• Finishing Crystal

    From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 18 09:22:48 2024
    I'm off for a small holiday, back in early January.
    Here are the remaining Days from Crystal's _A Date with Language_:

    Jane Austen born (16/12/1775)
    Dorothy L.Sayers died (17/12/1957)
    Arabic Language Day (18 December)
    Emily Brontë died (19/12/1848)
    Dot Your i's Day (20 December)
    Crossword Puzzle Day (21 December)
    Be A Lover Of Silence Day (22 December)
    Charles-Michel de l'Épée died (23/12/1789)
    William Makepeace Thackeray died (24/12/1863)
    A'phabet Day (25 December)
    Thomas Gray born (26/12/1716)
    Charles Lamb died (27/12/1834)
    Susan Sontag died (28/12/2004)
    Don Marquis died (29/12/1937)
    Rudyard Kipling born (30/12/1865)
    A linguistic New Year's Eve (31 December)
    ...the last including "Happy New Year!" in 50 (mostly European) languages.

    So Happy A'phabet Day and "Vitin e ri!"
    to all at sci.lang.
    Ross

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 18 11:43:18 2024
    Ar an t-ochtú lá déag de mí na Nollaig, scríobh Ross Clark:

    [...] So Happy A'phabet Day and "Vitin e ri!" to all at sci.lang.

    Enjoy your holiday, Ross, best wishes for the season, and thanks for your post over the year.

    --
    ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
    (C. Moore)

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  • From Stefan Ram@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Fri Dec 27 10:13:15 2024
    Ross Clark <[email protected]> wrote or quoted:
    Susan Sontag died (28/12/2004)

    Which is today [2024-12-28] 20 years in the rearview mirror . . .

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Wed Jan 1 01:21:21 2025
    XPost: alt.usage.english, alt.english.usage

    On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 20:22:48 +0000, Ross Clark wrote:

    I'm off for a small holiday, back in early January.
    Here are the remaining Days from Crystal's _A Date with Language_:

    Jane Austen born (16/12/1775)
    Dorothy L.Sayers died (17/12/1957)
    Arabic Language Day (18 December)
    Emily Brontë died (19/12/1848)


    Dot Your i's Day (20 December) ----------- Why this date ?


    Crossword Puzzle Day (21 December) -- Was this the day that famous one
    was published?


    Be A Lover Of Silence Day (22 December) ----------- Why this date ?




    Charles-Michel de l'Épée died (23/12/1789)
    William Makepeace Thackeray died (24/12/1863)
    A'phabet Day (25 December)
    Thomas Gray born (26/12/1716)
    Charles Lamb died (27/12/1834)


    Susan Sontag died (28/12/2004) --- Was she notable to Crystal?



    Don Marquis died (29/12/1937)
    Rudyard Kipling born (30/12/1865)
    A linguistic New Year's Eve (31 December)
    ....the last including "Happy New Year!" in 50 (mostly European)
    languages.

    So Happy A'phabet Day and "Vitin e ri!"
    to all at sci.lang.
    Ross



    "Vitin e ri!" -------- Do lots of Ling-buffs know this lang, or phrase?

    is this Vitin cognate with French venir ?

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  • From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Fri Jan 3 10:53:52 2025
    On 1/01/2025 2:21 p.m., HenHanna wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 20:22:48 +0000, Ross Clark wrote:

    I'm off for a small holiday, back in early January.
    Here are the remaining Days from Crystal's _A Date with Language_:

    Jane Austen born (16/12/1775)
    Dorothy L.Sayers died (17/12/1957)
    Arabic Language Day (18 December)
    Emily Brontë died (19/12/1848)


    Dot Your i's Day (20 December)  ----------- Why this date ?

    Crystal saith not.


    Crossword Puzzle Day (21 December) -- Was this the day that famous one
    was published?

    "The first published crossword puzzle appeared in the edition of the
    _New York World_ newspaper on this day in 1913."


    Be A Lover Of Silence Day (22 December)  ----------- Why this date ?

    "origins...unknown"



    Charles-Michel de l'Épée died (23/12/1789)
    William Makepeace Thackeray died (24/12/1863)
    A'phabet Day (25 December)
    Thomas Gray born (26/12/1716)
    Charles Lamb died (27/12/1834)


    Susan Sontag died (28/12/2004) --- Was she notable to Crystal?


    He doesn't mention any special connection. Just another Literary Person.
    He quotes things she wrote about "style" and "metaphor".

    Don Marquis died (29/12/1937)
    Rudyard Kipling born (30/12/1865)
    A linguistic New Year's Eve (31 December)
    ....the last including "Happy New Year!" in 50 (mostly European)
    languages.

    So Happy A'phabet Day and "Vitin e ri!"
    to all at sci.lang.
    Ross



    "Vitin e ri!" -------- Do lots of Ling-buffs know this lang, or phrase?

    I couldn't say. It's Albanian, the first item on the 50-language list.
    The meager Albanian language resources within a 1m range of my keyboard
    tell me that _vit_ means 'year' and _(i) ri_ means 'new'.

    is this Vitin  cognate with French  venir ?

    No. According to Buck 1940 there's a PIE *wet(es)- which gives us:
    Greek (w)etos 'year'
    Sanskrit vatsa- 'calf (yearling)'
    tri-vatsa- 'three years old'
    Albanian vjet 'year'
    and might be connected with Latin vetus 'old'.
    Watkins 2000 adds English wether (Germanic *wethruz) and Latin vitulus
    'calf, yearling'.

