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    From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 21 22:44:29 2024
    Hello. Goodbye.
    Passing over the intrductory paragraph,
    Crystal says a few things about the word "hello".
    Surprisingly late in appearance -- 19th century.
    The first part links back to things like "ha!" "ho!" and "hi!" as
    vocatives and greetings right from OE.
    There may also be a connection with hal/hail greetings meaning "good
    health!.
    In a triumph of English spelling, the word has been spelled with all
    five of the vowels available: hallo, hello, hillo, hollo, hullo.

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  • From Stefan Ram@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Thu Nov 21 13:39:02 2024
    Ross Clark <[email protected]> schrieb oder zitierte:
    In a triumph of English spelling, the word has been spelled with all
    five of the vowels available: hallo, hello, hillo, hollo, hullo.

    According to Kluge, the interjection "Hallo," now part of
    standard German vocabulary, originated in the 15th century.

    It was initially the imperative form of the Old High German
    words "halōn" or "holōn" (similar to modern German "holen,"
    meaning "to fetch"). Kluge suggests it was essentially a call
    to the ferryman, meaning "Fetch (me) over!" with an elongated
    final syllable (pluti), which is why it retains its full form.

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  • From Stefan Ram@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Thu Nov 21 14:36:07 2024
    Ross Clark <[email protected]> wrote or quoted:
    World Hello Day

    Did you all know that "Hello world!" is an anastrophe of
    "world hello"? - A "hello world[ program]" is the first
    program a programmer writes.

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Stefan Ram on Thu Nov 21 19:54:33 2024
    On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 14:36:07 +0000, Stefan Ram wrote:

    Ross Clark <[email protected]> wrote or quoted:
    World Hello Day

    Did you all know that "Hello world!" is an anastrophe of
    "world hello"? - A "hello world[ program]" is the first
    program a programmer writes.


    ------------ (i dn't get it) Oh, you're just saying they are reverse of
    each other.


    World Hello Day is a secular holiday observed annually on November 21,
    to express that conflicts should be resolved through communication
    rather than the use of force. Participants verbally greet ten people or
    more on that day as an expression of the importance of personal
    communication in preserving peace. The annual global event began to be celebrated in 1973 as a response to the Yom Kippur War.

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Fri Nov 22 01:10:28 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english, alt.language.latin

    On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 9:44:29 +0000, Ross Clark wrote:

    Hello. Goodbye.

    ???????????


    Passing over the intrductory paragraph,
    Crystal says a few things about the word "hello".
    Surprisingly late in appearance -- 19th century.
    The first part links back to things like "ha!" "ho!" and "hi!" as
    vocatives and greetings right from OE.
    There may also be a connection with hal/hail greetings meaning "good
    health!.
    In a triumph of English spelling, the word has been spelled with all
    five of the vowels available: hallo, hello, hillo, hollo, hullo.


    (is this last part from you or from Crystal?)


    Hillo was quite common in the 1800's.

    I'm less sure about Hollo.


    1609, “Everie Woman In Her Humor”, in A Collection Of Old English Plays, Vol. IV.‎[1]:
    And then to Apollo hollo, trees, hollo.


    1922, Jacob Grimm, Wilhelm Grimm, Grimm's Fairy Stories‎[2]:
    Presently up came the clerk; and when he saw his master, the parson,
    running after the three girls, he was greatly surprised, and said,
    "Hollo! hollo! your reverence! whither so fast


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    (UK, dated) hello (expressing puzzlement or discovery)
    1897, Richard Marsh, The Beetle:
    ‘Hollo!’ he cried. ‘The blind’s down!’ I had noticed, when we were outside, that the blind was down at the front room window.


    in the S.H. stories, 90% pr 95% of the time,
    This (expressing puzzlement or discovery) is
    what's meant by
    Halloa, or Hullo.


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    the German word "hell" (meaning "light" or "bright") and the English
    word "pale" are unrelated in terms of etymology.

    Etymology:

    adj "hell": The German word comes from the Old High German
    "hella," which is linked to the Proto-Germanic *haljō, meaning "bright"
    or "light."

    "Pale": The English word derives from Old French "pale," which
    comes from Latin "pallidus," meaning "pale" or "faded." This Latin root
    is also connected to the idea of lacking color or brightness.

    _________________________ related to German hell


    Related Words: This root is related to words in other Germanic
    languages, such as:

    Dutch "helder" (clear, bright)

    English "hale" (to be healthy or whole, but not directly related to
    brightness) ??????????????????

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