• Re: Omega

    From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 6 00:31:25 2024
    On Fri, 05 Jul 2024 00:33:31 +0100, JM <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 08:44:34 +0100, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]> wrote:

    Gentlemen,

    For more decades than I care to remember, I've been using formulae
    such as Xc= 1/2pifL, Xl=2pifC, Fo=1/2pisqrtLC and such like without
    even giving a thought as to how omega gets involved in so many aspects
    of RF. BTW, that's a lower-case, small omega meaning >>2*pi*the-frequency-of-interest rather than the large Omega which is
    already reserved for Ohms. How does it keep cropping up? What's so
    special about the constant 6.283 and from what is it derived?
    Just curious...

    What you are really asking (but may not realise) is why do mathematicians measure an angle in radians. If you draw two straught lines from the origin of a circle to its edge, then the angle (in radians) between the lines is the arc length (length of
    the part of the circle circumference between the two lines) divided by the radius. So if a single line rotates one complete revolution it rotates 2.PI radians.

    One important thing to note is that if an angle x is measured in radians then the limit of sin(x)/x as x goes to 0 is 1. This leads to the derivative (wrt x) of sin(x) being equal to cos(x). *This is not true is x is not specified in radians*. (It
    also leads to simple series expansions of the trigonometric fuctions, to eulers formula etc.)

    When performing calculus it is thus easiest to do so if angles are measured in radians. For a signal of frequency f it's corresponding phasor representation will rotate by 2.PI.f.t radians in an interval t. This is where the 2.PI comes from in your
    calculations.

    For example for your inductor L the voltage across it and the current through it are related by e=L.di/dt. If the current i=I.sin(wt) (w in rad/s) then e=wLI.cos(wt). Thus the impedance e/i is wL cos(wt)/sin(wt) ie. it has a magnitude of wL (or 2.PI.f.
    L )and a phase angle of PI/2. And so forth.


    Another piece of the jigsaw. Many thanks indeed for that contribution.

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  • From Edward Rawde@21:1/5 to From what John has on Mon Jul 8 14:08:33 2024
    "john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 17:49:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 13:39:51 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    On 6/30/2024 12:45 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 07:38:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 14:23:24 +0100, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 06:05:41 -0700, john larkin
    <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 08:44:34 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Gentlemen,
    ...

    Today is San Francisco Pride Day (Dikes on Bikes and such) so it's a >>>>> good day to stay close to home. Traffic and parking and everything
    will be a nightmare.

    https://sfpride.org/parade

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/j698pjo7jxm152zuzu4dx/ >>Pink_Triangle.jpg?
    rlkey=n4xinzzm39bms9w04syb7egkx&raw=1

    I went to one of those once in Berlin when I lived there. God almighty! >>>> I've never seen such a complete and utter freak show in my entire life. >>>> I just stood there gaping open-mouthed at the procession.

    Why were you at the procession? Why did you not stay at home or away from the procession?
    Or was it that the procession passed your home?

    It must have
    been pretty obvious to any of those weirdos on the floats that I wasn't >>>> there to celebrate them!

    Why would that have been obvious to them?

    I just find it bizarre that parents actually
    take their kids to see this sort of thing and they're all waving their >>>> rainbow flags and whatnot.

    No kids of mine would be allowed

    You could find that they remember you for that, and they may or may not ever tell you so.

    within a
    million miles of an event like that. No wonder the God-fearing folks
    reckon the world's going to hell in a handbasket. :(

    What does god have to do with such a procession?


    Could always move to places that tolerate that sort of stuff. Saudi
    Arabia. Moscow. Abilene, Texas. Lots of options.

    But Mr. Larkin seems to prefer it in San Fran and you seem to prefer
    flitting about western Europe, interesting.

    Well, I did warn John about moving to SF many years ago as I could tell
    the way it was going, but he went ahead anyway and seems to have an
    uncanny ability to only notice the nice side of the place (mainly by not >>venturing downtown, it seems).

    I've only been to SF for a 1 week visit but I can think of no reason why I wouldn't live there if I had sufficient income and a
    place to live (which seems unlikely).

    From what John has said it sounds like SF is a very tolerant place which would be a plus with me.


    You warned me? What's your real name?

    When I decided to move to SF, my friends said "But it's full of gay
    guys" to which I replied "and lots of smart beautiful women."

    Do the math on that.

