• Re: William Safire died (27/9/2009)

    From Rich Ulrich@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 28 13:13:08 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english, alt.language.latin

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 07:05:50 +0000, HenHanna <[email protected]>
    wrote:


    Safire was known for his prescriptive stance on grammar, which
    emphasizes adherence to established standards. He often critiqued what
    he considered poor usage and was vocal about correct grammar practices, >famously stating, "A preposition is something never to end a sentence
    with".

    Safire's Fumblerules. Facebook yesterday showed me a list of 10 of
    them, giving no attribution. Those did not include my favorites,

    Don't use no double negatives.
    No sentence fragments.

    --
    Rich Ulrich

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  • From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 27 22:33:41 2024
    Frequently mentioned on a.u.e. (less frequently on sci.lang) because of
    his New York Times column "On Language", written from 1979 until his
    death. He had started at the Times as a political columnist; among his
    varied previous occupations, he had written speeches for Richard Nixon
    and Spiro T.Agnew.

    "It started as the usual kind of usage column, addressing traditional complaints, but he developed a witty style that gave him a general appeal....Over the years he became less prescriptive and more
    explanatory, reaching out to linguists as occasion demanded." (Crystal)

    I knew his writings only as quoted on a.u.e. Somewhere I have a
    collection of his columns in book form, but I've never been in the mood
    to read it. (Same goes for other such collections I've accumulated. I
    should get rid of them.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Safire

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Sat Sep 28 07:05:50 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english, alt.language.latin

    On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 10:33:41 +0000, Ross Clark wrote:

    Frequently mentioned on a.u.e. (less frequently on sci.lang) because of
    his New York Times column "On Language", written from 1979 until his
    death. He had started at the Times as a political columnist; among his
    varied previous occupations, he had written speeches for Richard Nixon
    and Spiro T.Agnew.

    "It started as the usual kind of usage column, addressing traditional complaints, but he developed a witty style that gave him a general appeal....Over the years he became less prescriptive and more
    explanatory, reaching out to linguists as occasion demanded." (Crystal)

    I knew his writings only as quoted on a.u.e. Somewhere I have a
    collection of his columns in book form, but I've never been in the mood
    to read it. (Same goes for other such collections I've accumulated. I
    should get rid of them.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Safire


    1. Political Commentary

    Safire often criticized liberals, coining phrases such as
    "nattering nabobs of negativism" and "hopeless, hysterical
    hypochondriacs of history" to label those he disagreed with.

    His language was not only pointed but also intentionally
    provocative, reflecting his conservative stance and willingness to
    engage in politically charged rhetoric.

    2. Support for Israel

    He was a staunch advocate for Israel, a position that he
    articulated through his columns and public statements. In 2005, he
    received the Guardian of Zion Award, recognizing his support for Israel.


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    Safire was known for his prescriptive stance on grammar, which emphasizes adherence to established standards. He often critiqued what
    he considered poor usage and was vocal about correct grammar practices, famously stating, "A preposition is something never to end a sentence
    with".

    His belief in maintaining traditional grammar rules sometimes put
    him at odds with more descriptive approaches, which advocate for
    acceptance of evolving language practices.


    4. Attitude Towards New Words and Phrases

    Although he was a traditionalist in many ways, Safire also
    recognized the inevitability of language change. He would remark on the emergence of new words and phrases, often with a mix of bemusement and critique. For example, he noted how, "When enough people are wrong,
    they're right," indicating his acknowledgment of colloquial usage
    despite his prescriptive tendencies.


    ________________________


    2. Usage of "Like"

    In his discussions, Safire noted that the word "like" was increasingly being used in various grammatical roles, such as a verb, preposition, and interjection, and he criticized this trend.

    He expressed concern that "like" was being used excessively in colloquial speech, stating, "The word [like] is being used as verb,
    preposition and interjection ad nauseam".


    3. Etymology and Language Evolution

    Safire also delved into etymology in his writings. For
    instance, he corrected the common misconception about the word "trivia," stating that its origins were connected to the trivium of the Middle
    Ages rather than the Latin term "tri via".



    ------- in AUE, he was mentioned, regarding what??? (for example)

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