• First performance of Shaw's "Pygmalion" (11-4-1914)

    From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 13 13:06:25 2024
    Ah. Memories of perennial points of discussion with PTD on a.u.e.
    Which actual phonetician was the character of Prof. Higgins based on?
    What were Shaw's actual views on English accents and dialects?
    Was "My Fair Lady" meant to have a sly reference to "Mayfair"?
    and probably more.

    But Crystal is interested in one word. This was apparently the talk of
    the town when the play opened. Eliza Doolittle (played by Mrs Patrick
    Campbell) was to speak the line: "Not bloody likely!" The second word
    there was, at the time, not considered printable, nor speakable on the
    stage. She did speak it. Nothing happened. She wasn't arrested, the play
    was not shut down, but people continued to talk about it for years.

    "Bloody" developed its intensifying force in the late 17th century.
    Sometime in the 18th century respectable opinion turned against it, and
    Johnson (1755) labels it "very vulgar".

    I used the word as a youth (in Canada); it was certainly colloquial, but
    not indecent, and in fact seemed to me like an avoidance term, less
    offensive than its alternatives in something like:
    Shut the bloody (*damn) (**fucking) window!

    When I arrived in New Zealand, I was surprised to find that many people
    still considered it "strong language", not suitable for a respectable
    academic. I don't know if it's ever been banned from stage or print
    here. But by now things have changed....

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 13 07:17:24 2024
    Ar an triú lá déag de mí Aibreán, scríobh Ross Clark:

    [...] When I arrived in New Zealand, I was surprised to find that many people still considered it "strong language", not suitable for a respectable academic. I don't know if it's ever been banned from stage or print here. But by now things have changed....

    I never hear it here (west coast of Ireland), even from the 80-somethings and 90-somethings. Do they (did they) use it in the US?

    --
    ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
    (C. Moore)

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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to Aidan Kehoe on Sat Apr 13 14:56:43 2024
    On 2024-04-13, Aidan Kehoe <[email protected]> wrote:

    [...] When I arrived in New Zealand, I was surprised to find that many people still considered it "strong language", not suitable for a respectable
    academic. I don't know if it's ever been banned from stage or print here. But by now things have changed....

    I never hear it here (west coast of Ireland), even from the 80-somethings and 90-somethings. Do they (did they) use it in the US?

    As far as I can tell, "bloody" is not used as a swear word in North
    American English other than in conscious imitation or parody of
    British usage.

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber [email protected]

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