    Right, we avoid the tourist traps and homeless encampments. The hills separate SF into a collection of villages, with even different
    weather.

    It's a great place to be weird. People get it.

    But 2*pi is still 2*pi even here.



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  • From john larkin @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Jul 8 12:48:09 2024
    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 14:08:33 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    "john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 17:49:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 13:39:51 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    On 6/30/2024 12:45 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 07:38:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 14:23:24 +0100, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 06:05:41 -0700, john larkin
    <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 08:44:34 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Gentlemen,
    ...

    Today is San Francisco Pride Day (Dikes on Bikes and such) so it's a >>>>>> good day to stay close to home. Traffic and parking and everything >>>>>> will be a nightmare.

    https://sfpride.org/parade

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/j698pjo7jxm152zuzu4dx/ >>>Pink_Triangle.jpg?
    rlkey=n4xinzzm39bms9w04syb7egkx&raw=1

    I went to one of those once in Berlin when I lived there. God almighty! >>>>> I've never seen such a complete and utter freak show in my entire life. >>>>> I just stood there gaping open-mouthed at the procession.

    Why were you at the procession? Why did you not stay at home or away from the procession?
    Or was it that the procession passed your home?

    It must have
    been pretty obvious to any of those weirdos on the floats that I wasn't >>>>> there to celebrate them!

    Why would that have been obvious to them?

    I just find it bizarre that parents actually
    take their kids to see this sort of thing and they're all waving their >>>>> rainbow flags and whatnot.

    No kids of mine would be allowed

    You could find that they remember you for that, and they may or may not ever tell you so.

    within a
    million miles of an event like that. No wonder the God-fearing folks >>>>> reckon the world's going to hell in a handbasket. :(

    What does god have to do with such a procession?


    Could always move to places that tolerate that sort of stuff. Saudi
    Arabia. Moscow. Abilene, Texas. Lots of options.

    But Mr. Larkin seems to prefer it in San Fran and you seem to prefer
    flitting about western Europe, interesting.

    Well, I did warn John about moving to SF many years ago as I could tell >>>the way it was going, but he went ahead anyway and seems to have an >>>uncanny ability to only notice the nice side of the place (mainly by not >>>venturing downtown, it seems).

    I've only been to SF for a 1 week visit but I can think of no reason why I wouldn't live there if I had sufficient income and a
    place to live (which seems unlikely).

    From what John has said it sounds like SF is a very tolerant place which would be a plus with me.



    For most of human history, people didn't travel or marry much beyond
    walking distance of their birthplace. Now, all over the world, some self-selected people leave home and move to big cities, university and
    tech and business centers.

    Those places are pretty diverse so tolerant of differences.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to Edward Rawde on Mon Jul 8 19:59:41 2024
    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 14:08:33 -0400, Edward Rawde wrote:

    "john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 17:49:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 13:39:51 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    On 6/30/2024 12:45 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 07:38:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 14:23:24 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 06:05:41 -0700, john larkin
    <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 08:44:34 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Gentlemen,
    ...

    Today is San Francisco Pride Day (Dikes on Bikes and such) so it's >>>>>> a good day to stay close to home. Traffic and parking and
    everything will be a nightmare.

    https://sfpride.org/parade

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/j698pjo7jxm152zuzu4dx/ >>>Pink_Triangle.jpg?
    rlkey=n4xinzzm39bms9w04syb7egkx&raw=1

    I went to one of those once in Berlin when I lived there. God
    almighty!
    I've never seen such a complete and utter freak show in my entire
    life.
    I just stood there gaping open-mouthed at the procession.

    Why were you at the procession? Why did you not stay at home or away
    from the procession?
    Or was it that the procession passed your home?

    It was an 8 minute walk to the procession and I'd never seen one before.
    I'd expected something a bit more dignified.


    It must have been pretty obvious to any of those weirdos on the
    floats that I wasn't there to celebrate them!

    Why would that have been obvious to them?

    I can't disguise my expression.

    I just find it bizarre that parents actually take their kids to see
    this sort of thing and they're all waving their rainbow flags and
    whatnot.

    No kids of mine would be allowed

    You could find that they remember you for that, and they may or may not
    ever tell you so.

    They'd be most grateful. That display was not fit for children to witness.


    within a million miles of an event like that. No wonder the
    God-fearing folks reckon the world's going to hell in a handbasket.
    :(

    What does god have to do with such a procession?

