• Re: How did I miss this =?UTF-8?B?b25lPw==?=

    From ulf_kutzner@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Fri May 3 13:46:06 2024
    Ross Clark wrote:

    April 26, which is the feast day of Stephen of Perm, is celebrated as
    Old Permic Alphabet Day.

    Not mentioned by Crystal. A passing reference by Geoffrey Sampson, in a LinguistList review of a book on Uralic languages, led me to it.

    It was invented in 1372 by the said Saint, in order to write (Old) Komi
    (aka Old Zyrian), a Permic (Uralic) language (making it one of the
    earliest scripts used in that family). It is a rather radical re-shaping

    of Cyrillic, with some elements from other sources. Its use continued
    for about three centuries, after which it was replaced by more normal Cyrillic.

    All this and more at:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Permic_script

    We've already mentioned Hangul Day, celebrated in Korea. Any other
    holidays dedicated to particular scripts?

    What about this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_Slavonic_Alphabet,_Bulgarian_Enlightenment_and_Culture

    Regards, ULF

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  • From ulf_kutzner@21:1/5 to Peter Moylan on Sat May 4 18:31:09 2024
    Peter Moylan wrote:

    On 04/05/24 20:13, Ross Clark wrote:

    There was a Serbian restaurant at one time in Auckland (though
    Croatians are much more numerous here), and the one time we ate
    there, I remember seeing, pinned to the wall, a little poem about
    "Наша Кириллица" (Our (dear?) Cyrillic alphabet). Googling that >> phrase brings up a lot of Russian sites with similar sentiments.

    Looking further into it will show that while the above is basically
    true, it is a lot more complicated.

    (i) They have several different feast days depending on which church
    you ask.

    (ii) They invented two quite different alphabets -- Glagolitic, which
    looks a bit like Elvish; and Cyrillic, which is simpler and more
    obviously based on Greek, and has lasted longer.

    (iii) And maybe they didn't invent them just like that...but such is
    the way of writing systems.

    Yike! I see what you mean by Elvish. The users of Glagolitic must have
    had low reading speeds.

    Now that I've looked it up, I see that I've had a false belief for
    years. I had always believed that Cyrillic was invented by the Greek
    monk Cyril (and, perhaps, his partner Methodius). Now I see that Cyril introduced Glagolitic, and that others later modified his script to turn
    it into Cyrillic.

    That's a little surprising. You'd expect a Greek, faced with the problem
    of creating an alphabet for the Slavs, to come up with something similar
    to the Greek alphabet. (With, of course, additions to deal with the fact
    that the Greek alphabet is too small.) Indeed, Cyrillic does show
    obvious derivation from Greek, but Glagolitic does not.

    For derivations see the following link. (Th/F)ita is obvious. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glagolitic_script#Characteristics

    Regards, ULF

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