• Re: Mathematical incompleteness has always been a misconception --- phi

    From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Sat Mar 1 07:49:22 2025
    On 2/28/25 7:20 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 2/28/2025 5:20 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 2/28/25 5:04 PM, olcott wrote:

    The bottom line here is that expressions that do not have
    a truth-maker are always untrue. Logic screws this up by
    overriding the common meaning of terms with incompatible
    meanings. Provable(common) means has a truth-maker.




    But the problem is you try to make statements that have been shown to
    have a truth-make untrue, because you don't understand the conneciton
    to the truth-maker.


    Your complete ignorance of the philosophy of logic has
    never been my ignorance of logic. Logic says carefully
    memorize the rules and do not violate these rules.

    Philosophy of logic says: What happens when we totally
    change these rules in many different ways?

    Do we get a different result when we totally change all
    of these rules?

    What if unprovable meant untrue?
    Would that get rid of undecidability?




    And thus you admit that NONE of your statement applies to the fields
    they apply to, the field of FORMAL LOGIC.

    Your problem is you don't understand enough about the "rules" of
    Philosophy to know to stay in its realm when you talk.

    Sorry, but you just admitted that you lifes work is just a lie, and that
    you never knew what you were talking about.

    You are just utterly stupid.

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Sat Mar 1 11:25:19 2025
    On 3/1/25 10:03 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 3/1/2025 6:49 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 2/28/25 7:20 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 2/28/2025 5:20 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 2/28/25 5:04 PM, olcott wrote:

    The bottom line here is that expressions that do not have
    a truth-maker are always untrue. Logic screws this up by
    overriding the common meaning of terms with incompatible
    meanings. Provable(common) means has a truth-maker.




    But the problem is you try to make statements that have been shown
    to have a truth-make untrue, because you don't understand the
    conneciton to the truth-maker.


    Your complete ignorance of the philosophy of logic has
    never been my ignorance of logic. Logic says carefully
    memorize the rules and do not violate these rules.

    Philosophy of logic says: What happens when we totally
    change these rules in many different ways?

    Do we get a different result when we totally change all
    of these rules?

    What if unprovable meant untrue?
    Would that get rid of undecidability?




    And thus you admit that NONE of your statement applies to the fields
    they apply to,

    Philosophy of logic corrects the issues with logic.
    When we retain the original meanings of the terms
    then provable(common) is the truth-maker for true(common).

    It is only the weird idiomatic divergence from these common
    meanings of common terms using terms-of-the-art meanings
    that enables incompleteness(math) and undecidability(logic)
    to exist.



    And the Philosophy of Logic has no power of the Logic System that define themselfs. Your problem is it seems you don't even understand the
    Philosophy of Logic, because you can't even use it correctly.

    The fact that you "logic" has been shown to be based on lies, and you
    have never defended those lies by even trying to show a reputable source
    to back them up, just shows that you are nothing but an ignorant
    pathetic pathological lying idiot with a total disregard for the truth.

    That will be your eternal memory that you leave behind.

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