    Leviticus, I believe. 'Man shall not lay with man nor woman lay with
    woman' IIRC.

    Could always move to places that tolerate that sort of stuff. Saudi
    Arabia. Moscow. Abilene, Texas. Lots of options.

    But Mr. Larkin seems to prefer it in San Fran and you seem to prefer
    flitting about western Europe, interesting.

    Well, I did warn John about moving to SF many years ago as I could tell >>>the way it was going, but he went ahead anyway and seems to have an >>>uncanny ability to only notice the nice side of the place (mainly by
    not venturing downtown, it seems).

    I've only been to SF for a 1 week visit but I can think of no reason why
    I wouldn't live there if I had sufficient income and a place to live
    (which seems unlikely).

    From what John has said it sounds like SF is a very tolerant place which would be a plus with me.

    If you're gay, that's fine by me. What I cannot understand is why these processions are purposely - it seems to me - so outrageously offensive to normal people. They don't have to be. Why are they? Why do these people go
    out of their way to stultify their own cause? It makes no sense to me at
    all. I can't possibly celebrate behaviour like that.

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  • From john larkin @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Jul 8 13:43:20 2024
    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 19:59:41 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 14:08:33 -0400, Edward Rawde wrote:

    "john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 17:49:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 13:39:51 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    On 6/30/2024 12:45 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 07:38:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 14:23:24 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 06:05:41 -0700, john larkin
    <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 08:44:34 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Gentlemen,
    ...

    Today is San Francisco Pride Day (Dikes on Bikes and such) so it's >>>>>>> a good day to stay close to home. Traffic and parking and
    everything will be a nightmare.

    https://sfpride.org/parade

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/j698pjo7jxm152zuzu4dx/ >>>>Pink_Triangle.jpg?
    rlkey=n4xinzzm39bms9w04syb7egkx&raw=1

    I went to one of those once in Berlin when I lived there. God
    almighty!
    I've never seen such a complete and utter freak show in my entire
    life.
    I just stood there gaping open-mouthed at the procession.

    Why were you at the procession? Why did you not stay at home or away
    from the procession?
    Or was it that the procession passed your home?

    It was an 8 minute walk to the procession and I'd never seen one before.
    I'd expected something a bit more dignified.


    It must have been pretty obvious to any of those weirdos on the
    floats that I wasn't there to celebrate them!

    Why would that have been obvious to them?

    I can't disguise my expression.

    I just find it bizarre that parents actually take their kids to see >>>>>> this sort of thing and they're all waving their rainbow flags and
    whatnot.

    No kids of mine would be allowed

    You could find that they remember you for that, and they may or may not
    ever tell you so.

    They'd be most grateful. That display was not fit for children to witness.


    within a million miles of an event like that. No wonder the
    God-fearing folks reckon the world's going to hell in a handbasket. >>>>>> :(

    What does god have to do with such a procession?

    Leviticus, I believe. 'Man shall not lay with man nor woman lay with
    woman' IIRC.

    Could always move to places that tolerate that sort of stuff. Saudi >>>>> Arabia. Moscow. Abilene, Texas. Lots of options.

    But Mr. Larkin seems to prefer it in San Fran and you seem to prefer >>>>> flitting about western Europe, interesting.

    Well, I did warn John about moving to SF many years ago as I could tell >>>>the way it was going, but he went ahead anyway and seems to have an >>>>uncanny ability to only notice the nice side of the place (mainly by >>>>not venturing downtown, it seems).

    I've only been to SF for a 1 week visit but I can think of no reason why
    I wouldn't live there if I had sufficient income and a place to live
    (which seems unlikely).

    From what John has said it sounds like SF is a very tolerant place which
    would be a plus with me.

    If you're gay, that's fine by me. What I cannot understand is why these >processions are purposely - it seems to me - so outrageously offensive to >normal people. They don't have to be. Why are they? Why do these people go >out of their way to stultify their own cause? It makes no sense to me at
    all. I can't possibly celebrate behaviour like that.

    If they want to celebrate their other-ness, and get mostly nekkid and
    freeze in the process, I and you can watch or not. The Folsum Fetish
    Street Fair is fun. "Normal" is very relative.

    I used to live 2 blocks from Castro street, the main gay drag, just
    before AIDS hit. It was outrageously wild, but it was fun and the food
    was good. I met my wife in a gay bar. There is an upside to being the
    only staight single male in the room.

