• Re: World Science Day for Peace and Development (10 November)

    From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Mon Nov 11 11:08:34 2024
    On 2024-11-11 09:43:56 +0000, Ross Clark said:

    zzzzzz....Oh! UNESCO, 2002-

    "It might be thought that language isn't a relevant topic on this day..."
    But Crystal has a few words to say about alternative terms for
    linguistics (or some sub- or super-field thereof) which involve the
    word "science": language science(s), linguistic science, speech
    science, phonetic science

    OK, still boring. Let's move on.

    Best to omit the "science" from all of these.

    "Anything with 'science' in its name isn't a science." See https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/26/not-science/

    Think of Christian Science, social science, political science, etc.

    --
    Athel cb

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  • From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 11 22:43:56 2024
    zzzzzz....Oh! UNESCO, 2002-

    "It might be thought that language isn't a relevant topic on this day..."
    But Crystal has a few words to say about alternative terms for
    linguistics (or some sub- or super-field thereof) which involve the word "science": language science(s), linguistic science, speech science,
    phonetic science

    OK, still boring. Let's move on.

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  • From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to Athel Cornish-Bowden on Tue Nov 12 08:56:45 2024
    On 11/11/2024 11:08 p.m., Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
    On 2024-11-11 09:43:56 +0000, Ross Clark said:

    zzzzzz....Oh! UNESCO, 2002-

    "It might be thought that language isn't a relevant topic on this day..."
    But Crystal has a few words to say about alternative terms for
    linguistics (or some sub- or super-field thereof) which involve the
    word "science": language science(s), linguistic science, speech
    science, phonetic science

    OK, still boring. Let's move on.

    Best to omit the "science" from all of these.

    "Anything with 'science' in its name isn't a science." See https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/26/not-science/

    Think of Christian Science, social science, political science, etc.

    ...not to mention Religious Science (est. 1922), and Dianetics: The
    Modern Science of Mental Health (est.1950), forerunner of S****tology.

    It is also true that in some academic realms, being a Science gets you a
    higher level of funding than being an Art.

    Just where the boundary of "science" is to be drawn is a topic I've long
    since fulfilled my lifetime quota of arguing about.

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Tue Nov 12 04:20:24 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english, alt.language.latin

    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 19:56:45 +0000, Ross Clark wrote:

    On 11/11/2024 11:08 p.m., Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
    On 2024-11-11 09:43:56 +0000, Ross Clark said:

    zzzzzz....Oh! UNESCO, 2002-

    "It might be thought that language isn't a relevant topic on this
    day..."
    But Crystal has a few words to say about alternative terms for
    linguistics (or some sub- or super-field thereof) which involve the
    word "science": language science(s), linguistic science, speech
    science, phonetic science

    OK, still boring. Let's move on.

    Best to omit the "science" from all of these.

    "Anything with 'science' in its name isn't a science." See
    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/26/not-science/

    Think of Christian Science, social science, political science, etc.

    ....not to mention Religious Science (est. 1922), and Dianetics: The
    Modern Science of Mental Health (est.1950), forerunner of S****tology.

    It is also true that in some academic realms, being a Science gets you a higher level of funding than being an Art.

    Just where the boundary of "science" is to be drawn is a topic I've long since fulfilled my lifetime quota of arguing about.



    a big cause of this (debate?) may be about the Terms
    "Wissenschaft" and "science."



    "Wissenschaft" is the German word for "science." However, it
    has a broader meaning than just the natural sciences; it encompasses all
    forms of systematic study and knowledge, including the humanities and
    social sciences. In English, "science" typically refers to empirical and experimental fields, while "Wissenschaft" can refer to scholarly inquiry
    in general.



    Friedrich Nietzsche wrote a book titled Die fröhliche
    Wissenschaft, which translates to The Gay Science in English. Published
    in 1882, it explores themes of art, knowledge, and the nature of
    existence. The term "gay" in this context refers to joyfulness or
    cheerfulness. The work is notable for introducing the idea of the "death
    of God" and reflects Nietzsche's thoughts on the implications of this
    concept for culture and philosophy.


    Wissenschaft als Beruf (translated as Science as a Vocation) is
    a lecture given by Max Weber in 1917.

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 12 06:52:45 2024
    Ar an dara lá déag de mí na Samhain, scríobh Ross Clark:

    On 11/11/2024 11:08 p.m., Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
    On 2024-11-11 09:43:56 +0000, Ross Clark said:

    zzzzzz....Oh! UNESCO, 2002-

    "It might be thought that language isn't a relevant topic on this day..." >> But Crystal has a few words to say about alternative terms for
    linguistics (or some sub- or super-field thereof) which involve the word >> "science": language science(s), linguistic science, speech science,
    phonetic science

    OK, still boring. Let's move on.

    Best to omit the "science" from all of these.

    "Anything with 'science' in its name isn't a science." See https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/26/not-science/

    Think of Christian Science, social science, political science, etc.

    ...not to mention Religious Science (est. 1922), and Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health (est.1950), forerunner of S****tology.

    It is also true that in some academic realms, being a Science gets you a higher level of funding than being an Art.

    Just where the boundary of "science" is to be drawn is a topic I've long since fulfilled my lifetime quota of arguing about.

    For me Computer Science is a science (there are underlying facts that have needed to be discovered by careful study by humans, e.g. the superiority of Quicksort, or the fast inverse square root constant), but when Computer Science is taught at undergraduate level the bulk of the coursework is software development. Software development is not a science, it is a craft.

    --
    ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
    (C. Moore)

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