• Re: OT: Greenland

    From john larkin @21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 29 11:01:40 2025
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 17:44:37 +0000, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Well, I thought DT was joking about seizing Greenland, but it appears
    he's serious! That's quite a bold move to say the least! Leaving aside
    the right/wrong debate over such a move, does it not now give China a
    free pass to seize the territory first - if it can act fast enough -
    since the unthinkable has not only been thought, but spoken aloud as a
    stated plan as well? I mean it kind of confers legitimacy on arbitrary >territorial seizures if the US can do it, wouldn't you say?

    Your pal,

    CD

    Stop following the news and design some electronics. You'll feel
    better and maybe even be useful.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 29 18:39:35 2025
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 11:01:40 -0700, john larkin <jlArbor.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 17:44:37 +0000, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Well, I thought DT was joking about seizing Greenland, but it appears
    he's serious! That's quite a bold move to say the least! Leaving aside
    the right/wrong debate over such a move, does it not now give China a
    free pass to seize the territory first - if it can act fast enough -
    since the unthinkable has not only been thought, but spoken aloud as a >>stated plan as well? I mean it kind of confers legitimacy on arbitrary >>territorial seizures if the US can do it, wouldn't you say?

    Your pal,

    CD

    Stop following the news and design some electronics. You'll feel
    better and maybe even be useful.

    Ouch! Bad day today, John?

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  • From john larkin @21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 29 13:00:39 2025
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 18:39:35 +0000, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 11:01:40 -0700, john larkin <jlArbor.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 17:44:37 +0000, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]> >>wrote:

    Well, I thought DT was joking about seizing Greenland, but it appears >>>he's serious! That's quite a bold move to say the least! Leaving aside >>>the right/wrong debate over such a move, does it not now give China a >>>free pass to seize the territory first - if it can act fast enough - >>>since the unthinkable has not only been thought, but spoken aloud as a >>>stated plan as well? I mean it kind of confers legitimacy on arbitrary >>>territorial seizures if the US can do it, wouldn't you say?

    Your pal,

    CD

    Stop following the news and design some electronics. You'll feel
    better and maybe even be useful.

    Ouch! Bad day today, John?

    The sun is bright, birds are chirping, crows are croaking, all is
    well. Except it's time for the weekly Safeway run.

    I expect we'll soon be having Greenland restaurants, alongside the
    French and Mexican and Italian. Can't wait.

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 29 20:28:02 2025
    john larkin <jlArbor.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 18:39:35 +0000, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 11:01:40 -0700, john larkin <jlArbor.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 17:44:37 +0000, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Well, I thought DT was joking about seizing Greenland, but it appears
    he's serious! That's quite a bold move to say the least! Leaving aside >>>> the right/wrong debate over such a move, does it not now give China a
    free pass to seize the territory first - if it can act fast enough -
    since the unthinkable has not only been thought, but spoken aloud as a >>>> stated plan as well? I mean it kind of confers legitimacy on arbitrary >>>> territorial seizures if the US can do it, wouldn't you say?

    Your pal,

    CD

    Stop following the news and design some electronics. You'll feel
    better and maybe even be useful.

    Ouch! Bad day today, John?

    The sun is bright, birds are chirping, crows are croaking, all is
    well. Except it's time for the weekly Safeway run.

    I expect we'll soon be having Greenland restaurants, alongside the
    French and Mexican and Italian. Can't wait.



    Could be a bit repetitive, all that fish fried in seal 🦭 blubber.

    Cheers 🍻

    Phil Hobbs

    --
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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Phil Hobbs on Sat Mar 29 20:32:27 2025
    Phil Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:
    john larkin <jlArbor.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 18:39:35 +0000, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 11:01:40 -0700, john larkin <jlArbor.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 17:44:37 +0000, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Well, I thought DT was joking about seizing Greenland, but it appears >>>>> he's serious! That's quite a bold move to say the least! Leaving aside >>>>> the right/wrong debate over such a move, does it not now give China a >>>>> free pass to seize the territory first - if it can act fast enough - >>>>> since the unthinkable has not only been thought, but spoken aloud as a >>>>> stated plan as well? I mean it kind of confers legitimacy on arbitrary >>>>> territorial seizures if the US can do it, wouldn't you say?

    Your pal,

    CD

    Stop following the news and design some electronics. You'll feel
    better and maybe even be useful.

    Ouch! Bad day today, John?

    The sun is bright, birds are chirping, crows are croaking, all is
    well. Except it's time for the weekly Safeway run.

    I expect we'll soon be having Greenland restaurants, alongside the
    French and Mexican and Italian. Can't wait.



