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Here’s the verb "[to send]" in French, Spanish, and Latin:

French: envoyer

Spanish: enviar

Latin: mittere

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in the USA, We often see signs saying

[Send money overseas -- Cheap and fast!] in Spanish

and it uses a Verb that's unfamiliar to me.

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The med. term Remission is a bit odd, too

just lurking dormant to SEND me more troubles later ???

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On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 18:20:12 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

Here’s the verb "[to send]" in French, Spanish, and Latin:

        French:     envoyer

        Spanish:    enviar

         Latin:     mittere

__________________________________________________

in the USA,  We often see signs saying

            [Send money overseas --  Cheap and fast!]  in Spanish

and it uses a Verb that's unfamiliar to me.

__________________________

The med. term  Remission is a bit odd, too

        just lurking dormant to SEND me   more troubles later ???

The Romance languages got their Latin roots from uneducated soldiers and other people who spoke vulgar Latin.
"Inviare" was vulgar Latin. "In via".
Similarly "caballus" was vulgar Latin >> cheval & caballo.
You can find lots more here; https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Spanish_terms_derived_from_Vulgar_Latin

Ed

Thank you.. That's so interesting....

i was just thinking that...

Okuru (verb) in Jp has 2 meanings
1. Send
2. give a gift


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No, the two meanings of "okuru" (送る) were not originally the same word >>> 1 3. The verb "okuru" has distinct etymological origins for its two
primary meanings:

To send or dispatch (送る)
To give a gift (贈る)

---------- I dont believe this AI... I'll get Second- Op_AI_nion.
or Second- OpiniAIn.
or Second- AIpinion.

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i'm thinking it was the same OKURU in the beginning
unlike the case of BANK

These two meanings of "bank" are not systematically related, which is a
key characteristic of homonyms rather than polysemous words.

______________

Yes, the two common meanings of "bank" (financial institution and river
edge) have different etymological roots[1][2][3].


1. Bank (financial institution):
- Origin: Late 15th century
- Derived from: Old Italian "banca" or French "banque" meaning
"table"
- Ultimate source: Proto-Germanic *bankiz- meaning "shelf" or "bench"


2. Bank (river edge):
- Origin: Early 13th century
- Derived from: Scandinavian sources
like Old Norse "banki" or Old Danish "banke" meaning
"sandbank"
- Ultimate source: Proto-Germanic *bankon meaning "slope"


These two words coincidentally evolved to have the same spelling and pronunciation in modern English, making them homonyms. Their separate
origins and distinct semantic developments classify them as "false
cognates" or "accidental homonyms" rather than related terms[2][3].

Citations:
[1] https://www.etymonline.com/word/river-bank
[2] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bank
[3] https://www.etymonline.com/word/bank
[4] https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/610445/are-the-words-bank-money-and-bank-river-related

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On 12/12/2024 19:20, Ed Cryer wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

<snip>

The Romance languages got their Latin roots from uneducated soldiers and other people who spoke vulgar Latin.
"Inviare" was vulgar Latin. "In via".
Similarly "caballus" was vulgar Latin >> cheval & caballo.
You can find lots more here;
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ Category:Spanish_terms_derived_from_Vulgar_Latin

I don't even have to look at the content of some posts. Just the
formatting of the Subject already tells me the original post was from
the feather-brained Hen. </cluck, cluck>

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On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 17:26:12 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

Here’s the verb "[to send]" in French, Spanish, and Latin:

French: envoyer

Spanish: enviar

Latin: mittere

__________________________________________________

in the USA, We often see signs saying

[Send money overseas -- Cheap and fast!] in Spanish

and it uses a Verb that's unfamiliar to me.

__________________________

The med. term Remission is a bit odd, too

just lurking dormant to SEND me more troubles later ???

The idea with the added re- is that the troubles are sent "back" - hence (momentarily) got rid of - not sent "again".

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On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 9:45:17 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

The med. term  Remission is a bit odd, too

         just lurking dormant to SEND me   more troubles later ???

The idea with the added re- is that the troubles are sent "back" - hence
(momentarily) got rid of - not sent "again".

