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  • Word of the day; "grumous".

    From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 30 21:45:11 2025
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    This, and the related noun grume, are doctors’ (and in particular pathologists’) jargon for a blood clot or any viscous fluid or mass of fluid. but being aware of its existence in English may be helpful for those non-doctors who are familiar with French le grumeau (lump, clot) or Italian
    il grumo (clot (whether milk or blood)).

    It’s an unremarkable borrowing from late Latin, OED describes [ad. late L. grumus little heap, hillock;]. I can’t find any convincing further etymology beyond that.

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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to Aidan Kehoe on Tue Jul 1 19:29:18 2025
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    On 2025-06-30, Aidan Kehoe <[email protected]> wrote:

    It’s an unremarkable borrowing from late Latin, OED describes [ad. late L. grumus little heap, hillock;]. I can’t find any convincing further etymology
    beyond that.

    De Vann in the _Etymological Dictionary of Latin_ (2008):

    ------------------->
    grūmus ‘heap of earth, hillock’ [m. o] (Acc.+)
    Derivatives: dēgrūmare 'to level off (Enn,+).
    PIt. *grōmo- ‘heap’.
    PIE *h₂ǵr-ōm-o-. IE cognates: see s.v. gremium.

    Lat. grumus could be connected with gremium < *grem- and OCS gramada
    ‘heap, pile’ < *grōm-. A preform *grōmos may have turned into grūmus phonetically: the change of *ōm > ūm might also found in hūmānus
    (see s.v. homō). The words that retain -ōm- either have a following
    front vowel (abdōmen, nōmen, fōmes, mōmentum. tōmenium, ōmen, vōmer, cōmis) or are due to a contraction of *o+e (pōmum, prōmus); the
    only exception is Rōma. Thus, the raising of *ō in front of m may
    require the additional condition of a following back vowel (no
    exceptions) or non-front vowel (exception Rōma; but being a name,
    this may have escaped the sound change). For the relevance of the
    vowel in the next syllabe for the a vowel change, compare the change
    *e > o /m,w _ CV[non-front] discussed by Schrijver 1991: 466-470.
    Note also that the raising of *ē to Lat. ī is conditioned in a
    similar way, viz. by -i- in the next syllable,
    Bibl.: WH I: 623, EM 283, IEW 376ff. → gremium
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    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber [email protected]

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 2 06:58:29 2025
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    Ar an chéad lá de mí Iúil, scríobh Christian Weisgerber:

    On 2025-06-30, Aidan Kehoe <[email protected]> wrote:

    It’s an unremarkable borrowing from late Latin, OED describes [ad. late L.
    grumus little heap, hillock;]. I can’t find any convincing further etymology beyond that.

    De Vann in the _Etymological Dictionary of Latin_ (2008):

    ------------------->
    grūmus ‘heap of earth, hillock’ [m. o] (Acc.+)
    Derivatives: dēgrūmare 'to level off (Enn,+).
    PIt. *grōmo- ‘heap’.
    PIE *h₂ǵr-ōm-o-. IE cognates: see s.v. gremium.

    Lat. grumus could be connected with gremium < *grem- and OCS gramada ‘heap, pile’ < *grōm-. [...]

    Thanks!

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    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
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