    Could be a bit repetitive, all that fish fried in seal 🦭 blubber.

    Oh, and a shout-out to the Fall of Civilizations podcast for their
    excellent 2021 episode on the Greenland vikings.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmbY-GrM8pI

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
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  • From Dan Green@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 29 21:01:59 2025
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 13:00:39 -0700, john larkin <jlArbor.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 18:39:35 +0000, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 11:01:40 -0700, john larkin <jlArbor.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 17:44:37 +0000, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]> >>>wrote:

    Well, I thought DT was joking about seizing Greenland, but it appears >>>>he's serious! That's quite a bold move to say the least! Leaving aside >>>>the right/wrong debate over such a move, does it not now give China a >>>>free pass to seize the territory first - if it can act fast enough - >>>>since the unthinkable has not only been thought, but spoken aloud as a >>>>stated plan as well? I mean it kind of confers legitimacy on arbitrary >>>>territorial seizures if the US can do it, wouldn't you say?

    Your pal,

    CD

    Stop following the news and design some electronics. You'll feel
    better and maybe even be useful.

    Ouch! Bad day today, John?

    The sun is bright, birds are chirping, crows are croaking, all is
    well. Except it's time for the weekly Safeway run.

    I expect we'll soon be having Greenland restaurants, alongside the
    French and Mexican and Italian. Can't wait.

    Do you like Canadian cuisine? Cheap maple syrup comin' soon, too! ;->

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sat Mar 29 18:00:55 2025
    On 3/29/2025 1:44 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Well, I thought DT was joking about seizing Greenland, but it appears
    he's serious! That's quite a bold move to say the least! Leaving aside
    the right/wrong debate over such a move, does it not now give China a
    free pass to seize the territory first - if it can act fast enough -
    since the unthinkable has not only been thought, but spoken aloud as a
    stated plan as well? I mean it kind of confers legitimacy on arbitrary territorial seizures if the US can do it, wouldn't you say?

    Your pal,

    CD

    If the US losing to Vietnam and Afghanistan felt bad, imagine how bad
    losing to Denmark will feel..

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  • From john larkin @21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 29 15:28:42 2025
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 21:01:59 +0000, Dan Green <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 13:00:39 -0700, john larkin <jlArbor.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 18:39:35 +0000, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]> >>wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 11:01:40 -0700, john larkin <jlArbor.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 17:44:37 +0000, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:

    Well, I thought DT was joking about seizing Greenland, but it appears >>>>>he's serious! That's quite a bold move to say the least! Leaving aside >>>>>the right/wrong debate over such a move, does it not now give China a >>>>>free pass to seize the territory first - if it can act fast enough - >>>>>since the unthinkable has not only been thought, but spoken aloud as a >>>>>stated plan as well? I mean it kind of confers legitimacy on arbitrary >>>>>territorial seizures if the US can do it, wouldn't you say?

    Your pal,

    CD

    Stop following the news and design some electronics. You'll feel
    better and maybe even be useful.

    Ouch! Bad day today, John?

    The sun is bright, birds are chirping, crows are croaking, all is
    well. Except it's time for the weekly Safeway run.

    I expect we'll soon be having Greenland restaurants, alongside the
    French and Mexican and Italian. Can't wait.

    Do you like Canadian cuisine? Cheap maple syrup comin' soon, too! ;->

    We have cool Peruvian, Portugese, Mexican, Thai, Japanese, Korean,
    Chinese dumplings, all sorts of stuff. But for some reason, we don't
    have any Canadian restaurants.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sun Mar 30 14:26:37 2025
    On 30/03/2025 4:44 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Well, I thought DT was joking about seizing Greenland, but it appears
    he's serious! That's quite a bold move to say the least! Leaving aside
    the right/wrong debate over such a move, does it not now give China a
    free pass to seize the territory first - if it can act fast enough -
    since the unthinkable has not only been thought, but spoken aloud as a
    stated plan as well? I mean it kind of confers legitimacy on arbitrary territorial seizures if the US can do it, wouldn't you say?

    Cursitor Doom does like his nonsense to be truly fatuous and Donald
    Trump is sufficiently divorced from reality to deliver truly ludicrous speculations.