--

How about "remission of sins"? I can't believe the Christian church was
only giving a short reprieve.
Language is very hard to pin down. It's so volatile.
I always remember Wittgenstein's analysis of the word "game" ("Spiel, I suppose, in his native language). He claimed you couldn't find a core definition for it.

One of the meanings of "remittere" in Latin is "to remove".
Peccata remittere = forgive sins.

Indeed, but likewise re- in "remove" carries the idea of moving "back".

Ed

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On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 23:03:29 +0000, Tony Cooper wrote:

On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 22:52:03 +0000, Ed Cryer <[email protected]>
wrote:

Don't let them drag you down to that level; they'll bore you to death
with their pig ignorance.

Why do people use that expression? Pigs are one of the smartest
animals. In the average pigsty, at least 50% are smarter than the
members of the US House of Representatives, and have a higher IQ than Marjorie Taylor Green, Tommy Tuberville, and Lauren Boebert's added
together.

_____________

PETAp (People for Ethical Treatment of (animals and) Pigs)
and members of ApDL (Anti Pig - Defamation League)

would be happy to know

_________________

The word "porcelain" comes from the clean, smooth, white skin of
Pigs......


primarily associated with fine china and ceramics today, its etymology reveals a fascinating connection to pigs through its
linguistic roots and cultural associations with cowrie shells.



________________________ symbol of Luck !


The German idiom "Schwein haben" literally translates to "to have pig"
but means "to be lucky" or "to have good fortune".

This expression is commonly used in everyday German language to describe situations where someone has unexpected good luck or narrowly avoids misfortune.


_______ Origin and Etymology ___________


The exact origin of this idiom is not definitively known, but there are
several theories:

1. Card game theory: In the 16th century, the ace in card games
was colloquially called "Sau" (sow). Drawing the highest card could
represent good luck.

2. Medieval sports events: The most plausible theory suggests it
comes from consolation prizes at medieval sporting events. The loser
would receive a pig or piglet as a consolation prize, which was valuable
but also associated with mockery.

3. Symbolic meaning: Pigs have long been associated with
prosperity and good fortune in German culture.


__________ Usage and Examples _____________


"Beim Fußballspielen hab ich gestern mächtig Schwein gehabt."


"Da haben wir aber nochmal Schwein gehabt!"


"Ich habe echt Schwein gehabt, dass das Thema in der Prüfung
nicht vorgekommen ist."

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On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 20:37:02 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

Bebercito wrote:

On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 9:45:17 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

The med. term  Remission is a bit odd, too

         just lurking dormant to SEND me   more troubles later ???

The idea with the added re- is that the troubles are sent "back" - hence >>>> (momentarily) got rid of - not sent "again".

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How about "remission of sins"? I can't believe the Christian church was
only giving a short reprieve.
Language is very hard to pin down. It's so volatile.
I always remember Wittgenstein's analysis of the word "game" ("Spiel, I
suppose, in his native language). He claimed you couldn't find a core
definition for it.

One of the meanings of "remittere" in Latin is "to remove".
Peccata remittere = forgive sins.

Indeed, but likewise re- in "remove" carries the idea of moving "back".

It carries a lot of ideas. You can remove sideways, upwards, downwards,
to the future plus more. As well as remove from the face of the earth.

You can remove something from history, from one box to another.

But unlike all the other adverbials you've cited, "back" can denote
the reversal of an action (besides a direction), with the idea being
that if something is removed from somewhere, then it was moved there
in the first place. Where it's removed to doesn't really matter, as
long as the effect of the (implied) initial move is cancelled.

I think if I was writing about someone who constantly changed addresses,
then I'd just used "move".
He moved from one town to another, from one street to the next. He moved again next week.

"Remove" is transitive only; "move" is both transitive and intransitive.

Ed

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Thu, 12 Dec 2024 17:26:12 +0000: HenHanna <[email protected]>
scribeva:

Here’s the verb "[to send]" in French, Spanish, and Latin:
French: envoyer
Spanish: enviar
Latin: mittere

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/inviare#Latin

in the USA, We often see signs saying
[Send money overseas -- Cheap and fast!] in Spanish
and it uses a Verb that's unfamiliar to me.

Which?

--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

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