[email protected] wrote:
(Irish, and HE = Hiberno-English)
[gone on me] means something different. -- (close to the opposite in meaning, but prob ultimately from the same Irish expression)
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from P. W. Joyce (1910)
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/34251/34251-h/34251-h.htm
I once heard a grandmother—an educated Dublin lady—say, in >> a charmingly petting way, to her little grandchild who came up
crying:—'What did they do to you on me—did they beat you on me?'
PWJoyce {Page 28} -------- There is an idiomatic use of the Irish preposition [air], 'on,' before a personal pronoun or before a personal name and after an active verb, to intimate injury or disadvantage of some kind, a violation of right or
claim.
Thus, ---------- Do bhuail Seumas mo ghadhar orm
_____________ [ where [orm] is [air me] ],
'James struck my dog on me,' where on me means to my detriment, in
violation of my right, &c. Chaill sé mo sgian orm; 'he lost my knife on me.'
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maybe this [on me] is used by James Joyce
-- Arrah, give over your bloody codding, Joe, says I. I've a thirst on
me I wouldn't sell for half a crown.
-- Give it a name, citizen, says Joe.
re: [Give it a name] ------------ What does this mean? i'd guess it means [Get a drink]
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[air], 'on,' before a personal pronoun or before a personal name and after an active verb, to intimate injury or disadvantage of some kind, a violation of right or claim.
---------------- in English, one way to indicate this sentiment (modality) is...
[ The guy fuc..ing took my laptop. ]
maybe [on me] is used in (std) American English
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in Jp, this sentiment (modality) is... expressed using modality-markers.
( i'm thinking of 3 or 4 of them -- more in dialects)
a Jp modality-marker is like a Verb-suffix or Verb-conjugation.
What is this [on me] (sentiment) -- modality-marker in French, German, Spanish ......... ???
What's the reverse ("for me", to my benefit) ?
HH
--------------- i posted this, but i have trouble understanding what i meant by [air]
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