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    From T@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 7 18:57:40 2021
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    Hi All,

    https://www.amazon.com/ODORZOUT-Laundry-Additive-Powder-gallon/dp/B002YD7WIE

    Seems to be out of stock everywhere.

    And http://www.odorzout.com/ is missing in action.

    Anyone know of another source of zeolite for
    the wash?

    Many thanks,
    -T

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  • From danny burstein@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Dec 8 03:17:14 2021
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    In <sop6v4$5jq$[email protected]> T <[email protected]d> writes:

    Hi All,

    https://www.amazon.com/ODORZOUT-Laundry-Additive-Powder-gallon/dp/B002YD7WIE

    Seems to be out of stock everywhere.

    And http://www.odorzout.com/ is missing in action.

    Anyone know of another source of zeolite for
    the wash?

    Can't help you with that, but I suspect the shortage
    of zeolite is because... (sit down for this...)

    Zeolite is a key component of the semi portable
    and larger "oxygen concentrators" which have been
    in pretty high demand because of Covid.

    (and my head hurts real hard when I read the descriptions
    of how it works, just like when I try visualizing how
    the gas flame refrigerators get that ammonia/water
    mix to cool down...)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeolite




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  • From T@21:1/5 to danny burstein on Tue Dec 7 20:32:35 2021
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    On 12/7/21 19:17, danny burstein wrote:
    In <sop6v4$5jq$[email protected]> T <[email protected]d> writes:

    Hi All,

    https://www.amazon.com/ODORZOUT-Laundry-Additive-Powder-gallon/dp/B002YD7WIE

    Seems to be out of stock everywhere.

    And http://www.odorzout.com/ is missing in action.

    Anyone know of another source of zeolite for
    the wash?

    Can't help you with that, but I suspect the shortage
    of zeolite is because... (sit down for this...)

    Zeolite is a key component of the semi portable
    and larger "oxygen concentrators" which have been
    in pretty high demand because of Covid.

    (and my head hurts real hard when I read the descriptions
    of how it works, just like when I try visualizing how
    the gas flame refrigerators get that ammonia/water
    mix to cool down...)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeolite

    "oxygen concentrators". Damn!

    Thank you for the help!

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  • From Frank <"frank@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 8 10:44:55 2021
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 12/7/2021 11:32 PM, T wrote:
    On 12/7/21 19:17, danny burstein wrote:
    In <sop6v4$5jq$[email protected]> T <[email protected]d> writes:

    Hi All,

    https://www.amazon.com/ODORZOUT-Laundry-Additive-Powder-gallon/dp/B002YD7WIE


    Seems to be out of stock everywhere.

    And http://www.odorzout.com/ is missing in action.

    Anyone know of another source of zeolite for
    the wash?

    Can't help you with that, but I suspect the shortage
    of zeolite is because... (sit down for this...)

    Zeolite is a key component of the semi portable
    and larger "oxygen concentrators" which have been
    in pretty high demand because of Covid.

    (and my head hurts real hard when I read the descriptions
    of how it works, just like when I try visualizing how
    the gas flame refrigerators get that ammonia/water
    mix to cool down...)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeolite

    "oxygen concentrators".  Damn!

    Thank you for the help!

    It is interesting and I recall using one back in the lab for other gas separation. I see there are many with different molecular size and the
    laundry use is for removal of calcium and magnesium to soften the water.

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  • From dlzc@21:1/5 to danny burstein on Thu Dec 9 09:31:07 2021
    Dear danny burstein:

    On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 8:17:16 PM UTC-7, danny burstein wrote:
    ...
    Zeolite is a key component of the semi portable
    and larger "oxygen concentrators" which have been
    in pretty high demand because of Covid.

    Probably not this issue. Probably shipping issues.

    Oxygen concentrator zeolite is a lithium compound adhered to stryofoam beads (since only the surface interactions are of interest).

    They use different zeolites for different processes. For example the zeolite that adsorbs fluoride ion is activated alumina. I cannot imagine they'd put "dirt", even "white dirt" in a detergent.

    The only reference when searching for an MSDS for OdorZOut I found called it chlorine dioxide... which is a STRONG bleach. Definitely not a "zeolite". But probably not the right stuff.

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to dlzc on Fri Dec 10 09:14:27 2021
    On 09/12/2021 17:31, dlzc wrote:
    Dear danny burstein:

    On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 8:17:16 PM UTC-7, danny burstein wrote:
    ...
    Zeolite is a key component of the semi portable
    and larger "oxygen concentrators" which have been
    in pretty high demand because of Covid.

    Probably not this issue. Probably shipping issues.

    Oxygen concentrator zeolite is a lithium compound adhered to stryofoam beads (since only the surface interactions are of interest).

    They use different zeolites for different processes. For example the zeolite that adsorbs fluoride ion is activated alumina. I cannot imagine they'd put "dirt", even "white dirt" in a detergent.

    The only reference when searching for an MSDS for OdorZOut I found called it chlorine dioxide... which is a STRONG bleach. Definitely not a "zeolite". But probably not the right stuff.

    Website and other anti-chemical tin foil hat sites describe it as a
    natural zeolite powder (and discontinued). The MSDS says complex mixture including sodium bicarbonate, cellulose, fragrance and IPA unlikely to
    do harm.

    http://www.chemicalknowhow.com/sds/OdorOut_SDS.pdf

    Perhaps not quite as benign as they claimed.

    However, it is lacking the Z here. Looks to me like an expensive way for
    the chemophobics to buy crushed rock mixed with 1% bicarbonate of soda.
    I'm suspicious of "brands" that don't have a manufacturer's name on.

    https://www.biconet.com/home/odorzOut.html

    If you don't mind the bleaching effect chlorine dioxide is most easily
    produced in situ with hydrochloric acid (aka brick acid) and hydrogen
    peroxide. It is a powerful oxidising agent. Do not breathe the fumes.

    Quite a dangerous combination at etch strength that should never be
    stored and used immediately after mixing in dilute solution. Never
    really considered it as a cleaning oxidiser as such. I suspect on
    laundry it may have deleterious effects on both dyes and fabrics.

    One of the cleaner copper etch chemistries but don't breathe the fumes.
    Much less messy to use than ferric chloride.

    Permanganates and perborates are other powerful oxidisers that various
    washing powders have been known to use. ISTR there was a bit of a
    scandal when someone broke the permanganate embargo and it destroyed
    cotton undergarments in no time flat. 1930's technology but it occurred
    a couple of decades ago if memory serves. US NBS on bleaching 1930's.

    <https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DGYwyMgN2fMC&pg=PA22&lpg=PA22&dq=permanganate+washing+powder+damage+smalls&source=bl&ots=j_snDsPmi0&sig=ACfU3U1H0KKy3n_r02e4Mca54b8dPTkHYA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi_7Ny68dj0AhXRSsAKHX4FAJ0Q6AF6BAglEAM>

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    Martin Brown

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