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    From Mikko@21:1/5 to immibis on Thu Feb 29 21:28:10 2024
    On 2024-02-29 10:31:13 +0000, immibis said:

    On 28/02/24 23:18, olcott wrote:
    // Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ copies its input then transitions to Ĥ.Hq0
    // Ĥ.Hq0 is the first state of The Linz hypothetical halt decider
    // H transitions to Ĥ.Hqy for halts and Ĥ.Hqn for does not halt
    // ∞ means an infinite loop has been appended to the Ĥ.Hqy state
    //
    Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.Hq0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.Hqy  ∞ // Ĥ applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ halts
    Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.Hq0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.Hqn      // Ĥ applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ does not halt

    When Ĥ is applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ it contradicts whatever value that Ĥ.H
    returns making Ĥ self-contradictory.

    Turing machine/input pairs are never self-contradictory. Ĥ is only contradictory with its intended specification, which is not itself.

    There is no intended specification of Ĥ.

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    Mikko

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to olcott on Fri Mar 1 13:36:17 2024
    On 2024-02-29 20:08:01 +0000, olcott said:

    On 2/29/2024 1:28 PM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2024-02-29 10:31:13 +0000, immibis said:

    On 28/02/24 23:18, olcott wrote:
    // Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ copies its input then transitions to Ĥ.Hq0
    // Ĥ.Hq0 is the first state of The Linz hypothetical halt decider
    // H transitions to Ĥ.Hqy for halts and Ĥ.Hqn for does not halt
    // ∞ means an infinite loop has been appended to the Ĥ.Hqy state
    //
    Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.Hq0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.Hqy  ∞ // Ĥ applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ halts
    Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.Hq0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.Hqn      // Ĥ applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ does not halt

    When Ĥ is applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ it contradicts whatever value that Ĥ.H >>>> returns making Ĥ self-contradictory.

    Turing machine/input pairs are never self-contradictory. Ĥ is only
    contradictory with its intended specification, which is not itself.

    There is no intended specification of Ĥ.


    Assuming that Peter Linz has a mind then he intended this specification
    Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.Hq0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.Hqy ∞ // Ĥ applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ halts
    Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.Hq0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.Hqn // Ĥ applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ does not halt

    Maybe he can but he doesn't.

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    Mikko

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