El 28/07/2025 a las 13:26, TTman escribió:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup eternal'
to work. Google groups is not an option as the group she wants to
subscribe to is not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx.

She must register there first and configure the server in Thunderbird:
Server name: news.eternal-september.org
Port: 119

--
Saludos
Miguel Gimenez

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On 7/28/2025 4:26 AM, TTman wrote:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup eternal' to work. Google groups is not an option as the group she wants to subscribe to is
not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx.

You (she) needs access to a news server. I think eternal-september.org
is the last of the freebies still in operation.

visit http://eternal-september.org (note the TLD is org not com)
click on "User Registration"
Provide a first/last name, a valid email address and a desired
moniker (User ID). Solve the captcha and wait for a confirmation.

Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears
in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law. It presently contains
just three posts (over the course of a couple of years), all from what
appears to be the same individual (who can't seem to settle on what
his real name MIGHT be):

Nicholas Collin Paul de Glouceſter
Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester
Colin Paul de Glouceſter

All three messages appear to be spam -- each cross-posted to several other newsgroups; the originator trying to capitalize on a free publication medium
to "vent".

You may want to check for yourself (subscribe to the group in YOUR copy
of thunderbird) and possibly CC her on the contents of that group.

*OR*, dig around for the name of the group in which her interests REALLY
lie to save her the frustration of not(?) finding it.

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On 2025-07-28 14:08, Don Y wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:26 AM, TTman wrote:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup
eternal' to work. Google groups is not an option as the group she
wants to subscribe to is not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx.

You (she) needs access to a news server.  I think eternal-september.org
is the last of the freebies still in operation.

visit http://eternal-september.org  (note the TLD is org not com)
click on "User Registration"
Provide a first/last name, a valid email address and a desired
moniker (User ID).  Solve the captcha and wait for a confirmation.

Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears
in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law.

I see an uk.legal.moderated, but I'm not using ES.



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Cheers, Carlos.

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Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:

On 2025-07-28 14:08, Don Y wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:26 AM, TTman wrote:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup
eternal' to work. Google groups is not an option as the group she
wants to subscribe to is not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx.

You (she) needs access to a news server.  I think eternal-september.org
is the last of the freebies still in operation.

visit http://eternal-september.org  (note the TLD is org not com)
click on "User Registration"
Provide a first/last name, a valid email address and a desired
moniker (User ID).  Solve the captcha and wait for a confirmation.

Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears
in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law.

I see an uk.legal.moderated, but I'm not using ES.

It’s on ES. Looks pretty active—it’s still downloading, but there were 300ish posts in one week last January.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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On 7/28/2025 6:13 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-28 14:08, Don Y wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:26 AM, TTman wrote:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup eternal' to >>> work. Google groups is not an option as the group she wants to subscribe to >>> is not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx.

You (she) needs access to a news server.  I think eternal-september.org
is the last of the freebies still in operation.

visit http://eternal-september.org  (note the TLD is org not com)
click on "User Registration"
Provide a first/last name, a valid email address and a desired
moniker (User ID).  Solve the captcha and wait for a confirmation.

Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears
in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law.

I see an uk.legal.moderated, but I'm not using ES.

The OP said "Alt UK Legal Moderated". So, is the desired group in the
alt.* or uk.*?

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In message <10680q7$3h9cj$[email protected]>, Don Y
<[email protected]d> writes

On 7/28/2025 6:13 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-28 14:08, Don Y wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:26 AM, TTman wrote:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup >>>>eternal' to work. Google groups is not an option as the group she >>>>wants to subscribe to is not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx.

You (she) needs access to a news server.� I think eternal-september.org
is the last of the freebies still in operation.

visit http://eternal-september.org� (note the TLD is org not com)
click on "User Registration"
Provide a first/last name, a valid email address and a desired
moniker (User ID).� Solve the captcha and wait for a confirmation.

Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears
in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law.

I see an uk.legal.moderated, but I'm not using ES.

The OP said "Alt UK Legal Moderated". So, is the desired group in the
alt.* or uk.*?

There's no such group. It's uk.legal.moderated.


Https://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.legal.moderated.html

it's part of the UK USENET hierarchy - not the Big 8 or the alt.*
hierarchies

It's no longer possible to access USENET via googlegroups which is quite probably a Good Thing .

