• occam's Transposal -- (4 notes, 3 notes) (4,4,3,3)

    From HenHanna@21:1/5 to occam on Fri Nov 22 19:38:55 2024
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    occam wrote:
    On 08/11/2024 19:52, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

    Ar an t-ochtú lá de mí na Samhain, scríobh HenHanna:

    > Are you sleeping?
    > Are you sleeping?
    > Brother John
    > Brother John
    > Morning bells are ringing
    > Morning bells are ringing
    > Ding, ding, dong
    > Ding, ding, dong

    Huh, I’d forgotten there were English words to « Frère Jacques ».


    Yes, as there are translations in many other languages.

    None of them start with 'are you sleeping?'. Your erratic source has the third and fourth lines transposed with the first two lines. You can put
    that down to the fact that the clucking Hen is a bit of a ding-dong
    himself. (Hint, the song is called "Frère Jacques".)



    is occam saying it's like this?

    > Brother John
    > Brother John
    > Are you sleeping? ----------- (So hard to sing this way!)
    > Are you sleeping? ----------- (So hard to sing this way!)


    The melody has (4 notes, 3 notes) (4 4 3 (Qrest) 3 (Qrest)) so it
    seems more natural as i have it (above).


    ______________________________

    Frère Jacques (2)
    Dormez-vous? (3)
    Sonnez les matines (5) ------- (6 notes) (6 syllables in English)
    Ding, dang, dong (3)

    _____________________________


    Au clair de la lune,
    Mon ami Pierrot,
    Prête-moi ta plume
    Pour écrire un mot.

    Ma chandelle est morte,
    Je n'ai plus de feu.
    Ouvre-moi ta porte,
    Pour l'amour de Dieu.

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 22 21:01:05 2024
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  • From Peter Moylan@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Sat Nov 23 09:19:56 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english, alt.language.latin

    On 23/11/24 08:01, Ed Cryer wrote:

    London's burning, London's burning.
    Fetch the engines, fetch the engines.
    Fire fire, Fire Fire!
    Pour on water, pour on water.

    How does that resonate in your experience? What images does it conjure
    up for you? What feelings?
    I hope it's more than just sitting around in some junior school hall,
    kids singing a nice tune.

    If that's how you envisage it, then stop cross-posting to our Latin NG.
    We look deeper than that.

    I imagine that HenHanna is posting to alt.language.latin because he's
    been plonked in the other mentioned newsgroups. It's best to ignore him.
    After a while he'll find another group to pester.

    --
    Peter Moylan [email protected] http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW

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