. Ray a écrit :
Hibou wrote:
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration could >>>>> affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak the >>>>> local language, that would affect reading, writing, and comprehension, >>>>> and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such as mathematics.
There's also culture. I understand that education is highly prized in >>>>> parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often outperform Whites. >>>>>
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost perfectly
aligning with skin tone map?
<https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_average-iq-by-country-v2.png>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.org/data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
That map aligns with state of development, too - with nutrition, medical >>> care, and education.
Yes, and for the same reason. You’re trying to imply that Africans have
lower IQs because they live in undeveloped third world shitholes.
I think it's reasonable to suggest that people who are hungry, in poor health, and uneducated will perform poorly in IQ tests.
However,
anyone with half a brain understand that those countries are undeveloped
third world shitholes specifically because they’re full of stupid violent >> niggers.
That's a bold statement. Do you have a solid chain of evidence and
reasoning to support it?
Not that long ago pretty much whole Asia had issues with “nutrition,
medical care, and education.” Not a case anymore. I suspect it’s because >> Asian countries are populated by Asians, not by niggers.
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/human-development-index>
How have you excluded those factors?
Those “factors” were non-existing in Africa until Whites (for good or for
bad) brought there medical care, education, and everything else.
The most developed countries were White, which explains the direction of flow.
I suppose development as we know it really took off with the Industrial Revolution. I have sometimes wondered why the IR occurred in Britain - manageable temperate climate, trading nation, the security and stability
of living on an island, availability of coal and ores...?
The prevailing
spirit must have played its part, but it would never occur to me to moot
skin colour.
States_in_percentage_of_the_population.svg.png>IQ scores in the USA (I assume you're American) rose by about 17 points
in half a century:
<https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/mcs/media/images/81297000/gif/_81297297_iq_chart_1_624-01.gif>
Would be nice to see it broken down by race.
During which period, the US population became markedly less White:
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States_in_percentage_of_the_population.svg/1280px-Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_
And, according to this very graph, it became less Black.
No, not from ~1947 to ~2004. Look again. The graph shows the percentage
of Blacks rising from ~10% to ~12%.
What conclusion might you draw from that?
Less Black equals more IQ points?..
Seriously though, are you trying to say that race differences don’t exist?
Well, there are visible variations in colour, physiognomy, stature, and
so on, and known internal differences, such as susceptibility to
sickle-cell disease. Perhaps there are mental differences too, but it's impossible to tell, since, if they exist, they are masked by far more important cultural differences. It's not only nations that differ, but
also our own ancestors. If the past is a foreign country, it's because
the people who lived in it were really quite foreign.
My own view is that the human brain is very plastic. People's beliefs
are extraordinarily varied, and - as Orwell remarked - even those who
would not score well in IQ tests are capable of exceptional mental feats
if their interest is engaged. In short, individual history is far more important than 'race'.
This is a perfect example illustrating inability of Black kids to make logical deductions, and using hypothesising and logical abstractions.
I didn�t know you are racist, Swill.
To know whether immigration is having this effect, deeper study is
necessary - to look under the bonnet of the figures, to see what is
going on under pupils' bonnets.
Hibou <[email protected]d> wrote:
To know whether immigration is having this effect, deeper study is
necessary - to look under the bonnet of the figures, to see what is
going on under pupils' bonnets.
Looks like someone published an article today on this very topic.
“Fifteen-year-old students in several European countries have seen a decline in reading and maths scores over the past year, partially due to
mass immigration, results from the PISA school test show.”
Not only they perform poorly, they make children of indigenous people of Europe perform poorly:
“In France, around half of the students claimed that there was noise and disorder in most or all of their classes while 39% said they had to wait extended periods for teachers to begin or resume teaching due to disruptions.”
<https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/immigration-contributes-to-decline-in-school-aptitude-test-results/>
<https://archive.ph/sotpf>
To know whether immigration is having this effect, deeper study is
necessary - to look under the bonnet of the figures, to see what is
going on under pupils' bonnets.
Looks like someone published an article today on this very topic.
�Fifteen-year-old students in several European countries have seen a
decline in reading and maths scores over the past year, partially due to
mass immigration, results from the PISA school test show.�
Not only they perform poorly, they make children of indigenous people of Europe perform poorly:
�In France, around half of the students claimed that there was noise and disorder in most or all of their classes while 39% said they had to wait extended periods for teachers to begin or resume teaching due to disruptions.�
<https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/immigration-contributes-to-decline-in-school-aptitude-test-results/>
Le 08/12/2023 à 16:36, D. Ray a écrit :
Hibou wrote:
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration
could affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't
speak the local language, that would affect reading, writing, and
comprehension, and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such
as mathematics. There's also culture. I understand that education is
highly prized in parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often
outperform Whites.
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost
perfectly aligning with skin tone map?
<https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_aver
age-iq-by-country-v2.png>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.org/
data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
That map aligns with state of development, too - with nutrition,
medical care, and education.
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/human-development-index>
How have you excluded those factors?
IQ scores in the USA (I assume you're American) rose by about 17
points in half a century:
<https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/mcs/media/images/81297000/gif/_81297 297_iq_chart_1_624-01.gif>
During which period, the US population became markedly less White:
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Complete_his tory_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States_in_perc entage_of_the_population.svg/1280px-Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States_in_percentage_of_the_populatio n.svg.png>
What conclusion might you draw from that?
(NB: correlation is not causation.)
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