Brian



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Brian Howie

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On 7/28/2025 3:10 PM, TTman wrote:

Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears
in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law.  It presently contains
just three posts (over the course of a couple of years), all from what
appears to be the same individual (who can't seem to settle on what
his real name MIGHT be):

Nicholas Collin Paul de Glouceſter
Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester
Colin Paul de Glouceſter

All three messages appear to be spam -- each cross-posted to several other >> newsgroups; the originator trying to capitalize on a free publication medium >> to "vent".

You may want to check for yourself (subscribe to the group in YOUR copy
of thunderbird) and possibly CC her on the contents of that group.

*OR*, dig around for the name of the group in which her interests REALLY
lie to save her the frustration of not(?) finding it.

Sorry, the correct name is u.l.moderated.

Important detail that would easily have left her lost.

You'll note there isn't a netbsd.devel.pkgsrc.user newsgroup (despite my subscribing to one).

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On 29/07/2025 7:36 am, brian wrote:

In message <10680q7$3h9cj$[email protected]>, Don Y <[email protected]d> writes

On 7/28/2025 6:13 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-28 14:08, Don Y wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:26 AM, TTman wrote:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup
eternal' to  work. Google groups is not an option as the group she
wants to subscribe to  is not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx. >>>>

You (she) needs access to a news server.  I think eternal-september.org >>>> is the last of the freebies still in operation.

visit http://eternal-september.org  (note the TLD is org not com)
click on "User Registration"
Provide a first/last name, a valid email address and a desired
moniker (User ID).  Solve the captcha and wait for a confirmation.

Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears
in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law.

 I see an uk.legal.moderated, but I'm not using ES.

The OP said "Alt UK Legal Moderated".  So, is the desired group in the
alt.* or uk.*?

There's no such group. It's uk.legal.moderated.

Https://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.legal.moderated.html

it's part of the UK USENET hierarchy - not the Big 8 or the alt.*
hierarchies

It's no longer possible to access USENET via googlegroups which is quite probably a Good Thing .

Sci.electronics.design on google groups worked fine until the spammers
found it, and google didn't bother to work out a way to block them, but
just stopped it accepting new posts.

Sci.electronics.design on google groups was easier to use and easier to
read and some of the people who posted to it didn't like this. I'm not
one of thydney

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"Bill Sloman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:1069vt6$2hasm$[email protected]...

On 29/07/2025 7:36 am, brian wrote:

In message <10680q7$3h9cj$[email protected]>, Don Y <[email protected]d> writes

On 7/28/2025 6:13 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-28 14:08, Don Y wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:26 AM, TTman wrote:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup eternal' to work. Google groups is not an option as the group
she wants to subscribe to is not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx. >>>>>

You (she) needs access to a news server. I think eternal-september.org >>>>> is the last of the freebies still in operation.

visit http://eternal-september.org (note the TLD is org not com)
click on "User Registration"
Provide a first/last name, a valid email address and a desired
moniker (User ID). Solve the captcha and wait for a confirmation.

Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears >>>>> in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law.

I see an uk.legal.moderated, but I'm not using ES.

The OP said "Alt UK Legal Moderated". So, is the desired group in the
alt.* or uk.*?

There's no such group. It's uk.legal.moderated.


Https://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.legal.moderated.html

it's part of the UK USENET hierarchy - not the Big 8 or the alt.* hierarchies

It's no longer possible to access USENET via googlegroups which is quite probably a Good Thing .

Sci.electronics.design on google groups worked fine until the spammers found it, and google didn't bother to work out a way to
block them, but just stopped it accepting new posts.

Sci.electronics.design on google groups was easier to use and easier to read and some of the people who posted to it didn't like
this. I'm not one of thydney

I'm not one of thydney either, whatever that is, but anyone who
doesn't want to bother with a Usenet client might find this useful:

https://newsgrouper.org/help.htm

I haven't used it myself.

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On 29/07/2025 7:36 am, brian wrote:

In message <10680q7$3h9cj$[email protected]>, Don Y

<[email protected]d> writes

On 7/28/2025 6:13 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-28 14:08, Don Y wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:26 AM, TTman wrote:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup

eternal' to work. Google groups is not an option as the group she wants
to subscribe to is not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx.

You (she) needs access to a news server. I think

eternal-september.org

is the last of the freebies still in operation.

visit http://eternal-september.org (note the TLD is org not com)
click on "User Registration"
Provide a first/last name, a valid email address and a desired
moniker (User ID). Solve the captcha and wait for a confirmation.

Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears
in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law.

