• Henry Fielding died (8/10/1754)

    From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 9 11:38:02 2024
    Sorry, a bit late today, but there's not much here.
    Fielding (author of _Tom Jones_ etc.) wrote an early booklet, _Essay on Conversation_, which is advice on how to manifest "good breeding" when
    taking part in conversation.

    Don't
    - talk more than your share
    - lose your temper or raise your voice
    - boast
    - talk a lot about the "mysteries" of a profession
    to which most of the company do not belong.
    (He thinks lawyers - of which he was one -
    are particularly guilty of this.)

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 9 07:34:19 2024
    Ar an naoiú lá de mí Deireadh Fómhair, scríobh Ross Clark:

    Sorry, a bit late today, but there's not much here.
    Fielding (author of _Tom Jones_ etc.) wrote an early booklet, _Essay on Conversation_, which is advice on how to manifest "good breeding" when taking
    part in conversation.

    Is Dale Carnegie in the book somewhere? He wrote books full of good advice, much of which was language-oriented, and all of which had much more cultural currency than this essay.

    Don't
    - talk more than your share
    - lose your temper or raise your voice
    - boast
    - talk a lot about the "mysteries" of a profession
    to which most of the company do not belong.
    (He thinks lawyers - of which he was one -
    are particularly guilty of this.)

    --
    ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
    (C. Moore)

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Wed Oct 9 17:15:56 2024
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    On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 22:38:02 +0000, Ross Clark wrote:

    Sorry, a bit late today, but there's not much here.
    Fielding (author of _Tom Jones_ etc.) wrote an early booklet, _Essay on Conversation_, which is advice on how to manifest "good breeding" when
    taking part in conversation.

    Don't
    - talk more than your share
    - lose your temper or raise your voice
    - boast
    - talk a lot about the "mysteries" of a profession
    to which most of the company do not belong.
    (He thinks lawyers - of which he was one -
    are particularly guilty of this.)


    interesting... i'm trying to remember ...
    Do lawyers like to [talk shop]?




    title (of Ph.D.(?) thesis) Henry Fielding's interest in law and its
    influence upon his novels

    Date Issued 1943

    Author(s) Edwards, Phyllis Jeanne


    My purpose in writing this thesis is to show Henry
    Fielding's interest in law, his connection with it, the conflict in his
    early life between law and his desire to write, and the way in which he incorporated law and humanitarianism in his writing.

    The method employed in gathering this data was a careful study of the
    body of Fielding's three most outstanding novels, Joseph Andrews, Tom
    Jones and Amelia.

    In each novel all references and applications to the law were considered
    and the major points which he discussed were traced through the novel.
    In these discussions I have covered the prevalence of legal terms,
    corruption of officials, including justices, lawyers, prison keepers and bailiffs, various phases of bribery in courts, dealings with lawyers and
    in the prisons, and the distortion and loopholes in the law itself.


    The line of procedure in the development of this problem was to first
    devote a chapter to the life and background of the lawyer.

    In this chapter his experiences as a political dramatist, a young law
    student, magistrate and novelist, have been discussed.


    The second chapter deals with critical opinions of his general standing
    in the period, the opinions of his contemporaries, and the early
    reception of the three novels under examination.


    Chapter three concerns Fielding's first novel, Joseph Andrews.
    Originally begun with the idea of satirizing Samuel Richardson's novel
    of perfect virtue, Pamela, Fielding developed his novel into an opening
    attack upon the corruption of the law.

    He touches upon the general status of the law among the common people,
    the legal phrases and "gibberish" employed by lawyers to confuse the
    public, the dishonesty of unscrupulous magistrates and lawyers, and the
    amazing power of rank and wealth in the perversion of justice.

    ...............
    ...............



    (Don't) talk a lot about the "mysteries" of a profession

    maybe by "mysteries" he meant
    what we today call "gibberish"

    or shop-talk, jargon, ........

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  • From LionelEdwards@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Wed Oct 9 18:28:30 2024
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    On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 17:15:56 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

    On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 22:38:02 +0000, Ross Clark wrote:

    Sorry, a bit late today, but there's not much here.
    Fielding (author of _Tom Jones_ etc.) wrote an early booklet, _Essay on
    Conversation_, which is advice on how to manifest "good breeding" when
    taking part in conversation.

    Don't
    - talk more than your share
    - lose your temper or raise your voice
    - boast
    - talk a lot about the "mysteries" of a profession
    to which most of the company do not belong.
    (He thinks lawyers - of which he was one -
    are particularly guilty of this.)


    interesting... i'm trying to remember ...
    Do lawyers like to [talk shop]?




    title (of Ph.D.(?) thesis) Henry Fielding's interest in law and its influence upon his novels

    Date Issued 1943

    Author(s) Edwards, Phyllis Jeanne


    My purpose in writing this thesis is to show Henry
    Fielding's interest in law, his connection with it, the conflict in his
    early life between law and his desire to write, and the way in which he incorporated law and humanitarianism in his writing.

    The method employed in gathering this data was a careful study of the
    body of Fielding's three most outstanding novels, Joseph Andrews, Tom
    Jones and Amelia.

    In each novel all references and applications to the law were considered
    and the major points which he discussed were traced through the novel.
    In these discussions I have covered the prevalence of legal terms,
    corruption of officials, including justices, lawyers, prison keepers and bailiffs, various phases of bribery in courts, dealings with lawyers and
    in the prisons, and the distortion and loopholes in the law itself.


    The line of procedure in the development of this problem was to first
    devote a chapter to the life and background of the lawyer.

    In this chapter his experiences as a political dramatist, a young law student, magistrate and novelist, have been discussed.


    The second chapter deals with critical opinions of his general standing
    in the period, the opinions of his contemporaries, and the early
    reception of the three novels under examination.


    Chapter three concerns Fielding's first novel, Joseph Andrews.
    Originally begun with the idea of satirizing Samuel Richardson's novel
    of perfect virtue, Pamela, Fielding developed his novel into an opening attack upon the corruption of the law.

    He touches upon the general status of the law among the common people,
    the legal phrases and "gibberish" employed by lawyers to confuse the
    public, the dishonesty of unscrupulous magistrates and lawyers, and the amazing power of rank and wealth in the perversion of justice.

    ...............
    ...............



    (Don't) talk a lot about the "mysteries" of a profession

    maybe by "mysteries" he meant
    what we today call "gibberish"

    or shop-talk, jargon, ........

    The Tragedy of Tragedies (the Life and Death of Tom
    Thumb the Great, with the annotations of. H. Scriblerus
    Secundusby} is a play well worth reading. Notable not
    least because the protagonist is killed twice.

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