• National Handwriting Day (John Hancock born, 23-1-1737)

    From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 23 12:26:44 2024
    Established by the Writing Instruments Manufacturers Association in
    1977, to encourage handwriting and promote sales of pens, ink, etc.
    Was it already obvious then that handwriting was endangered?

    The date honours John Hancock, first signer of the Declaration of
    Independence. See him here (scroll down for his splendid signature):

    https://www.theconstitutional.com/blog/2020/03/03/john-hancock-one-americas-founding-fathers

    My handwriting ("penmanship") was never any good. The precise
    three-fingertip grip that the books and my teachers prescribed always
    slid down into a kind of 2.5-finger arrangement which they said was the
    source of my problems.

    When I got to university and had to take a lot of notes, cursive
    handwriting just couldn't keep up, so I switched to rapid printing
    (detached letters), which is what I still do when I have to write
    anything by hand. Cursive survives only in my signature, which is now
    sort of recognizable, but completely illegible.

    Meanwhile, my parents had sent me off to do a 2- or 3-week touch typing
    course. This was during summer holidays, and I wasn't enthusiastic, but
    here I actually did learn to do something fairly well with my fingers,
    and I was grateful for this good idea in later years.

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 23 10:28:20 2024
    Ar an tríú lá is fiche de mí Eanair, scríobh Ross Clark:

    [...] Meanwhile, my parents had sent me off to do a 2- or 3-week touch typing course. This was during summer holidays, and I wasn't enthusiastic, but here I actually did learn to do something fairly well with my fingers, and I was grateful for this good idea in later years.

    I think every secondary school should have a typing course, it is a fundamental skill of almost every professional job these days. (Earlier makes less sense since the fingers are not yet adult size.)

    --
    ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
    (C. Moore)

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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Tue Jan 23 13:11:37 2024
    On 2024-01-22, Ross Clark <[email protected]> wrote:

    When I got to university and had to take a lot of notes, cursive
    handwriting just couldn't keep up, so I switched to rapid printing
    (detached letters), which is what I still do when I have to write
    anything by hand. Cursive survives only in my signature, which is now
    sort of recognizable, but completely illegible.

    High school for me, but otherwise the same.

    The cursive handwriting taught in elementary school is apparently
    called "Ausgangsschrift" (starting script) in pedagogical German,
    and the idea seems to be that this will eventually develop into an
    individually convenient form. That never happened for me. I was
    too diligent and painstakingly kept painting the cumbersome forms
    with all their connections and little curlicues. Until I finally
    had enough and to the horror of my parents (and complete disinterest
    of my teachers) made a hard switch to printing and never looked
    back. Later at university people complemented me for my legible
    handwriting.

    I didn't really have a signature either and, as I had to sign papers
    as an adult, sort of purposefully developed one. When my most
    recent tenant (a schoolteacher, in fact) signed her rental agreement
    and associated paperwork, I noticed that she also has the problem
    that she doesn't really have a signature and writes her name too
    neatly.

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber [email protected]

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  • From Tilde@21:1/5 to Aidan Kehoe on Tue Jan 23 21:43:31 2024
    Aidan Kehoe wrote:

    Ar an tríú lá is fiche de mí Eanair, scríobh Ross Clark:
    > [...] Meanwhile, my parents had sent me off to do a 2- or 3-week touch
    > typing course. This was during summer holidays, and I wasn't enthusiastic,
    > but here I actually did learn to do something fairly well with my fingers,
    > and I was grateful for this good idea in later years.

    I think every secondary school should have a typing course, it is a fundamental
    skill of almost every professional job these days. (Earlier makes less sense since the fingers are not yet adult size.)

    In the U.S. at least, that might be semi moot as computers
    and such are fairly common in households at early ages (not
    sure about elsewhere). Might depend on what level of
    proficiency one is thinking of ;)

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 24 10:06:38 2024
    Ar an tríú lá is fiche de mí Eanair, scríobh Tilde:

    Aidan Kehoe wrote:

    Ar an tríú lá is fiche de mí Eanair, scríobh Ross Clark:
    > [...] Meanwhile, my parents had sent me off to do a 2- or 3-week touch
    > typing course. This was during summer holidays, and I wasn't enthusiastic,
    > but here I actually did learn to do something fairly well with my fingers,
    > and I was grateful for this good idea in later years.

    I think every secondary school should have a typing course, it is a fundamental skill of almost every professional job these days. (Earlier makes less sense since the fingers are not yet adult size.)