I see an uk.legal.moderated, but I'm not using ES.

The OP said "Alt UK Legal Moderated". So, is the desired group in the
alt.* or uk.*?

There's no such group. It's uk.legal.moderated.

Https://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.legal.moderated.html

it's part of the UK USENET hierarchy - not the Big 8 or the alt.*

hierarchies

It's no longer possible to access USENET via googlegroups which is

quite probably a Good Thing .

Sci.electronics.design on google groups worked fine until the spammers
found it, and google didn't bother to work out a way to block them, but
just stopped it accepting new posts.

Sci.electronics.design on google groups was easier to use and easier to
read and some of the people who posted to it didn't like this. I'm not
one of them.

This is a re-post. My first attempt lost the last three characters of
text and most of signature line, creating the non-word that Edward Rawde objected to. It may have been some odd kind of typo - it certainly
wasn't intentional.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On 29-07-2025 03:43 am, TTman wrote:

On 28/07/2025 14:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-28 14:08, Don Y wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:26 AM, TTman wrote:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup
eternal' to work. Google groups is not an option as the group she
wants to subscribe to is not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx.

You (she) needs access to a news server.  I think eternal-september.org >>> is the last of the freebies still in operation.

visit http://eternal-september.org  (note the TLD is org not com)
click on "User Registration"
Provide a first/last name, a valid email address and a desired
moniker (User ID).  Solve the captcha and wait for a confirmation.

Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears
in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law.

I see an uk.legal.moderated, but I'm not using ES.

What are you using ? That's the right newsgroup....

Carlos seems to be using Tweaknews. So do I, and they have
uk.legal.moderated.

Tweaknews is not free but you can buy a block account for a nominal fee
and it's more than enough for a light user. I bought a 10GB block
account for 2.00 euros back in Feb 2018. Admittedly I haven't been very
active on Usenet these past few years and I still have more than I paid
for! - 10.46GB to be precise.

Tweaknews is fast and reliable in my experience. 5000-day retention.
They have their own free newsreader; haven't tried it myself though.

One thing I've noticed is that the first post in a session sometimes
fails to go through. A second attempt always succeeds even if it's made immediately after the first one.

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On 2025-07-29 20:51, Pimpom wrote:

On 29-07-2025 03:43 am, TTman wrote:

On 28/07/2025 14:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-28 14:08, Don Y wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:26 AM, TTman wrote:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup
eternal' to work. Google groups is not an option as the group she
wants to subscribe to is not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx.

You (she) needs access to a news server.  I think eternal-september.org >>>> is the last of the freebies still in operation.

visit http://eternal-september.org  (note the TLD is org not com)
click on "User Registration"
Provide a first/last name, a valid email address and a desired
moniker (User ID).  Solve the captcha and wait for a confirmation.

Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears
in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law.

I see an uk.legal.moderated, but I'm not using ES.

What are you using ? That's the right newsgroup....

Carlos seems to be using Tweaknews. So do I, and they have uk.legal.moderated.

No, I am using "individual.net".

Tweaknews is not free but you can buy a block account for a nominal fee
and it's more than enough for a light user. I bought a 10GB block
account for 2.00 euros back in Feb 2018. Admittedly I haven't been very active on Usenet these past few years and I still have more than I paid
for! - 10.46GB to be precise.

Tweaknews is fast and reliable in my experience. 5000-day retention.
They have their own free newsreader; haven't tried it myself though.

One thing I've noticed is that the first post in a session sometimes
fails to go through. A second attempt always succeeds even if it's made immediately after the first one.

"individual.net" is 10€/year.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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On 30-07-2025 02:01 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-29 20:51, Pimpom wrote:

On 29-07-2025 03:43 am, TTman wrote:

On 28/07/2025 14:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:

I see an uk.legal.moderated, but I'm not using ES.

What are you using ? That's the right newsgroup....

Carlos seems to be using Tweaknews. So do I, and they have
uk.legal.moderated.

No, I am using "individual.net".

Ah, I see. When you didn't answer TTman's question immediately, I took
the liberty of tracing the source of your post. But I made a mistake
there. The first line says it's coming from Tweaknews, but I forgot that
that's my own newsserver. I didn't see the X-Trace result down below
saying it's individual.net. I'm rusty with Usenet.

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On 28/07/2025 14:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-28 14:08, Don Y wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:26 AM, TTman wrote:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup
eternal' to work. Google groups is not an option as the group she
wants to subscribe to is not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx.