    Now the Castro is over-run with breeders pushing baby buggies, and the
    gays are tolerant.

    Part of our religious and (former) legal condemnation of extra-marital
    and gay sex probably evolved to preventing transmitting diseases.

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  • From Edward Rawde@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Mon Jul 8 17:05:09 2024
    "Cursitor Doom" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:v6hgfc$10h93$[email protected]...
    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 14:08:33 -0400, Edward Rawde wrote:

    "john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 17:49:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 13:39:51 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    On 6/30/2024 12:45 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 07:38:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 14:23:24 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 06:05:41 -0700, john larkin
    <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 08:44:34 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Gentlemen,
    ...

    Today is San Francisco Pride Day (Dikes on Bikes and such) so it's >>>>>>> a good day to stay close to home. Traffic and parking and
    everything will be a nightmare.

    https://sfpride.org/parade

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/j698pjo7jxm152zuzu4dx/ >>>>Pink_Triangle.jpg?
    rlkey=n4xinzzm39bms9w04syb7egkx&raw=1

    I went to one of those once in Berlin when I lived there. God
    almighty!
    I've never seen such a complete and utter freak show in my entire
    life.
    I just stood there gaping open-mouthed at the procession.

    Why were you at the procession? Why did you not stay at home or away
    from the procession?
    Or was it that the procession passed your home?

    It was an 8 minute walk to the procession and I'd never seen one before.

    So you made a deliberate decision to attend.

    I'd expected something a bit more dignified.


    It must have been pretty obvious to any of those weirdos on the
    floats that I wasn't there to celebrate them!

    Why would that have been obvious to them?

    I can't disguise my expression.

    I don't think they would have cared.


    I just find it bizarre that parents actually take their kids to see >>>>>> this sort of thing and they're all waving their rainbow flags and
    whatnot.

    No kids of mine would be allowed

    You could find that they remember you for that, and they may or may not
    ever tell you so.

    They'd be most grateful.

    How do you know this? Are they allowed to think for themselves?

    That display was not fit for children to witness.


    within a million miles of an event like that. No wonder the
    God-fearing folks reckon the world's going to hell in a handbasket. >>>>>> :(

    What does god have to do with such a procession?

    Leviticus, I believe. 'Man shall not lay with man nor woman lay with
    woman' IIRC.

    Oh dear.


    Could always move to places that tolerate that sort of stuff. Saudi >>>>> Arabia. Moscow. Abilene, Texas. Lots of options.

    But Mr. Larkin seems to prefer it in San Fran and you seem to prefer >>>>> flitting about western Europe, interesting.

    Well, I did warn John about moving to SF many years ago as I could tell >>>>the way it was going, but he went ahead anyway and seems to have an >>>>uncanny ability to only notice the nice side of the place (mainly by >>>>not venturing downtown, it seems).

    I've only been to SF for a 1 week visit but I can think of no reason why
    I wouldn't live there if I had sufficient income and a place to live
    (which seems unlikely).

    From what John has said it sounds like SF is a very tolerant place which
    would be a plus with me.

    If you're gay, that's fine by me.

    LOL when did I give any indication of my sexuality? LOL
    Ok maybe you meant 'you' in the plural sense but still LOL

    What I cannot understand is why these
    processions are purposely - it seems to me - so outrageously offensive to

    normal people.

    What distinguishes a normal person from one who is not normal?

    They don't have to be. Why are they? Why do these people go
    out of their way to stultify their own cause? It makes no sense to me at
    all. I can't possibly celebrate behaviour like that.

    You don't have to deliberately attend either.

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  • From Edward Rawde@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 8 17:12:42 2024
    "john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 19:59:41 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 14:08:33 -0400, Edward Rawde wrote:

    "john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 17:49:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 13:39:51 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    On 6/30/2024 12:45 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 07:38:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 14:23:24 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 06:05:41 -0700, john larkin
    <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 08:44:34 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Gentlemen,
    ...

    Today is San Francisco Pride Day (Dikes on Bikes and such) so it's >>>>>>>> a good day to stay close to home. Traffic and parking and
    everything will be a nightmare.

    https://sfpride.org/parade

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/j698pjo7jxm152zuzu4dx/ >>>>>Pink_Triangle.jpg?
    rlkey=n4xinzzm39bms9w04syb7egkx&raw=1

    I went to one of those once in Berlin when I lived there. God
    almighty!
    I've never seen such a complete and utter freak show in my entire >>>>>>> life.
    I just stood there gaping open-mouthed at the procession.