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Fri Jan 3 01:53:48 2025
    XPost: alt.usage.english, alt.english.usage

    On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 21:53:52 +0000, Ross Clark wrote:

    On 1/01/2025 2:21 p.m., HenHanna wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 20:22:48 +0000, Ross Clark wrote:

    I'm off for a small holiday, back in early January.
    Here are the remaining Days from Crystal's _A Date with Language_:

    Jane Austen born (16/12/1775)
    Dorothy L.Sayers died (17/12/1957)
    Arabic Language Day (18 December)
    Emily Brontë died (19/12/1848)


    Two dots over e ------- What ethnicity is that?



    The two dots over the "e" in "Brontë" are called an umlaut or diaeresis. This diacritical mark is not typically associated with
    English names, but rather with Germanic languages.

    However, in the case of the Brontë family, it has a different origin:

    The name "Brontë" is of Irish origin. Emily Brontë's father, Patrick Brontë, was born in Ireland with the surname Brunty or Prunty.
    He changed his name to "Brontë" while studying at Cambridge University,
    likely to make it sound more sophisticated or to distance himself from
    his humble Irish roots.

    The diaeresis over the "e" in Brontë was added by Patrick to
    indicate that the final "e" should be pronounced as a separate syllable,
    rather than being silent as it would typically be in English. This
    modification was intended to guide the pronunciation of their surname, emphasizing its two-syllable nature (BRON-tay).

    So, while the umlaut might suggest a Germanic connection, in
    this case, it's an affectation added to an Irish surname to influence
    its English pronunciation.

    __________________________________________


    Dot Your i's Day (20 December)  ----------- Why this date ?

    Crystal saith not.


    Historical Context:            The phrase "dot your i’s and cross your
    t’s" was first used in an article by William Thackeray in 1849. It
    originally served as a reminder for schoolchildren to pay attention to
    their handwriting, ensuring they completed their work thoroughly.


    ______________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ the dotter of his eyes



    Now is it town again, londmear of Dub-
    lin! And off coursse the toller, ples the dotter of his eyes with
    her: Moke the Wanst, whye doe we aime alike a pose of poeter
    peaced? While the dumb he shoots the shopper rope. And they
    all pour forth.

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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Fri Jan 3 10:28:28 2025
    On 2025-01-02 21:53:52 +0000, Ross Clark said:

    On 1/01/2025 2:21 p.m., HenHanna wrote:

    [ … ]


    "Vitin e ri!" -------- Do lots of Ling-buffs know this lang, or phrase?

    I couldn't say. It's Albanian, the first item on the 50-language list.
    The meager Albanian language resources within a 1m range of my keyboard
    tell me that _vit_ means 'year' and _(i) ri_ means 'new'.

    Google Translate recognizes it as Albanian -- pretty good for such a
    short piece of text with no give-away letters like ë in it.

    is this Vitin  cognate with French  venir ?

    No. According to Buck 1940 there's a PIE *wet(es)- which gives us:
    Greek (w)etos 'year'
    Sanskrit vatsa- 'calf (yearling)'
    tri-vatsa- 'three years old'
    Albanian vjet 'year'
    and might be connected with Latin vetus 'old'.
    Watkins 2000 adds English wether (Germanic *wethruz) and Latin vitulus 'calf, yearling'.


    --
    Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
    in England until 1987.

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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to Athel Cornish-Bowden on Fri Jan 3 19:17:20 2025
    On 2025-01-03 09:28:28 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden said:

    On 2025-01-02 21:53:52 +0000, Ross Clark said:

    On 1/01/2025 2:21 p.m., HenHanna wrote:

    [ … ]


    "Vitin e ri!" -------- Do lots of Ling-buffs know this lang, or phrase?

    I couldn't say. It's Albanian, the first item on the 50-language list.
    The meager Albanian language resources within a 1m range of my keyboard
    tell me that _vit_ means 'year' and _(i) ri_ means 'new'.

    Google Translate recognizes it as Albanian -- pretty good for such a
    short piece of text with no give-away letters like ë in it.

    If your browser didn't display it it properly, the letter is e with a diaeresis.

    is this Vitin  cognate with French  venir ?

    No. According to Buck 1940 there's a PIE *wet(es)- which gives us:
    Greek (w)etos 'year'
    Sanskrit vatsa- 'calf (yearling)'
    tri-vatsa- 'three years old'
    Albanian vjet 'year'
    and might be connected with Latin vetus 'old'.
    Watkins 2000 adds English wether (Germanic *wethruz) and Latin vitulus
    'calf, yearling'.


    --
    Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
    in England until 1987.

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  • From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Sun Jan 5 23:35:36 2025
    On 3/01/2025 10:53 a.m., Ross Clark wrote:
    On 1/01/2025 2:21 p.m., HenHanna wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 20:22:48 +0000, Ross Clark wrote:

    [snip]
    So Happy A'phabet Day and "Vitin e ri!"
    to all at sci.lang.
    Ross



    "Vitin e ri!" -------- Do lots of Ling-buffs know this lang, or phrase?

    I couldn't say. It's Albanian, the first item on the 50-language list.
    The meager Albanian language resources within a 1m range of my keyboard
    tell me that _vit_ means 'year' and _(i) ri_ means 'new'.

    is this Vitin  cognate with French  venir ?

    No. According to Buck 1940 there's a PIE *wet(es)- which gives us:
        Greek (w)etos  'year'
        Sanskrit vatsa-  'calf (yearling)'
            tri-vatsa-  'three years old'
        Albanian vjet  'year'
    and might be connected with Latin vetus 'old'.
    Watkins 2000 adds English wether  (Germanic *wethruz) and Latin vitulus 'calf, yearling'.


    The -in is apparently accusative, so it's just "new year" (object), with
    no "happy".
    It might be like the Russian С новым годом! which is supposed to be a
    reduction of a longer phrase, something like "[I greet you] with the new year!".

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