You (she) needs access to a news server.  I think eternal-september.org
is the last of the freebies still in operation.

visit http://eternal-september.org  (note the TLD is org not com)
click on "User Registration"
Provide a first/last name, a valid email address and a desired
moniker (User ID).  Solve the captcha and wait for a confirmation.

Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears
in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law.

I see an uk.legal.moderated, but I'm not using ES.

ulm is on Eternal September and freely available. I'm using ES.

However the huge number of spelling mistakes in the OP's question and
subject heading would be more than enough to prevent it from working.

uk.legal.moderated is quite distinct from alt.*.totalcrap

which of them is she trying to access?

--
Martin Brown

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On 7/30/2025 3:29 PM, TTman wrote:

uk.legal.moderated is quite distinct from alt.*.totalcrap

which of them is she trying to access?

u.l.moderated... but that's not the issue. the issue is being able to find a simple reader . I will have to prompt her, best I can, to get Thunderbird +ES working. It's years since I did it.

Is she nearby? Perhaps just *do it* for her.

If remote, perhaps set up a RDP session? Or, chat (via email) as YOU do a step and tell her to repeat that step -- confirming with a description of what
the display should look like.

The wisest approach is usually to plead ignorance of All Things Computer! :> (sort of like claiming NOT to know how TVs work lest you were forever
repairing TVs for friends and relatives)

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TTman <[email protected]> wrote:

On 30/07/2025 20:59, Martin Brown wrote:

On 28/07/2025 14:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-28 14:08, Don Y wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:26 AM, TTman wrote:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup
eternal' to work. Google groups is not an option as the group she
wants to subscribe to is not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx.

You (she) needs access to a news server.  I think eternal-september.org >>>> is the last of the freebies still in operation.

visit http://eternal-september.org  (note the TLD is org not com)
click on "User Registration"
Provide a first/last name, a valid email address and a desired
moniker (User ID).  Solve the captcha and wait for a confirmation.

Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears
in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law.

I see an uk.legal.moderated, but I'm not using ES.

ulm is on Eternal September and freely available. I'm using ES.

However the huge number of spelling mistakes in the OP's question and
subject heading would be more than enough to prevent it from working.

uk.legal.moderated is quite distinct from alt.*.totalcrap

which of them is she trying to access?

u.l.moderated... but that's not the issue. the issue is being able to
find a simple reader . I will have to prompt her, best I can, to get Thunderbird +ES working. It's years since I did it.

I use Thunderbird on desktop/laptops but for simplicity NewsTapLite on iPhone/ipad is hard to beat. One eternal September account serves both.


--
piglet

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piglet <[email protected]> wrote:

TTman <[email protected]> wrote:

On 30/07/2025 20:59, Martin Brown wrote:

On 28/07/2025 14:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-28 14:08, Don Y wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:26 AM, TTman wrote:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup
eternal' to work. Google groups is not an option as the group she
wants to subscribe to is not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx. >>>>>

You (she) needs access to a news server.� I think eternal-september.org >>>>> is the last of the freebies still in operation.

visit http://eternal-september.org� (note the TLD is org not com)
click on "User Registration"
Provide a first/last name, a valid email address and a desired
moniker (User ID).� Solve the captcha and wait for a confirmation.

Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears >>>>> in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law.

I see an uk.legal.moderated, but I'm not using ES.

ulm is on Eternal September and freely available. I'm using ES.

However the huge number of spelling mistakes in the OP's question and
subject heading would be more than enough to prevent it from working.

uk.legal.moderated is quite distinct from alt.*.totalcrap

which of them is she trying to access?

u.l.moderated... but that's not the issue. the issue is being able to
find a simple reader . I will have to prompt her, best I can, to get
Thunderbird +ES working. It's years since I did it.

I use Thunderbird on desktop/laptops but for simplicity NewsTapLite on iPhone/ipad is hard to beat. One eternal September account serves both.

Seconded.

Recent Thunderbirds have some quadratic algo in the guts that makes them
very slow on groups with many posts in the archive.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
(via NewsTap)

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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In message <1068sn7$2bisk$[email protected]>, TTman
<[email protected]> writes

On 28/07/2025 14:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-28 14:08, Don Y wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:26 AM, TTman wrote:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup >>>>eternal' to work. Google groups is not an option as the group she
wants to subscribe to is not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx.