    Part of our religious and (former) legal condemnation of extra-marital
    and gay sex probably evolved to preventing transmitting diseases.

    Ah someone making logical sense instead of expecting an irrelevant law, written 2000 years or so before English even existed, to be
    in any way relevant to here and now.
    That's refreshing.

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  • From john larkin @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Jul 8 16:04:31 2024
    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 17:12:42 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    "john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 19:59:41 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 14:08:33 -0400, Edward Rawde wrote:

    "john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 17:49:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 13:39:51 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    On 6/30/2024 12:45 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 07:38:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 14:23:24 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 06:05:41 -0700, john larkin
    <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 08:44:34 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Gentlemen,
    ...

    Today is San Francisco Pride Day (Dikes on Bikes and such) so it's >>>>>>>>> a good day to stay close to home. Traffic and parking and
    everything will be a nightmare.

    https://sfpride.org/parade

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/j698pjo7jxm152zuzu4dx/ >>>>>>Pink_Triangle.jpg?
    rlkey=n4xinzzm39bms9w04syb7egkx&raw=1

    I went to one of those once in Berlin when I lived there. God
    almighty!
    I've never seen such a complete and utter freak show in my entire >>>>>>>> life.
    I just stood there gaping open-mouthed at the procession.

    Part of our religious and (former) legal condemnation of extra-marital
    and gay sex probably evolved to preventing transmitting diseases.

    Ah someone making logical sense instead of expecting an irrelevant law, written 2000 years or so before English even existed, to be
    in any way relevant to here and now.

    The Ten Commandments still make sense. They work.

    That's refreshing.


    Social evolution probably becomes genetic evolution. They go together.

    One thing I have noted about gay guys is that they tend to be
    promiscuous, wildly so, even married ones. My theory is that women
    have some chemicals that are deeply satisfying and make us fall
    asleep. The first AIDS cases here were among people who had had
    something like 3000 sexual partners. The mind boggles.

    This is a great book:

    https://www.amazon.com/Band-Played-Politics-Epidemic-20th-Anniversary/dp/0312374631

    Randy wrote it as he was dying of AIDS.

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 8 20:08:47 2024
    On Mon, 08 Jul 2024 16:04:31 -0700, john larkin
    <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:

    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 17:12:42 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    "john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 19:59:41 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 14:08:33 -0400, Edward Rawde wrote:

    "john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 17:49:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 13:39:51 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    On 6/30/2024 12:45 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 07:38:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 14:23:24 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 06:05:41 -0700, john larkin
    <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 08:44:34 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Gentlemen,
    ...

    Today is San Francisco Pride Day (Dikes on Bikes and such) so it's >>>>>>>>>> a good day to stay close to home. Traffic and parking and
    everything will be a nightmare.

    https://sfpride.org/parade

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/j698pjo7jxm152zuzu4dx/ >>>>>>>Pink_Triangle.jpg?
    rlkey=n4xinzzm39bms9w04syb7egkx&raw=1

    I went to one of those once in Berlin when I lived there. God >>>>>>>>> almighty!
    I've never seen such a complete and utter freak show in my entire >>>>>>>>> life.
    I just stood there gaping open-mouthed at the procession.

    Part of our religious and (former) legal condemnation of extra-marital
    and gay sex probably evolved to preventing transmitting diseases.

    Ah someone making logical sense instead of expecting an irrelevant law, written 2000 years or so before English even existed, to be
    in any way relevant to here and now.

    The Ten Commandments still make sense. They work.

    That's refreshing.


    Social evolution probably becomes genetic evolution. They go together.

    One thing I have noted about gay guys is that they tend to be
    promiscuous, wildly so, even married ones. My theory is that women
    have some chemicals that are deeply satisfying and make us fall
    asleep. The first AIDS cases here were among people who had had
    something like 3000 sexual partners. The mind boggles.

    This is a great book:

    <https://www.amazon.com/Band-Played-Politics-Epidemic-20th-Anniversary/dp/0312374631>

    Randy wrote it as he was dying of AIDS.

    Yeah. A college roommate became a doctor, and while still in school
    attended a lecture presenting early reports, which mentioned men who
    had about 1000 partners in a year.

    Which stunned me - that would be an average of three a day for each
    and every day of the year. How does one do this physically? Well,
    they managed.