    I suppose if you take Putin's claims to the Ukraine seriously - and
    Trump seems to - seizing Greenland might look like a plausible plan -
    but military invasion do a lot of damage, and the people whose property
    might get damaged will presumably bribe Trump into being a little more civilised.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Dan Green@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun Mar 30 14:00:30 2025
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 18:42:43 -0400, bitrex <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 3/29/2025 1:44 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Well, I thought DT was joking about seizing Greenland, but it appears
    he's serious! That's quite a bold move to say the least! Leaving aside
    the right/wrong debate over such a move, does it not now give China a
    free pass to seize the territory first - if it can act fast enough -
    since the unthinkable has not only been thought, but spoken aloud as a
    stated plan as well? I mean it kind of confers legitimacy on arbitrary
    territorial seizures if the US can do it, wouldn't you say?

    Your pal,

    CD

    If the US losing to Vietnam and Afghanistan felt bad, imagine how bad
    losing to Denmark will feel..

    Trump better not try any of that nonsense with Canada or he'll have
    King Charles to reckon with! :)

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Dan Green on Mon Mar 31 00:59:56 2025
    On 31/03/2025 12:00 am, Dan Green wrote:
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 18:42:43 -0400, bitrex <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 3/29/2025 1:44 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Well, I thought DT was joking about seizing Greenland, but it appears
    he's serious! That's quite a bold move to say the least! Leaving aside
    the right/wrong debate over such a move, does it not now give China a
    free pass to seize the territory first - if it can act fast enough -
    since the unthinkable has not only been thought, but spoken aloud as a
    stated plan as well? I mean it kind of confers legitimacy on arbitrary
    territorial seizures if the US can do it, wouldn't you say?

    Your pal,

    CD

    If the US losing to Vietnam and Afghanistan felt bad, imagine how bad
    losing to Denmark will feel..

    Trump better not try any of that nonsense with Canada or he'll have
    King Charles to reckon with! :)

    George the third wasn't up to changing George Washington's mind, and
    Charles the third is unlikely to do any better with Donald Trump.
    George Washington had a mind that presumably could be changed - he did
    seem to change his mind about chopping down that cherry tree when he
    was a kid. Donald Trump's mind is rather more erratic.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From john larkin @21:1/5 to pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical. on Sun Mar 30 07:59:50 2025
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 20:32:27 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:

    Phil Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:
    john larkin <jlArbor.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 18:39:35 +0000, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 11:01:40 -0700, john larkin <jlArbor.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 17:44:37 +0000, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:

    Well, I thought DT was joking about seizing Greenland, but it appears >>>>>> he's serious! That's quite a bold move to say the least! Leaving aside >>>>>> the right/wrong debate over such a move, does it not now give China a >>>>>> free pass to seize the territory first - if it can act fast enough - >>>>>> since the unthinkable has not only been thought, but spoken aloud as a >>>>>> stated plan as well? I mean it kind of confers legitimacy on arbitrary >>>>>> territorial seizures if the US can do it, wouldn't you say?

    Your pal,

    CD

    Stop following the news and design some electronics. You'll feel
    better and maybe even be useful.

    Ouch! Bad day today, John?

    The sun is bright, birds are chirping, crows are croaking, all is
    well. Except it's time for the weekly Safeway run.

    I expect we'll soon be having Greenland restaurants, alongside the
    French and Mexican and Italian. Can't wait.



    Could be a bit repetitive, all that fish fried in seal ? blubber.

    Oh, and a shout-out to the Fall of Civilizations podcast for their
    excellent 2021 episode on the Greenland vikings.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmbY-GrM8pI

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    Cool. Thanks.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 29 17:44:37 2025
    Well, I thought DT was joking about seizing Greenland, but it appears
    he's serious! That's quite a bold move to say the least! Leaving aside
    the right/wrong debate over such a move, does it not now give China a
    free pass to seize the territory first - if it can act fast enough -
    since the unthinkable has not only been thought, but spoken aloud as a
    stated plan as well? I mean it kind of confers legitimacy on arbitrary territorial seizures if the US can do it, wouldn't you say?

    Your pal,

    CD

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  • From Klaus Kragelund@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun Mar 30 22:22:57 2025
    On 29-03-2025 23:42, bitrex wrote:
    On 3/29/2025 1:44 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Well, I thought DT was joking about seizing Greenland, but it appears
    he's serious! That's quite a bold move to say the least! Leaving aside
    the right/wrong debate over such a move, does it not now give China a
    free pass to seize the territory first - if it can act fast enough -
    since the unthinkable has not only been thought, but spoken aloud as a
    stated plan as well? I mean it kind of confers legitimacy on arbitrary
    territorial seizures if the US can do it, wouldn't you say?