    In the U.S. at least, that might be semi moot as computers
    and such are fairly common in households at early ages (not
    sure about elsewhere). Might depend on what level of
    proficiency one is thinking of ;)

    My experience (in Western Europe) was the generation whose late teens were just before the advent of the smartphone had excellent typing skills, and those who spent their teen years on smartphones didn’t. Is that different in the US? Are
    the majority of teenagers routinely using desktop computers or laptops recreationally there, or is it smartphones?

    --
    ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
    (C. Moore)

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  • From Antonio Marques@21:1/5 to Christian Weisgerber on Wed Jan 24 12:42:19 2024
    Christian Weisgerber <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2024-01-22, Ross Clark <[email protected]> wrote:

    When I got to university and had to take a lot of notes, cursive
    handwriting just couldn't keep up, so I switched to rapid printing
    (detached letters), which is what I still do when I have to write
    anything by hand. Cursive survives only in my signature, which is now
    sort of recognizable, but completely illegible.

    High school for me, but otherwise the same.

    The cursive handwriting taught in elementary school is apparently
    called "Ausgangsschrift" (starting script) in pedagogical German,
    and the idea seems to be that this will eventually develop into an individually convenient form. That never happened for me. I was
    too diligent and painstakingly kept painting the cumbersome forms
    with all their connections and little curlicues.

    Back in my day, we had to. Any attempt at developing your own fluent style
    was chastised. A matter of some teachers not knowing what they were there
    for.

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  • From Tilde@21:1/5 to Aidan Kehoe on Wed Jan 24 22:32:05 2024
    Aidan Kehoe wrote:
    Ar an tríú lá is fiche de mí Eanair, scríobh Tilde:
    > Aidan Kehoe wrote:
    > > Ar an tríú lá is fiche de mí Eanair, scríobh Ross Clark:
    > > > [...] Meanwhile, my parents had sent me off to do a 2- or 3-week touch
    > > > typing course. This was during summer holidays, and I wasn't enthusiastic,
    > > > but here I actually did learn to do something fairly well with my fingers,
    > > > and I was grateful for this good idea in later years.
    > >
    > > I think every secondary school should have a typing course, it is a
    > > fundamental skill of almost every professional job these days. (Earlier
    > > makes less sense since the fingers are not yet adult size.)
    >
    > In the U.S. at least, that might be semi moot as computers
    > and such are fairly common in households at early ages (not
    > sure about elsewhere). Might depend on what level of
    > proficiency one is thinking of ;)

    My experience (in Western Europe) was the generation whose late teens were just
    before the advent of the smartphone had excellent typing skills, and those who
    spent their teen years on smartphones didn’t. Is that different in the US? Are
    the majority of teenagers routinely using desktop computers or laptops recreationally there, or is it smartphones?

    Couldn't say, that sounds like a good research sort
    of question. Smartphones, i.e, texting activities
    most likely, are not a good comparision with keyboard
    expertise. I was thinking of computers at school as
    well as at home and those are certainly keyboard
    driven. At this point one would need data on percentage
    of homes with computers and schools and at what grade
    they are introduced and used. And it eventually such
    expertise is likely needed in employment...

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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to Christian Weisgerber on Fri Jan 26 09:36:52 2024
    On 2024-01-23 13:11:37 +0000, Christian Weisgerber said:

    On 2024-01-22, Ross Clark <[email protected]> wrote:

    When I got to university and had to take a lot of notes, cursive
    handwriting just couldn't keep up, so I switched to rapid printing
    (detached letters), which is what I still do when I have to write
    anything by hand. Cursive survives only in my signature, which is now
    sort of recognizable, but completely illegible.

    High school for me, but otherwise the same.

    The cursive handwriting taught in elementary school is apparently
    called "Ausgangsschrift" (starting script) in pedagogical German,
    and the idea seems to be that this will eventually develop into an individually convenient form. That never happened for me. I was
    too diligent and painstakingly kept painting the cumbersome forms
    with all their connections and little curlicues. Until I finally
    had enough and to the horror of my parents (and complete disinterest
    of my teachers) made a hard switch to printing and never looked
    back. Later at university people complemented me for my legible
    handwriting.

    I didn't really have a signature either and, as I had to sign papers
    as an adult, sort of purposefully developed one. When my most
    recent tenant (a schoolteacher, in fact) signed her rental agreement
    and associated paperwork, I noticed that she also has the problem
    that she doesn't really have a signature and writes her name too
    neatly.

    My handwriting has deteriorated enormously over the last 20 or 30 years
    (at school I once won a handwriting prize, but that was 65 years ago).
    My signature has changed rather little, however.


    --
    Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
    in England until 1987.

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