    I think that they noticed that hemophiliacs were also being hit, but
    not the women. This being before AIDS transitioned to the general
    population.

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From Edward Rawde@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 8 20:15:19 2024
    "john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 17:12:42 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    "john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 19:59:41 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 14:08:33 -0400, Edward Rawde wrote:

    "john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 17:49:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 13:39:51 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    On 6/30/2024 12:45 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 07:38:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 14:23:24 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 06:05:41 -0700, john larkin
    <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 08:44:34 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Gentlemen,
    ...

    Today is San Francisco Pride Day (Dikes on Bikes and such) so it's >>>>>>>>>> a good day to stay close to home. Traffic and parking and
    everything will be a nightmare.

    https://sfpride.org/parade

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/j698pjo7jxm152zuzu4dx/ >>>>>>>Pink_Triangle.jpg?
    rlkey=n4xinzzm39bms9w04syb7egkx&raw=1

    I went to one of those once in Berlin when I lived there. God >>>>>>>>> almighty!
    I've never seen such a complete and utter freak show in my entire >>>>>>>>> life.
    I just stood there gaping open-mouthed at the procession.

    Part of our religious and (former) legal condemnation of extra-marital
    and gay sex probably evolved to preventing transmitting diseases.

    Ah someone making logical sense instead of expecting an irrelevant law, written 2000 years or so before English even existed, to
    be
    in any way relevant to here and now.

    The Ten Commandments still make sense. They work.

    I don't recall all of them but some such as thou shalt not kill/steal are clearly fine.

    I think the seven commandments are more interesting but that's a bit off topic. https://www.google.com/search?q="jones+of+the+manor+farm"anger+pdf
    For anyone who hasn't read it.


    That's refreshing.


    Social evolution probably becomes genetic evolution. They go together.

    One thing I have noted about gay guys is that they tend to be
    promiscuous, wildly so, even married ones.

    I hadn't noticed myself but I have limited knowledge of such matters and haven't done any research into it.

    My theory is that women
    have some chemicals that are deeply satisfying and make us fall
    asleep. The first AIDS cases here were among people who had had
    something like 3000 sexual partners. The mind boggles.

    This is a great book:

    https://www.amazon.com/Band-Played-Politics-Epidemic-20th-Anniversary/dp/0312374631

    Randy wrote it as he was dying of AIDS.


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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Tue Jul 9 13:49:24 2024
    On 9/07/2024 5:59 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 14:08:33 -0400, Edward Rawde wrote:

    "john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 17:49:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 13:39:51 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    On 6/30/2024 12:45 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 07:38:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 14:23:24 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 06:05:41 -0700, john larkin
    <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 08:44:34 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    <snip>

    If you're gay, that's fine by me. What I cannot understand is why these processions are purposely - it seems to me - so outrageously offensive to normal people. They don't have to be. Why are they?

    What makes you think that they outrageously offensive to normal people?
    Are you making the obvious mistake of thinking that you are normal?

    Why do these people go out of their way to stultify their own cause?

    "Stultify"?

    It makes no sense to me at all. I can't possibly celebrate behavior like
    that.

    You aren't expected to. You might be expected to realise that there are different strokes for different folks, and that this is the behavior
    that they want to celebrate. You own bizarre sources of gratification
    may get in the way of that.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Tue Jul 9 10:21:39 2024
    On 7/9/24 01:04, john larkin wrote:
    [...]

    The Ten Commandments still make sense. They work.


    The first three are just job protection. The last six
    can be summarized as "Don't do to others what you don't
    want them to do to you." There. Just two will suffice.

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From john larkin @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Jul 9 06:47:04 2024
    On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 10:21:39 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 7/9/24 01:04, john larkin wrote:
    [...]

    The Ten Commandments still make sense. They work.


    The first three are just job protection. The last six
    can be summarized as "Don't do to others what you don't
    want them to do to you." There. Just two will suffice.

    Jeroen Belleman

    I think that the commandments were the first steps of the Enlightment,
    which has a way to go still.

    Islam and communism are steps in the wrong direction.

    "Don't do to others" has its own problems. For starters, individuals
    will have different opinions about what's OK. Rape and bank robbery
    should be illegal for everyone.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Wed Jul 10 01:25:07 2024
    On 9/07/2024 11:47 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 10:21:39 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 7/9/24 01:04, john larkin wrote:
    [...]

