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Le 16/06/2024 à 09:25, HenHanna a écrit :

The verb "donner" (to give) in the present subjunctive mood has
different conjugations for both informal (tutoyement) and formal (vouvoiement) address in French. Here's a breakdown:

Tutoyer (Informal)

Singular:

Je donne que: I give that
Tu donnes que: You give that
Il/Elle/On donne que: He/She/It/One gives that

Plural:
       Nous donnions que: We give that
       Vous donniez que: You give that (formal)
       Ils/Elles donnent que: They give that

Vouvoiement (Formal)

Singular:
Je donne que: I give that
Vous donniez que: You give that
Il/Elle/On donne que: He/She/It/One gives that

Plural:
       Nous donnions que: We give that
       Vous donniez que: You give that
       Ils/Elles donnent que: They give that

Key Differences:

Second-person singular: The main difference lies in the second-person singular conjugation. In tutoyer, it's "tu donnes," while in
vouvoiement, it's "vous donniez."

Third-person plural: Both tutoyer and vouvoiement use the same
conjugation for the third-person plural: "ils/elles donnent." [...]

At bottom, 'tu' is singular and 'vous' is plural. In the present
subjunctive, the conjugation is always 'tu donnes' and 'vous donniez'.
These straightforward forms would be used when addressing, for instance,
one young child or a whole class of young children.

'Vous' in the singular is a layer on top of that, a polite convention
that doesn't affect the underlying conjugation.

The third-person conjugation is unaffected because 'tu' and 'vous' are second-person pronouns.

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My trusty book (paperback) [501 French Verbs] has Donner (page 167)
and has Subjunctives...

but i'm not seeing Doint

Present Subjunctive
(donne, donnions)
(donnes, donniez)
(donne, donnent)

---- how does Tutoyer(informal) vs. Formal work here?


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The verb "donner" (to give) in the present subjunctive mood has
different conjugations for both informal (tutoyement) and formal
(vouvoiement) address in French. Here's a breakdown:

Tutoyer (Informal)

Singular:

Je donne que: I give that
Tu donnes que: You give that
Il/Elle/On donne que: He/She/It/One gives that

Plural:
Nous donnions que: We give that
Vous donniez que: You give that (formal)
Ils/Elles donnent que: They give that


Vouvoiement (Formal)

Singular:
Je donne que: I give that
Vous donniez que: You give that
Il/Elle/On donne que: He/She/It/One gives that

Plural:
Nous donnions que: We give that
Vous donniez que: You give that
Ils/Elles donnent que: They give that


Key Differences:

Second-person singular: The main difference lies in the second-person
singular conjugation. In tutoyer, it's "tu donnes," while in
vouvoiement, it's "vous donniez."

Third-person plural: Both tutoyer and vouvoiement use the same
conjugation for the third-person plural: "ils/elles donnent."



Examples:

Tutoyer:

J'espère que tu donnes de l'argent à des œuvres caritatives.
(I hope you give money to charity.)

Il est important que tu donnes ton avis. (It's important that
you give your opinion.)



Vouvoiement:

J'espère que vous donnez de l'argent à des œuvres caritatives.
(I hope you give money to charity.)

Il est important que vous donniez votre avis. (It's important
that you give your opinion.)

_________________________________


i hope God gives you (informal) good health
-- give me this in both 1. God as Tu, 2 God as Vous


________God as Tu (Informal):

J'espère que Dieu te donne la santé. (J'espère = I hope, Dieu = God, te
= you (informal), donne = gives, la santé = good health)



_______God as Vous (Formal):

J'espère que Dieu vous donne la santé. (J'espère = I hope, Dieu = God,
vous = you (formal), donne = gives, la santé = good health)


____________________________________________
in Outdated conjugation,
(1) J'espère que Dieu te doint ... and (2) ???


Here's the outdated conjugation for the second sentence, using "vous"
(formal) to address God:

Outdated Conjugation (Formal)

J'espère que Dieu vous doint la santé.


Breakdown:

J'espère: This remains the same as the modern French conjugation for "I
hope."

Dieu: This remains the same, referring to God.

vous: This is the outdated formal second-person singular pronoun,
equivalent to "you" in English.

doint: This is the outdated third-person singular conjugation of the
verb "donner" (to give) in the present subjunctive mood. It was used for
both informal and formal address in Old French.



Conclusion: doint is both for God(tu) and God(vous)

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