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“Nil sapientiae odiosius (est) acumine nimio.”


I guess... in Latin texts, you use Sentence-final periods?


wow... One puzzling part is... How is [genitive] working?


Here, "sapientiae" doesn't indicate possession; rather, it
specifies the quality or characteristic that is being considered. It's
more like saying "Nothing is more hateful in terms of wisdom."

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Nil: Neuter accusative singular of "nihil" (nothing)

sapientiae: Genitive singular feminine of "sapientia" (wisdom)

odiosius: Neuter nominative singular comparative of "odiosus" (hateful)

(est): Third person singular present indicative of "esse" (to be) -
often
omitted in Latin

acumine: Ablative singular neuter of "acumen" (sharpness, cleverness)

nimio: Ablative singular neuter of "nimius" (excessive)

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>>> In grammar, the ablative case is a grammatical case for
nouns, pronouns, and adjectives in the grammars of various languages;

it is sometimes used to express motion away from something,
among other uses. The word "ablative" derives from the Latin ablatus,
the perfect, passive participle of auferre "to carry away". Wikipedia

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Op 23/10/2024 om 15:23 schreef HenHanna:

“Nil sapientiae odiosius (est) acumine nimio.”

  I guess... in Latin texts,  you use  Sentence-final periods?

wow...  One puzzling part is... How is [genitive] working?

        Here, "sapientiae" doesn't indicate possession; rather, it specifies the quality or characteristic that is being considered. It's
more like saying "Nothing is more hateful in terms of wisdom."

I think that's a dative here.
Nothing is more hateful to wisdom than...

--
guido wugi

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On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 21:13:19 +0000, wugi wrote:

Op 23/10/2024 om 15:23 schreef HenHanna:

“Nil sapientiae odiosius (est) acumine nimio.”


  I guess... in Latin texts,  you use  Sentence-final periods?


wow...  One puzzling part is... How is [genitive] working?


        Here, "sapientiae" doesn't indicate possession; rather, it >> specifies the quality or characteristic that is being considered. It's
more like saying "Nothing is more hateful in terms of wisdom."

I think that's a dative here.
Nothing is more hateful to wisdom than...

thank you... Dative sounds more right.


“Nil sapientiae odiosius (est) acumine nimio.”

------- this was by E A Poe.


similar sentiment expressed by Bacon, or someone???

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On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 9:51:06 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 21:13:19 +0000, wugi wrote:

Op 23/10/2024 om 15:23 schreef HenHanna:

“Nil sapientiae odiosius (est) acumine nimio.”


   I guess... in Latin texts,  you use  Sentence-final periods?


wow...  One puzzling part is... How is [genitive] working?


         Here, "sapientiae" doesn't indicate possession; rather, it
specifies the quality or characteristic that is being considered. It's >>>> more like saying "Nothing is more hateful in terms of wisdom."

I think that's a dative here.
Nothing is more hateful to wisdom than...

    thank you...  Dative  sounds  more right.


   “Nil sapientiae odiosius (est) acumine nimio.”

           ------- this was by E A Poe.


 similar sentiment  expressed by  Bacon,  or someone???

Very readily construed as genitive case along the lines of "nil novi",
"nil lucri", "nil veri" etc. That construction also makes some kind of
sense semantically, as well as grammatically.

i see... that (genitive) makes (even) more sense...

like [Etwas gutes] in German...

Nichts Gutes kam von Übermäßiger Scharfsinn.
Rien de bon ne vient de l'Acuité Excessive.
Nada bueno vino del Agudeza Excesiva.
Nihil boni venit ex Acumen Excessivo.

It's one of those cases of genuine ambiguity, where I like to go to the source and see the context.

Edgar Allan Poe quotes it in his "The Purloined Letter", and attributes
it to Seneca. But it comes from a dialogue of Petrarch's.

Gaudium: Acutissimum ingenium est mihi.
Ratio: Nil sapientiae odiosius acumine nimio. Nihil vero philosophanti molestius quam sophista

(Joy: My intellect is sharpest.
Reason: Nothing is more hateful to wisdom than too much acumen; nothing
more troublesome to a real thinking person than a sophist.)

I think that pins it down as dative (as wugi claims). Good silver Latin,
and I must admit that Seneca the Stoic does come to mind.

Ed

wow... quite possibly... No person has
gotten to the true original source (fons et origo), until now!

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On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:59:58 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 9:51:06 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 21:13:19 +0000, wugi wrote:

Op 23/10/2024 om 15:23 schreef HenHanna:

“Nil sapientiae odiosius (est) acumine nimio.”


   I guess... in Latin texts,  you use  Sentence-final periods?


wow...  One puzzling part is... How is [genitive] working?


         Here, "sapientiae" doesn't indicate possession; rather, it
specifies the quality or characteristic that is being considered. It's >>>>> more like saying "Nothing is more hateful in terms of wisdom."

I think that's a dative here.
Nothing is more hateful to wisdom than...

    thank you...  Dative  sounds  more right.


   “Nil sapientiae odiosius (est) acumine nimio.”

           ------- this was by E A Poe.


 similar sentiment  expressed by  Bacon,  or someone???

Very readily construed as genitive case along the lines of "nil novi",
"nil lucri", "nil veri" etc. That construction also makes some kind of
sense semantically, as well as grammatically.

i see... that (genitive) makes (even) more sense...

like [Etwas gutes] in German...

Nichts Gutes kam von Übermäßiger Scharfsinn.
Rien de bon ne vient de l'Acuité Excessive.
Nada bueno vino del Agudeza Excesiva.
Nihil boni venit ex Acumen Excessivo.

It's one of those cases of genuine ambiguity, where I like to go to the
source and see the context.

Edgar Allan Poe quotes it in his "The Purloined Letter", and attributes
it to Seneca. But it comes from a dialogue of Petrarch's.

Gaudium: Acutissimum ingenium est mihi.
Ratio: Nil sapientiae odiosius acumine nimio. Nihil vero philosophanti
molestius quam sophista

(Joy: My intellect is sharpest.
Reason: Nothing is more hateful to wisdom than too much acumen; nothing
more troublesome to a real thinking person than a sophist.)

I think that pins it down as dative (as wugi claims). Good silver Latin,
and I must admit that Seneca the Stoic does come to mind.


Ed

wow... quite possibly... No person has
gotten to the true original source (fons et origo), until now!

Mr.Ed Cryer -------- Could you briefly tell me how
you traced it to a dialogue of Petrarch's ?

Did you use a reference book?



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when one notices... (Fall leaves when leaves fall)


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"I might, unhappy word, O me, I might"
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 9:10:41 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:59:58 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

  wow...  quite possibly... No person has
  gotten to the true original source (fons et origo), until now!

Mr.Ed Cryer  -------- Could you briefly tell me how
             you traced it to a dialogue of Petrarch's ?

                   Did you use a reference book?

I used Google, and landed here; https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9236440-nihil-sapientiae-odiosius-acumine-nimio-nothing-is-more-hateful-to

Thereafter a search through Petrarch's Latin texts.

Ed

thank you... i wonder if Poe thought it was by Seneca
or he deliberately placed a Red Herring.

Maybe it is discussed here:

https://www.proquest.com/openview/c7b2dcec43f6a7af224a1d03c333db82


The Motto in Edgar Allan Poe's "The Purloined Letter"

(by) Theodorakis, Stavros.  ANQ; Philadelphia Vol. 22, Iss. 1, (Winter 2009): 25-27.

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