    The Ten Commandments still make sense. They work.


    The first three are just job protection. The last six
    can be summarized as "Don't do to others what you don't
    want them to do to you." There. Just two will suffice.

    Jeroen Belleman

    I think that the commandments were the first steps of the Enlightment,
    which has a way to go still.

    Islam and communism are steps in the wrong direction.

    Two very different philosophies. Islam is one more religion.

    Communism - or rather socialism - was based on "to each according to
    their needs, from each according to their abilities" which is pretty
    sensible. Working out the details is complicated. Democratic socialism
    works pretty well. Autocratic communism doesn't.

    "Don't do to others" has its own problems. For starters, individuals
    will have different opinions about what's OK. Rape and bank robbery
    should be illegal for everyone.

    Nobody wants to be raped or robbed. Other peoples opinions about what constitutes rape can be strange."Statutory rape" gets complicated.
    "Robbery" is less fraught.

    Introducing a lawyer into the discussions is probably a bad idea. They
    make money out creating ever finer distinctions, and writing them into inflexible statutes, which they make even more money out of interpreting.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney



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  • From Jasen Betts@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Wed Jul 10 07:47:29 2024
    On 2024-06-30, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 11:57:21 +0100, piglet <[email protected]>
    wrote:


    Thanks, Erich. I did wonder if radians had something to do with it.
    However, knowing that 2 pi radians = 360 degrees or a full wavelength
    doesn't help me understand why this figure multiplied by the frequency multiplied by the inductance gives us the reactance of a coil. Small
    omega therefore equals one second's worth of signal and I don't get
    how multipying that by the inductance amounts to the reactance!

    Something abourt e to the power of sqrt(-1) times theta

    --
    Jasen.
    🇺🇦 Слава Україні

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to Jasen Betts on Wed Jul 10 17:23:09 2024
    On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 07:47:29 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts wrote:

    On 2024-06-30, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 11:57:21 +0100, piglet <[email protected]>
    wrote:


    Thanks, Erich. I did wonder if radians had something to do with it.
    However, knowing that 2 pi radians = 360 degrees or a full wavelength
    doesn't help me understand why this figure multiplied by the frequency
    multiplied by the inductance gives us the reactance of a coil. Small
    omega therefore equals one second's worth of signal and I don't get how
    multipying that by the inductance amounts to the reactance!

    Something abourt e to the power of sqrt(-1) times theta

    Well this is something else that's new to me. I only just encountered it
    last month when reading Tom Lee's book 'Planar Microwave Engineering' in
    which he uses some very unfamiliar (to me) mathematics. I was going to
    post a question about it here in fact. Mebe I'll get around to it if time permits...

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to Edward Rawde on Wed Jul 10 17:44:12 2024
    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 17:05:09 -0400, Edward Rawde wrote:

    "Cursitor Doom" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:v6hgfc$10h93$[email protected]...
    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 14:08:33 -0400, Edward Rawde wrote:

    "john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 17:49:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 13:39:51 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    On 6/30/2024 12:45 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 07:38:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 14:23:24 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 06:05:41 -0700, john larkin
    <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 08:44:34 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Gentlemen,
    ...

    Today is San Francisco Pride Day (Dikes on Bikes and such) so
    it's a good day to stay close to home. Traffic and parking and >>>>>>>> everything will be a nightmare.

    https://sfpride.org/parade

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/j698pjo7jxm152zuzu4dx/ >>>>>Pink_Triangle.jpg?
    rlkey=n4xinzzm39bms9w04syb7egkx&raw=1

    I went to one of those once in Berlin when I lived there. God
    almighty!
    I've never seen such a complete and utter freak show in my entire >>>>>>> life.
    I just stood there gaping open-mouthed at the procession.

    Why were you at the procession? Why did you not stay at home or away
    from the procession?
    Or was it that the procession passed your home?

    It was an 8 minute walk to the procession and I'd never seen one
    before.

    So you made a deliberate decision to attend.

    I'd expected something a bit more dignified.


    It must have been pretty obvious to any of those weirdos on the
    floats that I wasn't there to celebrate them!

    Why would that have been obvious to them?

    I can't disguise my expression.

    I don't think they would have cared.


    I just find it bizarre that parents actually take their kids to
    see this sort of thing and they're all waving their rainbow flags >>>>>>> and whatnot.

