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  • Mercury overtake Mars

    From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 27 08:32:35 2023
    https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

    That is an infrequent observation where the faster-moving Mercury overtakes the slower-moving Mars behind the Sun, as seen from a moving Earth. Just scroll the dates forward to make sense of the time lapse-

    https://www.theplanetstoday.com/

    Conjunctions can be line-of-sight observations; however, these types of observations, interpretations and conclusions are far more satisfying within a heliostatic framework.

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  • From W@21:1/5 to Gerald Kelleher on Sun Oct 29 02:43:41 2023
    On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 11:32:38 AM UTC-4, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
    https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

    That is an infrequent observation where the faster-moving Mercury overtakes the slower-moving Mars behind the Sun, as seen from a moving Earth. Just scroll the dates forward to make sense of the time lapse-

    https://www.theplanetstoday.com/

    Conjunctions can be line-of-sight observations; however, these types of observations, interpretations and conclusions are far more satisfying within a heliostatic framework.
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    Mercury has not "overtaken" Mars. The two planets are tens of millions of miles apart.

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  • From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 29 11:53:15 2023
    On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 9:43:43 AM UTC, W wrote:
    On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 11:32:38 AM UTC-4, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
    https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

    That is an infrequent observation where the faster-moving Mercury overtakes the slower-moving Mars behind the Sun, as seen from a moving Earth. Just scroll the dates forward to make sense of the time lapse-

    https://www.theplanetstoday.com/

    Conjunctions can be line-of-sight observations; however, these types of observations, interpretations and conclusions are far more satisfying within a heliostatic framework.
    ---

    Mercury has not "overtaken" Mars. The two planets are tens of millions of miles apart.

    Mercury overtakes Mars with the Sun central to those motions.

    https://www.theplanetstoday.com/the_planets.html

    https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

    Earth overtakes Jupiter presently

    https://www.theplanetstoday.com/

    https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

    You are better at reacting to the other contributors at the same standard as you are.

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  • From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 29 11:48:04 2023
    https://www.theplanetstoday.com/the_planets.html

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Oct 30 08:09:41 2023
    On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:32:35 -0700 (PDT), Gerald Kelleher <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

    That is an infrequent observation where the faster-moving Mercury overtakes the slower-moving Mars behind the Sun, as seen from a moving Earth. Just scroll the dates forward to make sense of the time lapse-

    https://www.theplanetstoday.com/

    Conjunctions can be line-of-sight observations; however, these types of observations, interpretations and conclusions are far more satisfying within a heliostatic framework.

    This is an astronomy forum, not an astrology one.

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  • From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Mon Oct 30 09:13:17 2023
    On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 2:09:50 PM UTC, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:32:35 -0700 (PDT), Gerald Kelleher <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

    That is an infrequent observation where the faster-moving Mercury overtakes the slower-moving Mars behind the Sun, as seen from a moving Earth. Just scroll the dates forward to make sense of the time lapse-

    https://www.theplanetstoday.com/

    Conjunctions can be line-of-sight observations; however, these types of observations, interpretations and conclusions are far more satisfying within a heliostatic framework.
    This is an astronomy forum, not an astrology one.

    It is now just as easy to understand the motions of Venus and Mercury as they run back and forth around our parent star as it was to appreciate Jupiter's Moons doing the same around their parent planet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uCtot1aDg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcrBAuLBXag

    There are, of course, many adjustments and enjoyable issues dividing the two sequences of time-lapse; however, there is nothing overly complicated for reasonable people.

    The major innovation is accounting for the orbital motion of the Earth using the change in the position of the stars annually from left to right of the central Sun. On the surface of a rotating Earth, we see this as the change in the position of the
    stars from an evening to morning appearance. Mercury is presently moving to an evening appearance, while Mars is moving to a dawn appearance using this observation, interpretation, and conclusion.

    You, like the other contributor, don't feel the slightest embarrassment, as is common among those who have no feel for solar system research. That being said here, the issue is pressing because of the limited operational span of the tracking satellite,
    so others may inform you as to why the innovation is so productive and creative.

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  • From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 31 03:48:09 2023
    The 'theplanetstoday 'website is so much easier to interpret the relative positions of the planets to the central Sun, so objections to it as an astrological website never mattered to me. Other websites are just as good but more cluttered for the purpose
    of interpretation-

    https://theskylive.com/3dsolarsystem?objs=12p|c2023h2|c2023p1&date=2023-10-31&h=10&m=37&

    https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

    There is immense satisfaction, as would be expected, in the ability to join the original perspective of the slower-moving planets in terms of direct/retrograde motions with the new perspective of the faster-moving planets seen from Earth, something the
    original heliostatic astronomers could not do.

    "Now what is said here of Jupiter is to be understood of Saturn and Mars also. In Saturn, these retrogressions are somewhat more frequent than in Jupiter, because its motion is slower than Jupiter's, so the Earth overtakes it in a shorter time. In Mars,
    they are rarer, its motion being faster than that of Jupiter, so that the Earth spends more time catching up with it. Next, as to Venus and Mercury, whose circles are included within that of the Earth, stoppings and retrograde motions appear in them also,
    due not to any motion that really exists in them, but to the annual motion of the Earth." Galileo

    This is an astronomy forum, indeed.







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