You (she) needs access to a news server.� I think eternal-september.org
is the last of the freebies still in operation.

visit http://eternal-september.org� (note the TLD is org not com)
click on "User Registration"
Provide a first/last name, a valid email address and a desired
moniker (User ID).� Solve the captcha and wait for a confirmation.

Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears
in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law.

I see an uk.legal.moderated, but I'm not using ES.

What are you using ? That's the right newsgroup....

I use Eternal September . My client is Turnpike, Thuderbird works too.

News.newsfrontnet also carries it

Xref: news.netfront.net uk.legal.moderated

Brian
--
Brian Howie

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On 7/31/25 9:06 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote:

piglet <[email protected]> wrote:

TTman <[email protected]> wrote:

On 30/07/2025 20:59, Martin Brown wrote:

On 28/07/2025 14:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-28 14:08, Don Y wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:26 AM, TTman wrote:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup
eternal' to work. Google groups is not an option as the group she >>>>>>> wants to subscribe to is not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx. >>>>>>

You (she) needs access to a news server.� I think eternal-september.org
is the last of the freebies still in operation.

visit http://eternal-september.org� (note the TLD is org not com) >>>>>> click on "User Registration"
Provide a first/last name, a valid email address and a desired
moniker (User ID).� Solve the captcha and wait for a confirmation. >>>>>>
Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears >>>>>> in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law.

I see an uk.legal.moderated, but I'm not using ES.

ulm is on Eternal September and freely available. I'm using ES.

However the huge number of spelling mistakes in the OP's question and
subject heading would be more than enough to prevent it from working.

uk.legal.moderated is quite distinct from alt.*.totalcrap

which of them is she trying to access?

u.l.moderated... but that's not the issue. the issue is being able to
find a simple reader . I will have to prompt her, best I can, to get
Thunderbird +ES working. It's years since I did it.

I use Thunderbird on desktop/laptops but for simplicity NewsTapLite on
iPhone/ipad is hard to beat. One eternal September account serves both.

Seconded.

Recent Thunderbirds have some quadratic algo in the guts that makes them
very slow on groups with many posts in the archive.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
(via NewsTap)

Thunderbird has been painfully slow slow for forever deleting large
numbers of messages. Never timed it to see if it was quadratic or worse
back then but there was actually a noticeable speedup about two or three
months ago. I did time it recently and it seems to be quadratic but on
my old pc deleting 30,000 message headers still takes about four
minutes. That's much better than thirty, so yay, I guess, but why so
slow in the first place?

--
Regards,
Carl

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On 7/31/25 15:06, Phil Hobbs wrote:

piglet <[email protected]> wrote:

TTman <[email protected]> wrote:

On 30/07/2025 20:59, Martin Brown wrote:

On 28/07/2025 14:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-28 14:08, Don Y wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:26 AM, TTman wrote:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup
eternal' to work. Google groups is not an option as the group she >>>>>>> wants to subscribe to is not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx. >>>>>>

You (she) needs access to a news server.� I think eternal-september.org
is the last of the freebies still in operation.

visit http://eternal-september.org� (note the TLD is org not com) >>>>>> click on "User Registration"
Provide a first/last name, a valid email address and a desired
moniker (User ID).� Solve the captcha and wait for a confirmation. >>>>>>
Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears >>>>>> in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law.

I see an uk.legal.moderated, but I'm not using ES.

ulm is on Eternal September and freely available. I'm using ES.

However the huge number of spelling mistakes in the OP's question and
subject heading would be more than enough to prevent it from working.

uk.legal.moderated is quite distinct from alt.*.totalcrap

which of them is she trying to access?

u.l.moderated... but that's not the issue. the issue is being able to
find a simple reader . I will have to prompt her, best I can, to get
Thunderbird +ES working. It's years since I did it.

I use Thunderbird on desktop/laptops but for simplicity NewsTapLite on
iPhone/ipad is hard to beat. One eternal September account serves both.

Seconded.

Recent Thunderbirds have some quadratic algo in the guts that makes them
very slow on groups with many posts in the archive.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
(via NewsTap)

Modern software tends to litter its environment to the point of
getting mired. Progress.

I periodically unsubscribe from sluggish newsgroups, terminate
thunderbird, delete all files associated with the group in .thunderbird/<hash>.default/News/<server>, then resubscribe and
mark everything as read. That cures the sluggishness.

Maybe there are better ways, I dont't know.