    No kids of mine would be allowed

    You could find that they remember you for that, and they may or may
    not ever tell you so.

    They'd be most grateful.

    How do you know this? Are they allowed to think for themselves?

    That display was not fit for children to witness.


    within a million miles of an event like that. No wonder the
    God-fearing folks reckon the world's going to hell in a
    handbasket.
    :(

    What does god have to do with such a procession?

    Leviticus, I believe. 'Man shall not lay with man nor woman lay with
    woman' IIRC.

    Oh dear.


    Could always move to places that tolerate that sort of stuff.
    Saudi Arabia. Moscow. Abilene, Texas. Lots of options.

    But Mr. Larkin seems to prefer it in San Fran and you seem to
    prefer flitting about western Europe, interesting.

    Well, I did warn John about moving to SF many years ago as I could >>>>>tell the way it was going, but he went ahead anyway and seems to have >>>>>an uncanny ability to only notice the nice side of the place (mainly >>>>>by not venturing downtown, it seems).

    I've only been to SF for a 1 week visit but I can think of no reason
    why I wouldn't live there if I had sufficient income and a place to
    live (which seems unlikely).

    From what John has said it sounds like SF is a very tolerant place
    which would be a plus with me.

    If you're gay, that's fine by me.

    LOL when did I give any indication of my sexuality? LOL Ok maybe you
    meant 'you' in the plural sense but still LOL

    What I cannot understand is why these processions are purposely - it
    seems to me - so outrageously offensive to

    normal people.
    b
    What distinguishes a normal person from one who is not normal?

    They don't have to be. Why are they? Why do these people go out of
    their way to stultify their own cause? It makes no sense to me at all.
    I can't possibly celebrate behaviour like that.

    You don't have to deliberately attend either.

    I only went out of curiosity. Never seen one before.
    And I'll never watch another one. A re-enactment of a Bacchanalian orgie
    is not the kind of entertainment I like to see and is 100% NOT suitable
    for children. Anyone who takes a child to see an event like that needs to
    have the child taken away and fostered to a loving heterosexual couple who
    will bring it up properly.

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  • From Edward Rawde@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Wed Jul 10 14:21:31 2024
    "Cursitor Doom" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:v6mh9c$20818$[email protected]...
    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 17:05:09 -0400, Edward Rawde wrote:

    "Cursitor Doom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:v6hgfc$10h93$[email protected]...
    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 14:08:33 -0400, Edward Rawde wrote:

    "john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 17:49:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 13:39:51 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    On 6/30/2024 12:45 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 07:38:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 14:23:24 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 06:05:41 -0700, john larkin
    <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 08:44:34 +0100, Cursitor Doom
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    ....
    I only went out of curiosity. Never seen one before.
    And I'll never watch another one. A re-enactment of a Bacchanalian orgie
    is not the kind of entertainment I like to see

    https://www.google.com/search?&q=Bacchanalian%20orgy&udm=2

    Looks pretty tame to me compared with some of the image searches I could have done.

    and is 100% NOT suitable
    for children. Anyone who takes a child to see an event like that needs to have the child taken away and fostered to a loving heterosexual couple who will bring it up properly.

    Children will pick up plenty of things you may not want them to know or may not think they know.
    And in general they will only take in what they are ready to understand.

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  • From Jasen Betts@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Thu Jul 11 08:18:12 2024
    yOn 2024-07-10, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 07:47:29 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts wrote:

    On 2024-06-30, Cursitor Doom <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 11:57:21 +0100, piglet <[email protected]>
    wrote:


    Thanks, Erich. I did wonder if radians had something to do with it.
    However, knowing that 2 pi radians = 360 degrees or a full wavelength
    doesn't help me understand why this figure multiplied by the frequency
    multiplied by the inductance gives us the reactance of a coil. Small
    omega therefore equals one second's worth of signal and I don't get how
    multipying that by the inductance amounts to the reactance!

    Something abourt e to the power of sqrt(-1) times theta

    Well this is something else that's new to me. I only just encountered it
    last month when reading Tom Lee's book 'Planar Microwave Engineering' in which he uses some very unfamiliar (to me) mathematics. I was going to
    post a question about it here in fact. Mebe I'll get around to it if time permits...

    Phill H has covered what I was thinking of in extensive detail,
    so I will not waste your time with my inferior take on the same angle.

    --
    Jasen.
    🇺🇦 Слава Україні

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