    Your pal,

    CD

    If the US losing to Vietnam and Afghanistan felt bad, imagine how bad
    losing to Denmark will feel..
    Greenland is a part of NATO. So Trump will be losing to the rest of the alliance, which he doesn't believe in anyway

    A guy that thinks a tariff is something the country exporting pays, well
    that says it all.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Mar 31 00:50:20 2025
    On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 22:22:57 +0200, Klaus Kragelund
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 29-03-2025 23:42, bitrex wrote:
    On 3/29/2025 1:44 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Well, I thought DT was joking about seizing Greenland, but it appears
    he's serious! That's quite a bold move to say the least! Leaving aside
    the right/wrong debate over such a move, does it not now give China a
    free pass to seize the territory first - if it can act fast enough -
    since the unthinkable has not only been thought, but spoken aloud as a
    stated plan as well? I mean it kind of confers legitimacy on arbitrary
    territorial seizures if the US can do it, wouldn't you say?

    Your pal,

    CD

    If the US losing to Vietnam and Afghanistan felt bad, imagine how bad
    losing to Denmark will feel..
    Greenland is a part of NATO. So Trump will be losing to the rest of the >alliance, which he doesn't believe in anyway

    A guy that thinks a tariff is something the country exporting pays, well
    that says it all.

    Fair point. I was just wondering if anyone on this group might be
    affected one way or the other by these tariffs. I don't believe I am,
    at least not directly at any rate.

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Mon Mar 31 00:18:16 2025
    Cursitor Doom <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 22:22:57 +0200, Klaus Kragelund
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 29-03-2025 23:42, bitrex wrote:
    On 3/29/2025 1:44 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Well, I thought DT was joking about seizing Greenland, but it appears
    he's serious! That's quite a bold move to say the least! Leaving aside >>>> the right/wrong debate over such a move, does it not now give China a
    free pass to seize the territory first - if it can act fast enough -
    since the unthinkable has not only been thought, but spoken aloud as a >>>> stated plan as well? I mean it kind of confers legitimacy on arbitrary >>>> territorial seizures if the US can do it, wouldn't you say?

    Your pal,

    CD

    If the US losing to Vietnam and Afghanistan felt bad, imagine how bad
    losing to Denmark will feel..
    Greenland is a part of NATO. So Trump will be losing to the rest of the
    alliance, which he doesn't believe in anyway

    A guy that thinks a tariff is something the country exporting pays, well
    that says it all.

    Fair point. I was just wondering if anyone on this group might be
    affected one way or the other by these tariffs. I don't believe I am,
    at least not directly at any rate.


    Who winds up paying what proportion of a tariff depends on price
    elasticity, like any other cost.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Phil Hobbs on Mon Mar 31 15:51:57 2025
    On 31/03/2025 11:18 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    Cursitor Doom <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 22:22:57 +0200, Klaus Kragelund
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 29-03-2025 23:42, bitrex wrote:
    On 3/29/2025 1:44 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Well, I thought DT was joking about seizing Greenland, but it appears >>>>> he's serious! That's quite a bold move to say the least! Leaving aside >>>>> the right/wrong debate over such a move, does it not now give China a >>>>> free pass to seize the territory first - if it can act fast enough - >>>>> since the unthinkable has not only been thought, but spoken aloud as a >>>>> stated plan as well? I mean it kind of confers legitimacy on arbitrary >>>>> territorial seizures if the US can do it, wouldn't you say?

    Your pal,

    CD

    If the US losing to Vietnam and Afghanistan felt bad, imagine how bad
    losing to Denmark will feel..
    Greenland is a part of NATO. So Trump will be losing to the rest of the
    alliance, which he doesn't believe in anyway

    A guy that thinks a tariff is something the country exporting pays, well >>> that says it all.

    Fair point. I was just wondering if anyone on this group might be
    affected one way or the other by these tariffs. I don't believe I am,
    at least not directly at any rate.


    Who winds up paying what proportion of a tariff depends on price
    elasticity, like any other cost.

    A tariff is paid when goods enter the country that has imposed the
    tariff. Trump like them because he sees them as tax income that his
    government can spend.

    Economists don't like them because they take money out of the economy in
    a way that makes it more expensive for consumers to buy specific items
    that they might want or need.

    Price elasticity is just the process of spreading the pain between the
    exporter of the tariffed item, the importer and the eventual customer.

    The rational argument for tariffs is to protect domestic sources against international competition, and the counter argument is the economy of
    scale - stuff gets produced at the lowest unit price when it is produced
    in the largest possible volume. The usual rule of thumb is that
    increasing production volume by a factor of ten halves the unit cost.

    There are lots of specific cases where this doesn't work, but solar
    cells are an example where it has done.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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