Jeroen Belleman

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On 2025-07-31 15:06, Phil Hobbs wrote:

piglet <[email protected]> wrote:

TTman <[email protected]> wrote:

I use Thunderbird on desktop/laptops but for simplicity NewsTapLite on
iPhone/ipad is hard to beat. One eternal September account serves both.

Seconded.

Recent Thunderbirds have some quadratic algo in the guts that makes them
very slow on groups with many posts in the archive.

I haven't noticed, but my setup is peculiar.

Using Linux, I have a local usenet proxy server, "leafnode" that does
all the storage. Thunderbird is set to cache only metadata, not message contents. The caveat is I can not do content search.

For instance, on this group TB says I have 95961 unread posts.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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On 7/31/2025 1:34 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

I haven't noticed, but my setup is peculiar.

Using Linux, I have a local usenet proxy server, "leafnode" that does all the storage. Thunderbird is set to cache only metadata, not message contents. The caveat is I can not do content search.

I use something similar -- though for different reasons.
I've an agent (headless) that just grabs posts periodically
(as well as when a client goes looking for content).

The agent has "learned" which posts I am likely to want to see
and shows me those subject lines -- much like an initial
connection to a newsgroup server would do.

It, then, watches to see which posts I show an interest in
and pulls down the additional content in a true agent role
(i.e., ES thinks *it* is their client; and it thinks TB
is it's client)

If I choose (using whatever criteria I deem appropriate *now*)
not to view a post, then the agent updates its knowledge of my
preferences to reinforce a lack of interest in "that" post.

As a result, posts that it deems not interesting to me never
are SHOWN to me. So, it looks like there are fewer posts
than there actually might be, on the (ES) server.

I used this to prototype the algorithm that screens my incoming
phone calls. I.e., if I never answer calls from particular
numbers (or, from particular VOICES or discussing particular
content), then don't bother ringing my phone. ANSWER the
incoming phone call (if you need something more than the CID)
and make your "ring through" decision, there.

Update your understanding of my preferences based on the
calls that you *do* ring through and how I treat *those*.

E.g., someone who owned the number previously must have incurred
student debt -- and has been avoiding paying it back. We no
longer are "bothered" by those calls as the "attendant"
notices them and just never disturbs us (or the answering
machine) with them.

[You can see how USENET would be a great simulator for
unsolicited incoming "contacts" -- far quicker to train
an agent than relying on a volume of telephone contacts!]

[[Amusing side effect: Once an agent has "learned" of your
preference NOT to field contacts from a particular source,
they cease to exist -- so, you have no *implicit* mechanism to
reinforce a desire *to* receive them; you're never given that
option because those would represent "unwanted disturbances".
I'm still debating as to whether or not I *should* fix this...]]

For instance, on this group TB says I have 95961 unread posts.

I see just a handful each day. The more prolific the poster,
the quicker their posts are elided ("Oh, he didn't read THAT
post, either!")

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On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 21:12:04 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<[email protected]> wrote:

On 7/31/25 15:06, Phil Hobbs wrote:

piglet <[email protected]> wrote:

TTman <[email protected]> wrote:

On 30/07/2025 20:59, Martin Brown wrote:

On 28/07/2025 14:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-28 14:08, Don Y wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:26 AM, TTman wrote:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup >>>>>>>> eternal' to work. Google groups is not an option as the group she >>>>>>>> wants to subscribe to is not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx. >>>>>>>

You (she) needs access to a news server.? I think eternal-september.org >>>>>>> is the last of the freebies still in operation.

visit http://eternal-september.org? (note the TLD is org not com) >>>>>>> click on "User Registration"
Provide a first/last name, a valid email address and a desired
moniker (User ID).? Solve the captcha and wait for a confirmation. >>>>>>>
Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears >>>>>>> in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law.

I see an uk.legal.moderated, but I'm not using ES.

ulm is on Eternal September and freely available. I'm using ES.

However the huge number of spelling mistakes in the OP's question and >>>>> subject heading would be more than enough to prevent it from working. >>>>>
uk.legal.moderated is quite distinct from alt.*.totalcrap

which of them is she trying to access?

u.l.moderated... but that's not the issue. the issue is being able to
find a simple reader . I will have to prompt her, best I can, to get
Thunderbird +ES working. It's years since I did it.

I use Thunderbird on desktop/laptops but for simplicity NewsTapLite on
iPhone/ipad is hard to beat. One eternal September account serves both.

