• Re: (The Tyger by Wm.Blake) -- [Authentic] pronunciation (recording) --

    From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Wed Feb 21 23:23:59 2024
    On 2024-02-20, HenHanna <[email protected]> wrote:

    Tyger Tyger, burning bright,
    In the forests of the night;

    What immortal hand or eye,
    Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

    Was the last vowel in Symmetry... fully like EYE, RYE ?

    Yes, that's the common wisdom. Didn't they already teach you that
    in high school?

    "Symmetry" and "geometry" were borrowed from French into Middle
    English. If they retained word final primary or secondary stress,
    you get /iː/ > /aɪ/ as part of the Great Vowel Shift.

    It's not just the vowel quality. The scansion demands a stressed
    syllable:

    Whát immórtal hánd or éye
    Could fráme thy féarful sýmmetrý?

    I'm actually surprised that none of the poem's readings by famous
    actors that I checked on YouTube rhymed it.


    I am reminded of Michael Jackson's hit "Thriller" that contains
    a spoken word passage performed by Vincent Price:

    Darkness falls across the land
    The midnight hour is close at hand
    Creatures crawl in search of blood
    To terrorize y'all's neighborhood
    And whomsoever shall be found
    Without the soul for getting down
    Must stand and face the hounds of hell
    And rot inside a corpse's shell

    "Blood" and "neighborhood" don't rhyme, but it looks like they
    should? It turns out the song was written by Rod Temperton, who
    was from Lincolnshire, England. That's oop north, which makes me
    suspect that he originally did rhyme those lines.

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber [email protected]

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  • From Ruud Harmsen@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 22 11:51:50 2024
    Wed, 21 Feb 2024 17:32:44 -0800: HenHanna <[email protected]>
    scribeva:

    in one YouTube clip, a guy read it twice, first in RP, second in his >"Northern" pronunciation.


    in another, longer clip, the Scottish guy did talk about the last vowel
    in Symmetry.

    Links might help?
    --
    Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

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  • From Ruud Harmsen@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 22 14:15:25 2024
    Thu, 22 Feb 2024 11:52:40 +0000: [email protected] (HenHanna)
    scribeva:

    Ruud Harmsen wrote:

    Wed, 21 Feb 2024 17:32:44 -0800: HenHanna <[email protected]>
    scribeva:

    in one YouTube clip, a guy read it twice, first in RP, second in his >>>"Northern" pronunciation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3V_zcyRUYc


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvAkFbuFX8A

    Thanks.


    in another, longer clip, the Scottish guy did talk about the last vowel >>>in Symmetry.

    Links might help?

    --
    Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

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