Seconded.

Recent Thunderbirds have some quadratic algo in the guts that makes them
very slow on groups with many posts in the archive.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
(via NewsTap)

Modern software tends to litter its environment to the point of
getting mired. Progress.

I periodically unsubscribe from sluggish newsgroups, terminate
thunderbird, delete all files associated with the group in >.thunderbird/<hash>.default/News/<server>, then resubscribe and
mark everything as read. That cures the sluggishness.

Hmm. It's a good idea for many things.

The problem is that scalable algorithms can be far more complex than
quick algorithms, so guess which usually win?

Slowness and instability are often caused by memory leaks as well.

Maybe there are better ways, I dont't know.

In the realtime world, we find that many things are best implemented
as a bidirectional linked-list block FIFO, with access to both ends.
This architecture has O[1] scaling, right down to the last block,
which allows graceful behavior even when overloaded.

Joe

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On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 21:12:04 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<[email protected]> wrote:

On 7/31/25 15:06, Phil Hobbs wrote:

piglet <[email protected]> wrote:

TTman <[email protected]> wrote:

On 30/07/2025 20:59, Martin Brown wrote:

On 28/07/2025 14:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-28 14:08, Don Y wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:26 AM, TTman wrote:

An elderly friend is struggling to get Thunderbird+ 'News goup >>>>>>>> eternal' to work. Google groups is not an option as the group she >>>>>>>> wants to subscribe to is not on google. Alt UK Legal Moderated. Thx. >>>>>>>

You (she) needs access to a news server.? I think eternal-september.org >>>>>>> is the last of the freebies still in operation.

visit http://eternal-september.org? (note the TLD is org not com) >>>>>>> click on "User Registration"
Provide a first/last name, a valid email address and a desired
moniker (User ID).? Solve the captcha and wait for a confirmation. >>>>>>>
Note that the closest thing to "Alt UK Legal Moderated" that appears >>>>>>> in the newsgroups served up by ES is alt.uk.law.

I see an uk.legal.moderated, but I'm not using ES.

ulm is on Eternal September and freely available. I'm using ES.

However the huge number of spelling mistakes in the OP's question and >>>>> subject heading would be more than enough to prevent it from working. >>>>>
uk.legal.moderated is quite distinct from alt.*.totalcrap

which of them is she trying to access?

u.l.moderated... but that's not the issue. the issue is being able to
find a simple reader . I will have to prompt her, best I can, to get
Thunderbird +ES working. It's years since I did it.

I use Thunderbird on desktop/laptops but for simplicity NewsTapLite on
iPhone/ipad is hard to beat. One eternal September account serves both.

Seconded.

Recent Thunderbirds have some quadratic algo in the guts that makes them
very slow on groups with many posts in the archive.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
(via NewsTap)

Modern software tends to litter its environment to the point of
getting mired. Progress.

I periodically unsubscribe from sluggish newsgroups, terminate
thunderbird, delete all files associated with the group in >.thunderbird/<hash>.default/News/<server>, then resubscribe and
mark everything as read. That cures the sluggishness.

Maybe there are better ways, I dont't know.

Jeroen Belleman

I use e.s. and Agent. Seems to work fine.

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On 7/31/2025 2:29 PM, TTman wrote:

On 30/07/2025 23:35, Don Y wrote:

On 7/30/2025 3:29 PM, TTman wrote:

uk.legal.moderated is quite distinct from alt.*.totalcrap

which of them is she trying to access?

u.l.moderated... but that's not the issue. the issue is being able to find a
simple reader . I will have to prompt her, best I can, to get Thunderbird >>> +ES working. It's years since I did it.

Is she nearby?  Perhaps just *do it* for her.

If remote, perhaps set up a RDP session?  Or, chat (via email) as YOU do a step
and tell her to repeat that step -- confirming with a description of what
the display should look like.

The wisest approach is usually to plead ignorance of All Things Computer!  :>
(sort of like claiming NOT to know how TVs work lest you were forever
repairing TVs for friends and relatives)

I'm going to try and get her to come round to mine- she's not far away but not
in good health right now. Side by side, I should be able to sort her out...

Does she have a laptop -- so you could actually set things up for her
and then watch her using it?

If not (requiring her to remember lots of steps to take when she gets
back home), perhaps *you* could bring a laptop to her place so you
could be seated alongside her "desktop" to show what's happening?

Isn't it fun being someone's IT department? (NOT!)

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